BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)

Subject: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 09:30 PM

It's just fine if this post/thread catches flak for
a story that is nearly one month old.
I was simply surprised that there was no thread relevant to the story
when it happened in January.

The interview that is the source of the
'this is abnormal' quote
was done in support of the Hulu network documentary,
to reiterate, in January 2020.
I did not watch the television series.
For those of you who watched the multi-episode documentary,
nothing in this interview will be new.
The interview had value to me because it saved me watching the television show.

The gloves-off remarks about Bernie Sanders gave me reason to stop and think -- hard.
Here's a link to the interview.

interview with Hillary Clinton, January 21, 2020

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: mg
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 10:28 PM

if there is anyone who gives me the heebie jeebies in politics, that is her. A visceral personal reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Feb 20 - 11:14 PM

I think you're too susceptible to the propaganda from both sides, mg. If you listen to Hillary, she makes sense.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 03:45 AM

If you listen to Hillary, she makes sense.
Do you tell that to the marines, or deplorables?

November 3, 2020 will tell it the way it is!

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 09:42 AM

Poor losers all around. Trump can't get over that Hillary won the popular vote. The GOP Senate -1 may be afraid of Trump, but voters aren't.

Burstein has made peace with the inevitable flak it will catch from Clinton detractors who'll take issue with the doc's lack of conservative voices (save former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist). It's not, she and her producers insist, for lack of trying. Instead, they got one no after the next. "We were shocked," says Owens, who blames a toxic, polarized political culture for the near shutout. At one point, Burstein says, she managed to track down Newt Gingrich by cellphone, and was told he'd "rather stick needles in [his] eyes than do the interview."

While prominently featured, neither Lewinsky (who was contributing to an A&E docuseries on the subject at the time), Bernie Sanders nor Donald Trump was asked to participate. "I didn't want to re-litigate 2016," the director explains, "as much as just be able to show Hillary in this unobtrusive way." Forty-five others do, however, including her husband (who holds back tears as he, too, walks through the Lewinsky chapter) and daughter, childhood friends, aides and advisers, a litany of journalists and her onetime opponent turned boss, Barack Obama. "This is not an agenda piece," says Hulu's head of docs, Belisa Balaban. "It's an authored piece of work that looks at a very long slice of personal and political history."

Keberoxu, everyone is tired of this topic except those who want to keep fighting about anything.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 10:36 AM

Surely the poor losers are Democrats. Trump won the election lawfully in the US. Playing games with numbers( as many try to in the UK) cannot alter that fact. The Democrats threatened impeachment before Trump even took office and have been after him ever since. You and Pelosi are making yourselves a laughng stock around the world. Trump will win with even larger numbers come November and that will make your arguments even more ridiculous. You are attempting a coup and the deplorables will not permit it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: meself
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 11:19 AM

Gawd, man - have more self-respect than to parrot Fox News talking points - you're better than that. A "coup"?! Apart from that being a ludicrous abuse of the English language, the idea makes no sense whatsoever, as you well know: the Democrats are "attempting a coup" to replace trump with Mike Pence? I know you are capable of rational thought - you debase yourself spouting this nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 11:51 AM

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 01:56 PM

I guess it comes down to who has more credibility Pelosi or MITCH MCCONNELL.

If Trump is the devil incarnate you portray why is he going to be re elected with an even greater majority?

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 02:06 PM

Blessed are the rich for they shall inherit real estate.
Love those who are loyal and hate your enemies with a powerful vengence.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 02:13 PM

How others see you 7:44mins. into the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdeUlt0TJwg

Was pelosi ripping up the articles of impeachment?

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 03:48 PM

She was clearly making Trump sized toilet paper.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 04:24 PM

Scratchy, tho.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 04:53 PM

I used to think that most everybody was pretty good, but Donald Trump and his "deplorable" supporters have shaken that belief. I'm hoping that the reality is that Trump's support is ten percent, and the Vast Middle will go back to a more reasonable candidate.

But I've always thought that Hillary Clinton was quite good, very rational and balanced, and far more moral that her rather sleazy husband.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 05:24 PM

Joe, God listened to Trump at the prayer breakfast yesterday.
Perhaps the virus will now mutate to only take deplorables.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 05:48 PM

as I was saying:

The Bernie Sanders assessment was what made me stop and think,
as this is relevant to 2020 -- very relevant.

