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Subject: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mossback Date: 18 Nov 19 - 06:00 PM WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced Monday that the U.S. is softening its position on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, the latest in a series of Trump administration moves that weaken Palestinian claims to statehood. Pompeo repudiated a 1978 State Department legal opinion that held that civilian settlements in the occupied territories are “inconsistent with international law.” The move angered Palestinians and immediately put the U.S. at odds with other nations working to end the conflict. First, Trump pardons convicted war criminals. Then,the Trump Cult ignores international law. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Make AmeriKKKa anathema again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Nov 19 - 06:07 PM There are so many things he's doing that need to be undone asap after he is impeached and removed or unelected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Nov 19 - 06:32 PM Time Magazine reports that Israeli authorities and settlers have uprooted over 800,000 Palestinian olive trees since 1967. These ancient trees are a very significant source of income for Palestinian farmers. Here's another article about Israeli destruction of Palestinian olive trees: The Jordan River Valley is a rich, beautiful agricultural area, colorful with orange, banana, and olive trees and other crops. As the Time Magazine article says, "Days after Benjamin Netanyahu’s campaign promise on September 10 to formally annex the Jordan Valley, the Israeli Civil Administration (ICA) issued an order to uproot hundreds of olive trees owned by Palestinians in the valley right before a planned harvest." The territory all around the city of Jerusalem is Palestinian. All along the highway circling Jerusalem, there are four-lane roads leading off to lavish condominium developments, each with very obvious military protection and marked by a huge Israeli flag. These are the "settlements" that now ring Jerusalem. They are obscene. Oh, and Netanyahu wants to build a high-speed railroad spur under the Old City of Jerusalem to a station he wants to call "Trump Station." -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mossback Date: 18 Nov 19 - 06:44 PM There are so many things he's doing that need to be undone asap after he is impeached and removed or unelected. Unfortunately, impeaching/removing Trump won't amount to diddly whilst 40% plus or minus of the U.S. electorate - the Trump Cult- thinks he's the messiah. Be afraid, be very afraid................ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 18 Nov 19 - 06:59 PM There are no illegal settlements - unless of course one assumes that Jews should not own property or build in those areas because they are Jews. Every current Jewish "settlement" is on land owned by Jews before 1948 or purchased after 1967. Settlements that tried to set up on land that was not Jewish owned have been dismantled. We continue to hear the term "illegal", but "legal and illegal" has to be more that political desires and interests. It has to refer to law. And, frankly, law established during the illegal Jordanian occupation of the area in which Jewish property was confiscated and retitled, and current PA regulations that ban sales or ownership of property by Jews is not valid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Nov 19 - 07:09 PM Unfortunately, the pro-Israel lobby in the US (with its little satellites in many other nations) will ensure that there will be no going back, and the US will always ensure that the UN stays toothless. Let's face it, we weren't doing very well at ensuring that Palestinian rights are respected and that they will be treated with justice. This move is a devastating backward step and will likely have repercussions way beyond the Middle East. We've done this to death, frankly, and a likely onslaught of troll posts will see the thread off. Let's make our point with some dignity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: robomatic Date: 18 Nov 19 - 07:13 PM I'm not going to get into this any more than to observe: 1) Olive trees are of great importance to peoples of the Mediterranean. They take years to reach maturity and are both a fact of economic life and symbol of a kind of life and heritage. 2) Peace is of greater importance because it leads to the above symbols and elements of stable economic life. 3) There are 'rogue nations' and rogue governments and nationalities abounding in that part of the world. 4) If you want to play favorites going in to these arguments, then you may probably have already digested the facts you chose to input. You are unlikely to influence those on a diet of alternative facts. But, getting around to the O.P. I think it is worth noting that anybody who trusts or depends on Trump and his ilk gets disappointed. ANYONE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 18 Nov 19 - 07:16 PM If you are going to talk about settlements and international law, you should know how the law has treated them - internationally. Here are sixty pages of help. Journal of Legal Analysis, Volume 9, Issue 2, Winter 2017, Pages 285–350 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Nov 19 - 08:32 PM And there's hardly a mention of Israel in the document. I suppose posting the link was some kind of attempt to invoke whataboutery. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 19 - 08:53 AM On the other hand Trump's White Sumpremacy Nazi support via Steve 'Himler' Miller should be no friend of Isreal. Over 900 Miller e mails to brietbart confirms his pro Nazi support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Jack Campin Date: 19 Nov 19 - 09:55 AM Removing Trump doesn't mean beans when all the other likely contenders for the Presidency are singing from the Zionist hymnsheet. Netanyahu can just rename his station after Elizabeth Warren. