BS: Whose thread is it then

Subject: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:25 PM

I was browsing old threads and came across the sort of comment that crops up now and then.
"Please stick to (dances) not (history)"
Or "the song I asked about" not "some other song you are reminded of"
etc.

I always find the twists and turns of the musical conversation one of the valuable things about Mudcat.
But am I wrong, does the thread 'belong' to the person who stared it?

Though obviously it is frustrating when sensible thread degenerate into name-calling and repetition.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:31 PM

This is an open forum (within limits) -- a conversation. Conversations go every which way. Of course, if you're discussing the origin of "fa la la" in Maltese folk music, political commentary is not appropriate except as it may pertain. However, folk music/song/lore has a reach so wide you can't be certain what is or is not germane. Nonetheless, we could at least stop insulting each other and try to be civil.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 20 - 05:41 PM

As far as I'm concerned, if I launch a thread (not very common), I love to see it take wings and fly wherever it wants to. Thread drift is one of the beautiful things about these forums.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 12:35 AM

Why are people so selfish...!!!???

Always starting threads that don't matter to me.
They should remember I am superior to everybody else
and want to dominate the debate
by shifting all threads asap to my far more important obsessions...





..oops.. just woke up very confused from a nap
thinking I was someone else...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:00 AM

I've always thought that threads were property of the community.
No?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:09 AM

+1 to all of the above. How often, in real-world conversations, do we reach a point where we look quizzically at others taking part and say, “How did we get on to {insert totally unrelated subject here}?

It’s the nature of conversation - perfectly normal.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Iains
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:20 AM

There is a natural thread drift as other peripheral topics are introduced and "explored" and there is deliberate thread drift to destroy the thread.(weeds wine and walkabouts spring to mind)
If the path the thread is taking does not suit I do not think that gives any individual the right to frustrate it. There is no exterior compulsion to contribute
There are a small number who post who seem to think:
they set the agenda
they control the output
that no one should dispute their opinions
that sole right to censorship should be with them
seek every avenuue to demean opposing views.
They know who they are!

Their behaviour drives many away.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 02:40 AM

Threads belong to anyone...???

well.. they can often become 'owned' by mods on a deleting spree...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 03:08 AM

Well, here's one mod who believes his delete button should be used sparingly. I'd rather close threads that get out of hand and leave the offending messages to prove the need for closure.
Others disagree.
Joe

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 03:57 AM

Having spent most of my working life in a classroom, I view a domineering thread-grabber as an overly strict teacher.
"I am in charge here. I will speak and do most of the talking, you will listen. Do not dare to contradict me! If you are cheeky I'll send you to the Head (Mod) Answer my question and do not digress!"

I adore it when a thread meanders and drifts. (I'm one of the chief offenders, I know) It's as if a group of people are in a pub or at a party, having an interesting discussion. Each has their own ideas and interests. A word can trigger a new thought. So natural.

I also like it when the contributors have a sense of humour. My husband sometimes looks at me in astonishment as I shriek with laughter at my laptop. Then I explain it and he roars too. Lovely.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 05:55 AM

Sen, I think you should be the arch-mod here, authorised to summarily smack the botties of transgressors, preferably with birch...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:04 AM

Oooooh Steve! What a temptation! (I just nearly spilt my tea and had to explain to husband. He says I'm the one needing a good smacked bottom!
He's now on the naughty step, and you'll be joining him very soon!)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:24 AM

ROTFL! You’re a very naughty girl! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:38 AM

(Best Terry Jones female impersonator voice)

She's not the Moderator. She's a very naughty girl

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:39 AM

I guess the answer to the question in the thread title is "the corporal punishment fetishists". :^)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 07:40 AM

IMNSHO a thread has an original poster, who may have had an original question, and who is free to redirect to that question when the thread drifts. However, the thread does not "belong" to anyone, and being rude about redirection, well, is rude.

It's kinda like a gift - you can't really control what people do with it, but unlike a gift, you can at least ask them what they're doing with it...