It is especially relevant to Massachusetts, of which I am amongst the voters.
I have been sitting back and listening/reading as the Massachusetts radio stations, newspapers, and weblogs pay attention to Bernie Sanders. I had a sense that a score was being kept.

Remember, only four years ago -- there are old Mudcat threads to prove it -- people were saying that there ought to be a Hillary/Bernie ticket?
So, now we know what Hillary REALLY thinks of Bernie Sanders.
And this made me consider how seriously Massachusetts, not to speak of other states hereabouts, takes its senators.

Elizabeth Warren, don't forget, is one of the MA senators.
The other one is Ed Markey. Ed Markey is not running for President.
Markey has been a US Senator for a short time, but then
he was a US Representative for multiple terms before being elected US Senator.
Markey, love him or hate him, is the real deal, Senator-wise.
He knows how to write laws -- some of his have become law.
He knows about his constituents and he knows about his peers,
and how to interact with each.

No, I'm not saying I want Ed Markey to be anything other than
US Senator for Massachusetts.

What I'm saying is, what if Hillary is right when she says of Sanders,
"Nobody likes him," meaning Sanders's peers in Congress.

Now, if Elizabeth Warren doesn't like Sanders, it's one thing.
One, she's a rival in the running for US President.
Two, she's a woman, and it seems to be one those nasty commonplaces
that Sanders can disrespect women and get away with it.

However:
if Ed Markey dislikes Bernie Sanders?
If Ed Markey's colleagues dislike Bernie Sanders that much?

It makes me feel sorry for Mr. Sanders, if that's the case,
and this is no time to be feeling sorry for him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 07:39 PM

I was listening to the wrap-up of the impeachment hearings on Wednesday and one of the commentators remarked that until Trump arrived the racist xenophobic population that supports him didn't have a voice. Now they're all over the place and energized. With any of the other candidates, or going back to previous GOP candidates Romney or McCain, they would have remained voiceless. McCain corrected followers who had racist things to say about Obama during his campaign.

A long time ago there were people who knew how smart Hillary is and who worried about a political career - and worked to slam her in the "vast right wing conspiracy" that she referred to. It was real. Richard Scaife and his horrible sister Cordeila were behind it. Those negative remarks will have been what MG heard and responded to - if you don't look beyond the propaganda you end up with the wrong information.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: vectis
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 07:44 PM

Saunders and Biden are far too old to be taking on a presidency. Surely, after four bloody years of the drump, the democrats could have found a decent middle aged candidate to run against him. I foresee another run for the tangerine tw*t and I am not sure that the USA will survive that unscathed.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 08:15 PM

We are scathed and scalded already.

I'm sure you can see;

Bernie is a flawed candidate to agists.
Pete is a flawed candidate to homophobes.
Eleanor is flawed to billionaires.

Bloomberg will pick up the pieces the others will drop.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And by the way, the Bloomberg people liked my idea of comedic political ads and is now running them. They are starting with cute and cuddlely anti Trump humor.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


The Clinton Sanders tiff is decades old. If it is news to you, better late than never.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 08:23 PM

A friend saw Hillary on the "ELLEN" show either yesterday or today. Said she did a good job for herself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: mg
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 08:51 PM

no. I will speak for myself. Thank you anyway. I have a gut feeling and that is about it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 09:08 PM

thats OK mg
Objectively Hillary is very talented but subjectively she became toxic via brainwashing the unwashed public.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 20 - 11:35 PM

Pretty much.

The candidates this time around know that anything they sling at each other could be ammunition for Trump, he will use it (and make up shit also). I didn't hear tonight's debate but understand that Klobuchar and Warren did very well for their respective positions. Whoever wins the nomination needs to know how to verbally take Trump off at the knees, to ignore some of his shit and denounce other parts of it. And if he lurks too close behind during the debates like he did to Hillary, turn around and tell him to back off. (I'd love to see him get a knee to the groin, but that won't happen on a debate stage.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 02:57 AM

If his opponent is a woman (or maybe even a gay man), Trump will try his creepy "hovering" act. It is intimidating and demeaning, but powerful if he's not forced to stop it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 08:20 AM

Trump will win with even larger numbers come November and that will make your arguments even more ridiculous.