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 19 Nov 19 - 01:10 PM Spot on, Jack. I share your pessimism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Jim Carroll Date: 19 Nov 19 - 01:24 PM "There are no illegal settlements " Of course there are - exiled Palestinians now make up the largest number of refugees who can't return home If refusing the right of a coquered nation to be Expelled most of Germany and her allies would be speaking with Cockney accents The only reason reason the Israeli regime isn't banged up for Craimes against Humanity is the large number of American vetoes that have prevented them being charged Israel is a terrorist state protecting itself by screaming "antisemitism" every time soemone criticises it - Jewish Criticas are relagated top being "self-hating" or "non Jews" ISRAELI ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS US SUPPORTING ISRAELI ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS UN SECURITY COUNCIL 2016 No illegal settlements my arseum Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 19 Nov 19 - 02:51 PM Let a legal scholar and professor of law, who is an expert on jurisdictional law, explain how international law supports Israel's claim to the territory it was in possession of under the Mandate for Palestine in 1948 and why the "settlements" in Judea and Samaria are not illegal under international law. Eugene Kontorovich: Jewish Settlements & International Law |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Jim Carroll Date: 19 Nov 19 - 03:00 PM "Born in Kiev, Ukraine, Kontorovich moved to the US with his parents at the age of three. He immigrated to Israel in 2013 with his wife and four children, and lived in the Alon Shvut settlement.[10]" What else is a settler going to say Bobad, "please throw me out" maybe HOW WOULD A HORSE'S MOUTH CONFESSION SUIT YOU ? Jim carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 19 Nov 19 - 04:39 PM His legal opinions are based on law not on his ethnicity, trying to discredit him based on his ethnicity is racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mossback Date: 19 Nov 19 - 05:49 PM Debating a Scientologist or a Trump Cultist or a Bibi Worshiper is a fools errand. Reality need not apply. And now, back to our regularly scheduled program. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 19 Nov 19 - 06:31 PM So Greg, give us your best legal arguments against the points of international law that Professor Kontorovich deploys in support of his professional opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mossback Date: 19 Nov 19 - 06:39 PM Sorry, Boo - life's too short to waste time on the fact-and-reality averse. Good night, Mr. Calabash |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 19 Nov 19 - 06:48 PM Could be a good time to bring in morality rather than "international law..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: bobad Date: 19 Nov 19 - 07:09 PM The issue under discussion is the legality of settlements under international law. If you want to divert it to the question of morality I suggest you start your own thread as that is an entirely separate issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 19 Nov 19 - 07:36 PM The issue under discussion is not for you to determine. The thread title is Rogue Nation. You do not get to divert it to your particular obsession. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Jim Carroll Date: 20 Nov 19 - 12:07 PM "trying to discredit him based on his ethnicity is racist." No it isn't - his situation as an illegal settler has to be taken into everything he says on the subject Any lawyer in that situation would have to recuse himself on the basis fo self-interest What is antisemitic is linking the terrorist behaviour of the State of Israel with The Jewish People as a whole - that has been your position since we first met here (Im sure you don't want reminding about your drawing on some of the worst racist sites on the internet to denigrate the Arab people) Never accuse anybody of being "a racist" from your position Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Donuel Date: 20 Nov 19 - 01:46 PM Perhaps my perspective is over the top but I find the entire subject of racism should be called tribalism. Even native American Algonquins were immigrants. Everyone calling each other racists or not is so last century, fugetaboutit. We know better now that we don't even know who the 'originals' were except for 3 handfulls from the African continent and a few pockets of similar species around the globe. Racism is a delusion and should be delegated to the trash heap of history. Me and them is tribalism which is similar but does not legitimize the fear as the word racism has. Meanwhile by carrying on your spat, you perpetualize racism in a perverse time honored manner. Tribalism is man made hate which exists in a world of limited resources/greed and is more transparent in its stupidity than an ill defined racism. You are all tribalists but only a few are historic full blown racists |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mr Red Date: 20 Nov 19 - 04:58 PM Make AmeriKKKa anathema again. is it: Making America grate again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Donuel Date: 20 Nov 19 - 05:23 PM old hat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Steve Shaw Date: 20 Nov 19 - 05:51 PM At least he tries to be funny. You should try it some time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rogue Nation From: Mrrzy Date: 20 Nov 19 - 08:10 PM Racism, like sexism, is a subset of tribalism, surely? |