A little more like a child - you can rear one as best you can but then they do grow up and take on a life of their own. But as their parent, you do have the right to attempt to redirect them.

Wait, is this a projective test?

Are they all? Threads, I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 08:05 AM

Projective test? You'll have to explain that to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 10:04 AM

old men with personal grudges following each other from thread to thread
squabbling for the sake of it..

Taking over and disrupting any thread they infest, as their own personal battle grounds...

This reminds me why I'd rather die at home alone
than end up in an old folkies care home...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 11:03 AM

”old men with personal grudges following each other from thread to thread
squabbling for the sake of it..

Taking over and disrupting any thread they infest, as their own personal battle grounds...”

It’s high time the daft old buggers realised that it’s not compulsory to follow each other around, or even to respond when their nemeses post. The forum would be a much nicer place if they would desist.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 11:08 AM

Nemeses? Wasn't he a Pharoah?

Talking of thread drift...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 11:19 AM

:-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 01:30 PM

I've always thought that threads were property of the community. - Yes.

and another property of the community is vituperation. There is something unhinged about people who disagree with a post that posits a concept they disagree with and in response attack the person not the argument.

Are they insecure? Probably.
Is their tenet weak? Obviously if they feel it needs the addition of bravado.
Can't they read properly? Probably not. Opting for reaction, rather than consideration.
Are they happy being nice to others? Doubtful.
Should we pity their hollow lives? Are they worth it?

So full circle: "no we don't own the thread", even when it unravels. But that doesn't stop us feeling a twinge of regret that the question hasn't been answered sufficiently.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 04:10 PM

I just saw a post on FB about a farm in the Carolinas that wants volunteers to come and cuddle its piglets. They do look very cute.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 04:16 PM

An example of a projective test is the Rorschach - there is a random ink blot, so what you see comes from you (is projected onto the blot) and not from the blot.

So those ideas about gifts and kids, for instance, were on my mind in a way, or my mind might not have brought them up for me in this instance, as they did not come from the thread, kinda thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 04:38 PM

Somehow, Jack, I can't picture you cuddling Carolina piglets....

You've been very generous and welcoming to me, and you're a pleasure to talk with in person, but somehow I can't see you cuddling piggies.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 05:16 PM

Well I can. I used to be a regular visitor to Gorgie City Farm. Though they were behind fences and you could only scratch their ears and rub their noses.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 05:22 PM

Just check that they're actual piglets and not bats, Jack... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 05:35 PM

Ooh I just love pigs and piglets! When I was a girl we lived quite near Dalton's farm where they had several sows and their piggies. A small gang of us haunted that place, playing with the piglets and giving the sows treats. We even managed to ride on the backs of one or two of the more sedate pigs. (Never went near the boar though - he was an aggressive thing)
Thread drift - sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:02 PM

When I was a little boy, I've vague memories my uncle took me piglet rustling...???

I think I kept lookout perched high on his van's back doors
while he bundled in sacks of piglets.
Then I had to sit on them to keep 'em still and quiet
while he drove off..

There may have been a more innocent explanation, now lost in time..

It was great fun though...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:34 PM

Ooh I just love pigs and piglets!

So do I .... very tasty!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:46 PM

mmmmmm. Bacon!

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 20 - 06:55 PM

Bacon's older pigs, Joe...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 04:53 AM

We're talking of pigs and piglets here, Steve, so there should be plenty of bacon for Joe to enjoy.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 05:22 AM

I'm sorry to say my Muslim husband adores bacon. (Oh dear! Don't tell the Imam)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 05:24 AM

He sounds like my kinda guy, Sen! You’re a lucky chick!