Not because he is compelling, but because he has a divided opposition.
Like Brexshit, that augered for a Trump victory, so Corbyn's stance should warn the US. Trump may surprise again, by loosing, we are living in interesting times. All bets are off, or unwise at least.

Come back Obama, common sense and optimism is sorely needed again.

Be afraid America, be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 08:38 AM

I am assured Mr Trump will eventually blame the previous administration for the coming pandemic by tweet or speech. If most Americans believe him, I will be resigned that this country deserves decimation.

We will begin again with proof of the need for improved public education and the evils of the new Facebook religion.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 09:41 AM

You are too right, Donuel,
if the Clinton/Sanders discord has been established fact for years,
then I am out of touch as usual.

All these "opportunities for learning and growth" overwhelm one.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 09:56 AM

Context is everything. The Clinton remark about Bernie appears to have been many years ago, but dredged up recently. Care to guess who is stirring the pot?

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 10:00 AM

Hey, wait!   Years ago?

The interview in support of the Hulu network documentary
is a recent interview,
in which the interviewer asked if Clinton stood by that opinion now,
and Clinton was affirmative. And detailed and specific in her response,
about Sanders' disrespect of candidates who happen to be women.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 05:53 PM

I don't have Hulu, but have heard reviews of that documentary, where the history of the remark was featured. Bernie did have some trouble last year with complaints about how he ran previous campaigns in relation to how the women were treated.

Frankly, I think Biden and Sanders are too old to run and have reasonable expectations of full healthy terms. Warren is a few years younger than the other two, I think similar in age to Hillary (who would now be anticipating running for a second term if she had been inaugurated.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 20 - 06:17 PM

I thought it would be worthwhile to post an excerpt from the Hillary Clinton interview that keberoxu referred to in the first post:

When I lost, I was obviously stunned, disappointed, terribly upset. If I had lost to what I would call a "normal" Republican with whom I disagreed on many things, but who I thought cared about the country and put service over self, I would probably still speak out and say, "We don't agree about that." But this is abnormal, what we currently have. We should never allow it to be normalized. I thought for a brief moment between the election and the inauguration that he might be awed by the responsibility of the job, and really try to grow into it. As he had admitted, there were a lot of things he didn't know about the job. But then when he gave his inauguration [speech] and insisted on lying about the crowd size? I've been to every inauguration for 25 or so years; he did not have a very big crowd. And I said, "What's wrong with him? What's wrong with the people that he has around him who he's making go out on TV and say it was the biggest crowd?" It really bothered me because I thought, "That's delusional." It's one thing to have a set of policies that you disagree with, but to have someone following the kind of authoritarian playbook to disrupt reality, to try to force you to believe what he wants you to believe by distracting, diverting and continually lying? That's different. We haven't ever had to deal with that.

It's a new game under Trump, and it has completely befuddled the American political system. Before Trump, there was an element of truth and trust in American politics, even among opponents. Now it's all out the window, and we need to learn how to bring back the Old Rules. We certainly can't survive long under the New Rules Trump has set.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: khandu
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 10:23 AM

"It's a new game under Trump, and it has completely befuddled the American political system."
I agree with that statement, Joe. Then I believe the opposite of everything that followed.
I voted Trump in 2016. I proudly will do the same in 2000.
Yes, he is abnormal if you consider the insanity of the "Old Rules" normal.
The old rules have been counter productive for decades. A continuation of them will eventually strip or, at the least, severely limited every right the founding fathers spelled out in our constitution. The things written there are the real "Old Rules" that we should bring back.
It Trump the answer? I doubt it. But he has, at least temporarily, derailed the idiot train we've been riding too long.
So I strongly disagree with almost all of you who have posted on this thread. I will not debate any of you. I am not trying to change your view. You have stated your thoughts. I have stated mine.
khandu

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 11:38 AM

Well khandu, that screed is just about the equal to any of your hero Trump's demented lies and fact-free childish tirades.

I'd have to give you an "Excellent" rating for getting every single point you've made completely and utterly ass-backwards.

I will not debate you. I am not trying to change your mind. You can't cure stupid. You have stated your thoughts, I have stated mine.

Enjoy watching the country go to hell in a bucket.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 11:49 AM

I met a moustachioed, baseball cap-wearing old yank in Sicily last summer. He also told me that he and his wife had proudly voted Trump. They were by a country mile the two stupidest people I met all last year. I didn't debate them, mainly but not exclusively because I had to keep them away from an almost insanely-furious Scotsman who had also been listening to them.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 12:25 PM

The subject of this thread is Hillary vs Bernie. Let's get back to it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 01:23 PM

The trend of electing "Populist" (non-government-trained television celebrities) is happening in much of the world. It's damned scary. If people don't know how agencies work, how to write a bill, how to work the room and foster compromise, then government is not working. At least Hillary and Bernie both know how government works, likable or not. It shouldn't be a popularity contest, it should be an event in which intelligence matters, ability matters. Character matters.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 02:23 PM

This is abnormal?
It would be abnormal if FDR were running for his 22nd term.
In his time it was legal to serve multiple terms.
Of course mortality plays its independant role in history.
If there was a tweet order of succesion would we be looking at Kushner or Don Jr.?   

But enough hypotheticals.

In Bill Clinton's 1st term people thought it was abnormal to put Hillary in charge of revolutionizing Health Care. Marriage rights is greater than the Constitution??
The precedent was JFK hiring his brother as AG. Nepotisim was OK said JFK.
But marriage? A full blown war against Hillary began back then in earnest and went over the top. These days the war is a habit like a feud.
Now you know when it started.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 02:58 PM

FDR’s third-term election and the 22nd amendment

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 04:12 PM

It seems to me that the real power in the Republican Party is on the right, and the real power in the Democrats on the left. Both parties seem to be demanding strict adherence to their party line. But I think a lot of us are in the middle and don't find satisfying or realistic answers on either extreme. I like Sanders and Warren a lot, but I don't think their proposals are realistic. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are much closer to my ideal for a President, but Barack has done his time and Hillary is out of favor.
Is there a need for a Moderate Party in the United States? Is there such a thing in the multi-party atmosphere of the UK and other parliamentary national governments?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 04:23 PM

Joe you are 2 dimensional and see a 50 yard line that has been moved to the 10 yard line of the Right.

I see a dynamic pendulum that is about to swing back Left.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 04:44 PM

Its up to the Democrats to miss another 2 inch putt, and they know how to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 04:56 PM

I'm scratching my head as to why any of you yanks think that Bernie/Elizabeth are "extreme" and that you somehow need a new moderate middle. This side of the Big Non-muddy they would both be regarded as barely left of centre. They ARE your moderates.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 05:31 PM

And yes, I like the proposals of Sanders and Warren very much. They are what I would consider to be ideal. But I don't think they are politically feasible at this time - so to support them, is to end up with nothing (or with Trump).

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 05:39 PM

Like Steve said "they are moderates"
Joe you see a flat field with a 50 yard line that has been moved to the 10 yard line of the Right.

I see a dynamic pendulum that is about to swing back Left.
The Dems could still miss their putt.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 06:03 PM

Joe, you seem to have swallowed the ridiculous Trumpist canard hook, line, and sinker, that the Democratic Party is "The Radical Far Left" and that Sanders & his ilk are Communist Revolutionaries.

Do yourself a favor & review U.S. political history beginning with Reagan & down to the present day to give yourself a fair sense of proportion.

Said review wouldn't do the 40% of the U.S. population that are Trump Cultists, white supremacists and other species of moron any good, but I have higher hopes for you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 06:43 PM

Mossback; that is a reasonable but daunting request.

Afterall Joe thinks Lindberg was an American patriot.

Mossback whenever you refer to any right wing populist/asshole, I ask you use these special three little words after their name to describe them from now on
'on a stick'

let language paint pictures

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: khandu
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 07:33 PM

khandu on a stick. Yeah, that's a good one.
k

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 20 - 10:20 PM

Gee, some people sure are putting words in my mouth, and it tastes like bullshit. It certainly isn't fair play. Please respond to what I say, not to what your prejudices make you imagine I might say. I do think that if the Democrats go too far to the left and exclude the moderates, we're in for another four years of Trump. I'm scared of the damage than could be done in four more years of Trump. Obama didn't accomplish all we hoped he would do, but everything he did was good. Better that, than four years of Trump.