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 06:17 AM

I agree with you Backwoodsman, he's a real treasure. Makes me giggle and keeps me sane.
(Haha, we've digressed to husbands and pigs! Quite some thread drift eh?)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 07:15 AM

Yeah! Whose thread is it anyway?? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 09:44 AM

Kunekune pigs are rather sweet. I've only seen them once, in New Zealand.

https://www.thesprucepets.com/kunekune-1239251

Since they descended from Captain Cook's pigs 250 years ago, and look nothing like any British pig now, they seem to have evolved faster than folksongs.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 10:14 AM

"squabbling for the sake of it.."
"So full circle: "no we don't own the thread", even when it unravels. But that doesn't stop us feeling a twinge of regret that the question hasn't been answered sufficiently."

Some threads do unravel into tit-for-tat 'he said' 'but you said'.
Others explore sidelights on the question hat the questioner didn't want to know about (but might be interesting to others), other songs that have similar words to the lyric required.

Now back to pigs. Our local Ice Cream Farm (which has turned itself into a mini theme park) has Kunekune pigs on display.
I've always liked pigs, Carolina is a bit far though.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 10:23 AM

Back about 15 to 20 years ago me and the mrs stayed in a farm bed and breakfast in Wales..
One of the selling point amenities was an opportunity to play with
and cuddle tiny piglets before or after settling down
to to a farm produced bacon breakfast...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 04 Feb 20 - 10:24 AM

I also used to go to Gorgie City Farm in Edinburgh, which Jack mentioned: one of my friends, Betty, used to have long and articulate conversations with a very large turkey there: no squabbling, just plenty of gobbling!

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:21 AM

Whisps of snow 6 ft deep.

Oh sorry, thread drift..............

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:29 AM

Thread drift?

Would that be needle point or cross stitch?

Or both with some of this parish.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 06:02 AM

Well this thread has drifted nicely, thank you.
But how can snow 6' deep be described as 'wisps'?

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 06:26 AM

Or even whisps

Someone can't spell, is it you or me?

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 05:03 PM

It's Merriam Webster

Definition of whisp

variant of wisp:1

& FWIW when the wind blows all night, those whisps can fill a road.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Feb 20 - 09:45 PM

If you read the terms of agreement, you know mudcat.org has ownership up to and including sale of data.

The compendium of historical folk music alone has immense value.
Profit seems not to be the basis of its inception or continuation.

I do not suspect Joe of embezelment or secret sales. ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 02:54 AM

One man's embroidery is the other man's petit point.

I could have - mentioned pulled threads, then it is nobody's thread

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 06:33 AM

A thread about "Pulling"...???

oh.. wrong forum...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 08:16 AM

possible MOAB parody post
Simon&Schuster offering 1 billion for mudcat.org

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 10:45 AM

..and how do we get our heads around 'ownership' of threads which suddenly disappear
as we are typing posts to them...???

Entire threads on serious topics unexpectedly deleted as if they never existed...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Iains
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:22 AM

It had not even had a chance to find it's way to the argument room.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:29 AM

Whatever the reason given, it could [emphasis on 'could'..]
have served as a useful thread to cross UK party divisions
and unify folks
in some positive form of common consensus working agreement..

well.. could have...

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:41 AM

So discuss it in the UK Politics thread. Bring some consensus there.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:47 AM

so how about porting in the content of the banished thread,
thanks..

Sen is a calming influence, though we understand if she doesn't
feel like joining in the big old bruising UK politics thread..

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 03:34 AM

It is nobody's thread when it is a tapestry of lies.
But it is somebody's when it is about "Cotton-eye Joe".

where does bobbin' & weaving come in?

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 03:37 AM

cotton eye joe or holy joe or joe soap

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mo the caller
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 07:23 AM

cotton eye. needle eye. thread the needle. and now we're dancing.

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 01:36 PM

Skip to the Lew my darlin

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 08:25 AM

No more allusions looming, or none that also carry a serious message.

Darn it.

thinks - where would "patching it up" come in?

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 06:15 PM

Ever feel you've been stitched up? That's crewel!

Subject: RE: BS: Whose thread is it then
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 06:03 AM

Never heard of crewel,
What about Corded Quilting? Which my mother referred to as Italian Quilting possibly because Provençal Quilts was known in Sicily as Trapunto

As a Singer, maybe I should have just opted for over-locking.