I said above that I like the vast majority of ideas that Sanders and Warren have proposed. I just don't think they can get them enacted, and then we're stuck with all the damage Trump has done to systems that have taken decades to build. The first matter of business, if Trump is defeated, is to undo the damage he did, especially to the environment and to immigrants.

-Joe-

P.S. Donuel, I think Lindbergh was a pretty good pilot, but not a political genius.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 03:18 AM

The Republicans have Trump, The Democrats infighting.
Hardly a recipe for success.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 05:28 AM

Well yes, some rose-tinted specs coming out re Obama. I'd also add that the one Big Thing he should have done, and he did have eight years, was to put right the injustices meted out over many decades to the Palestinians, and he didn't. The running sore that is at the root of so much that's wrong with the world. Like all your presidents, he was manacled to multinationals, the oil industry and the pro-Israel and gun lobbies. The best that can be said is that we over here felt just that bit safer under him and Bill Clinton than we did under Reagan, Bush Jr and the current clown. And I know that feelings aren't everything.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 10:35 AM

One person alone (seemingly) can't do it, though Trump is aiming at single-handedly getting everyone into a shooting war over there. The big money behind paying for elections comes from the general direction of pro-Israel and fundamental-Christian groups who will hear nothing of Israel being slapped down or restricted from misbehaving.

Hillary did a remarkable job as Secretary of State, and brokered many peace deals. This one was beyond everyone's reach, and I imagine it will take a while once Trump is ousted to get back to a point where the illegal settlements can finally be discussed rationally and those individuals evicted from Palestinian territory, that will then be returned to Palestinians.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 11:51 AM

During these past four years,
the "Me Too" / "Time's Up" causes have
made a lot of people look carefully
at respect or disrespect for women.

No, I am NOT saying that Bernie Sanders
is a predator ... not at all.
But the public gaze at the treatment of women
has a more glaring spotlight trained thereon.

Maybe Mr. Sanders is too old to change his ways,
that is true of many registered voters his age after all.
And so, as a candidate,
he may not be able to respond carefully and thoughtfully
to the concerns of
1)    candidates who happen to be women
2)    registered voters who happen to be women
3)    participants of any/no gender who want respect for all regardless of gender

so we will see how this plays out.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 04:16 PM

Anything that may represent support of republicans is promptly deleted.
How are you going to deal witth it when Trump is re elected?

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 05:06 PM

Honesty is the best policy here and elsewhere.
I had no reason to ever attempt to influence elections in your country.
Iains let me be the first to introduce you to the golden rule.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 09:42 PM

Somebody here is being bloody stupid. Not my gig, of course. Honestly, whoever you are, you really do have better things to do....

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Feb 20 - 11:33 PM

Well, I get upset by all the back-and-forth accusations here. In the end, I decided Elizabeth Warren is the best candidate. For a number of reasons, I've never donated to political candidates before. But this year, I sent off $100 to Elizabeth Warren. I hope she prevails.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 04:30 AM

I suppose what I'd say, is that if Senators Warren and Sanders propose their proposals in the Senate, I'll support them wholeheartedly. They have great ideas. If they hold those ideas as a platform as presidential candidates, I would be very much afraid of Trump winning. That's why I want a moderate Presidential candidate, and that's why I liked Obama so much. The alternative is Trump, and that scares me to death,
.
Joe

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 06:44 AM

I was hoping for a Warren VP candidate last time

Like Biden, I think she missed her ideal time

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 06:59 AM

I've disqualified Biden, Sanders and Warren from consideration due to age (think of the orange turd as a cautionary tale, although he's unqualified in so many other ways). Pete Buttigieg is the way forward for me. Though I believe in the liberal , people-oriented policies espoused by Sanders and Warren I'm not looking for an ideologue as president, I want someone who aspires to govern all the populace and not one who appeals to the basest instincts of about 40% of it, like the nitwit we have now.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:32 AM

I agree with that. The best chance of ousting Trump is to put up a young and dynamic candidate. You really do have to ditch people who look old and worn out, whether they are or not. This is serious.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:41 AM

Plus Bernie and Biden would be in their 80's before their first term was out and Warren in her mid-70's. We don't need to recreate the Politburo.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:46 AM

I love the humour there but somehow I can't laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:47 AM

maybe to keep from crying.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:05 AM

Actually I was being mostly serious, Steve. It goes beyond perceptions, who knows how any of us are going to be in our 80's, if we make it that far.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:43 AM

Were not going to get hard core hate votes for Trump anyway.
Pete is the only ENERGETIC nouvaux candidate but Bernie has a buzz
and a track record.

Depending on a mesmerizing speech like what Obama had at the Convention
Pete could overcome the predjudice of the older voters.

Its a good pick but too soon to be obvious.

WHO knows, things have been so unpredictably quantum.
Maybe Trump will have a 'stroke a dope' and seemingly comes back as an entirely changed man????

We need someone sober to get us home.

Someone electrifying is asking for pie in the sky.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:50 AM

Bernie's catch phrase:

"Not me, us"

I'd go with "RESPECT AGAIN" for the cross over vote

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:59 AM

Alfred E Neuman catch phrase:
Not me.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 09:13 AM

Wasn't Alfie famous for- "What, me worry?"?

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 11:50 AM

I'm making fun of Bernie's real slogan with 'not me'

Remember Hillary's real slogan 'Love trump's hate'

using your opponents name in your slogan is awful.

Negative statements are awful.

I can do a much better catch phrase job with the rules of hypnosis.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Feb 20 - 12:13 PM

Gotcha

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 12:03 AM

Donating to Pete

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 20 - 10:28 PM

Robo let the cat out of the bag that he supports a candidate that makes sense, has enhanced sensibility and respects the rule of law.
Most people support the most entertaining or someone most like themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:13 AM

It has been pointed out that most of the "far left" positions have been supported by various presidents for over a century. The Congress has moved Right, not necessarily the people.
When asked about the Affordable Care Act, many more people support it than support Obamacare. It's all in how you ask the question.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:59 AM

The ACA/Obamacare saved my bacon when I had to have a knee replacement in 2015.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 10:20 AM

And now, for something consequentially abnormal...

Max Boot, a conservative columnist for The Washington Post, on Wednesday described Donald Trump as “unchained and unhinged” as he analyzed the fallout from the president’s acquittal on impeachment charges.

Boot labeled Trump’s actions in the week since his acquittal ? including “seeking retribution against his real and perceived enemies” and “trying to protect Roger Stone for lying under oath” ? as “really banana republic stuff.”

“This is not normal,” warned Boot, who left the Republican Party in protest of Trump following the 2016 election.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/max-boot-donald-trump-unchained-unhinged_n_5e45098cc5b62b85f82ee524

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 11:43 AM

The judge doesn't have to follow the Justice Department recommendations (or the revised recommendations). Here's hoping she follows the original recommendation. What could possibly happen? (Trump-and-aneurysm is a combination that comes to mind.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 12:15 PM

"Look what that crazy democrat judge made me do, now I have to pardon Roger Stone"

Hitler's revenge or power consolidation was usually murder.
Trump's revenge and power consolidation is firing and attempted jailing

He is a kinder gentler Hitler

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:08 PM

Kinder? Perhaps in German, as he acts like a spoiled child.
Gentler? Certainly not to anyone who disagrees with him. He has not [at least to my knowledge] directly murdered anyone yet. I wonder ow many will die as the result of his planned changes to health care or his caging of children.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 05:36 PM

I thought of the german kinder. I should qualify that Hitler used bullets. Trump uses hate and spite. However he did inquire if shooting border immigrants in the legs was doable.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:26 PM

He is a kinder gentler Hitler

Give him a chance- he & Oberst-Gruppenführer Miller are just getting started.

He has not [at least to my knowledge] directly murdered anyone yet.

Well, there's Soleimani & the nine others killed with him...

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:39 PM

There was only one character witness to testify that Trump was an OK guy. It was Cy Lance AKA silence.

It was Bush 2 that had the motto of a kinder gentler conservative.

A kinder gentler Hitler - bumper sticker is stark but obvious

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 08:24 PM

"kinder gentler" comes from a Bush 1 speech.
Bush 2 was supposedly a "compassionate conservative".
If this keeps up I'm going to have to start charging you, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 09:08 PM

Calling Trump or anyone else in western democracies "Hitler" is a long way from being helpful.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 10:12 PM

Trump is his own brand of evil leader, his is a name that will be thrown at others in the future. That's what "Trump" is.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 12:09 PM

Differentiating Trump FROM Hitler is what A kinder gentler Hitler does.
Nor does it say Trump is the same or opposite but only different.

For example Atilla the Hun was not Julius Ceasar although they shared ideological goals.

Besides Steve the phrase shares an American candidate's motto unknown to you. It was GHW Bush not junior.
Be that as it may, a slab of lasagna sounds good right now.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 12:10 PM

Go Alec !

Alec Baldwin on Thursday took a swipe at Donald Trump and Senate Republicans:

You wonder how Hitler took control of a once great country. For those of you too young to recall the War or its aftermath, simply watch how this GOP-controlled Senate behaves. Their sniveling fealty and lack of courage. And you begin to get it.

It’s official. The current United States government is as lawless as the malignant dictatorships we’ve hated in our foreign policy since WWII

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-gop-hitler_n_5e465393c5b64d860fc897dd

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 02:56 PM

I think of the 4 freedoms FDR Offered to the world and how Trump treats those four freedoms. If you do not understand I am sure Mossback does.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 12:16 PM

reprise

Friends, catters and countrymen, lend me your eyes.
I come to speak of Trump, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Trump. The noble Schiff
Hath told you Trump abused power:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously Trump was impeached for it.
Here, under leadership of Pelosi and the rest–
For Nancy is an honourable woman;
So are they all, all honourable men–women
I come to speak of quid pro quo abuse.
Yes he was guilty and seldom faithful to the Constitution:
But Schiff says he abused power;
And Schiff is an honourable man.
Trump hath brought many captives to cages
Where Wall $ came from the general coffers:
Did this in Trump seem abusive?
When that the poor have cried, Trump cared less:
Abuse should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Pelosi says he was abusive and vengeful;
And Pelosi is an honourable woman.
You all did see that in the Congress
But here I am to speak of what I do know.
Many do love him , without cause.
O judgment! thou art aquitted by your cohorts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
The constitution technically allows him to abuse power.
Only you the people can give the final word and judgment.

Conservative think tanks have stratagized legalities
You have the power of creating new realities.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 10:48 PM

Dear old Abby Normal.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 11:16 PM

FDR's Four Freedoms are a good thing to bring up, Donuel. FDR proposed four fundamental freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of worship
• Freedom from want
• Freedom from fear

I wonder if Trump's followers are too far gone, or if they can buy into these.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 07:55 AM

FREEDOM OF SPEECH    unless beaten at Trump rally or tweeting by Prez
FREEDOM OF RELIGION unless there is a Muslim ban
FREEDOM OF WANT         if you are rich enough for tax free bracket
FREEDOM FROM FEAR    if you are loyal to Trump

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:00 AM

An abnormal release of convicted white collar criminals and con men have been pardoned by the Donald. Such as Blagojevich, Lex Luthor;
Bartolo
The 49ers won five Super Bowl championships in a 14-year span while Mr. DeBartolo was serving as the team’s principal owner. Although Mr. DeBartolo avoided prison time, he was fined $1 million and was suspended for a year by the N.F.L.

Ariel Friedler
Ariel Friedler, a technology entrepreneur, pleaded guilty in 2014 to conspiracy to access a protected computer without authorization and served two months in prison, according to a statement from the White House.

Mr. Friedler has since dedicated his life to promoting veterans issues and helping former prisoners re-enter society, the statement said.

COMMUTATION

Tynice Nichole Hall
Tynice Nichole Hall was sentenced in 2006 after she was convicted on various drug charges in Lubbock, Texas, according to the Justice Department. The evidence at trial showed that Ms. Hall’s residence was used as a stash house for drugs by her boyfriend, who was the main target of an investigation, according to court documents. The police found large quantities of crack and powder cocaine and loaded firearms in her apartment.

Ms. Hall has spent the last 14 years in prison, where she has participated in apprenticeships, completed coursework toward a college degree and led educational programs for other inmates, the White House statement said.

PARDON
Bernard B.
Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner, in 2014.Credit...Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call, via Associated Press
Ten years ago this month, Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner, was sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to eight felony charges, including tax fraud and lying to White House officials. Mr. Kerik, who was a close ally of former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, took responsibility for his actions.

Mr. Kerik’s rise to prominence dates to the 1993 campaign for mayor in New York City, when he served as Mr. Giuliani’s bodyguard and chauffeur. After the pardon was announced, Mr. Kerik expressed his gratitude to Mr. Trump on Twitter. “With the exception of the birth of my children,” he wrote, “today is one of the greatest days of my life.”

PARDON
Michael R. Milken

Michael R. Milken at the annual Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last year.
Michael R. Milken at the annual Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last year.Credit...Michael Kovac/Getty Images
Michael R. Milken was the billionaire “junk bond king” and a well-known financier on Wall Street in the 1980s. In 1990, he pleaded guilty to securities fraud and conspiracy charges and was sentenced to 10 years in prison, though his sentence was later reduced to two years. He also agreed to pay $600 million in fines and penalties. Mr. Milken was the inspiration for the Gordon Gekko character in the film “Wall Street.”

Among those arguing for Mr. Milken to be pardoned were Mr. Giuliani, who prosecuted Mr. Milken when he was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Since he was released from prison in 1993, Mr. Milken has striven to repair his reputation by creating the Milken Institute, a nonpartisan economic and public policy think tank.

COMMUTATION

Crystal Munoz
Crystal Munoz was found guilty in 2008 of conspiring to possess with intent to distribute marijuana, according to a petition filed by the Criminal Defense Clinic at the Texas A&M University School of Law. Ms. Munoz, who was sentenced to nearly two decades in prison, drew a map that her friends used in a large marijuana trafficking operation, according to Rolling Stone.

Over the past 12 years, Ms. Munoz has mentored people and volunteered with a hospice program while serving in prison, according to the White House statemen

COMMUTATION

Judith Negron
Judith Negron was sentenced to 35 years in prison in 2011 for her role in orchestrating a $205 million Medicare fraud scheme as the owner of a mental health care company in Miami. Ms. Negron has served eight years in prison, and her prison warden described her as a “model inmate,” according to the White House statement.

PARDON

Paul Pogue
In 2010, Paul Pogue, the founder and former chief executive of a large construction company in Texas, was sentenced to three years of probation and was ordered to pay $723,0000 in fines and restitution for filing false income tax statements, according to the McKinney Courier Gazette.

The White House applauded his charitable work in its statement on Tuesday. “Despite his conviction, Mr. Pogue never stopped his charitable work,” the statement said.

PARDON

David Safavian

David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, leaving U.S. District Court in Washington in 2006.
David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, leaving U.S. District Court in Washington in 2006.Credit...Charles Dharapak/Associated Press
David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, was sentenced to a year in prison in 2009 for covering up his ties to the lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Mr. Safavian, a former chief of staff at the General Services Administration, was convicted of obstruction of justice and making false statements.

“Having served time in prison and completed the process of rejoining society with a felony conviction, Mr. Safavian is uniquely positioned to identify problems with the criminal justice system and work to fix them,” the White House said in the statement.

PARDON

Angela Stanton etc.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:18 AM

Here's a link to one story of the orange turd's pardoning of sleaze-

The Daily Beast

This is serious, we've got to flush this turd while the rule of law still exists in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:49 AM

Of course to   put    the above couple of posts in their proper perspective we have   to   consider President Obama and executive clemency:
By the end of his second and final term on January 20, 2017, United States President Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant the executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"— to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1,715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges, and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs.

Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office.He also issued more commutations than the past 13 presidents combined.

As of February 18, 2020, Republican president Donald Trump has issued nineteen pardons and seven commutations.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:54 AM

It's not the quantity it's the (low) quality, guido jr.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 11:14 AM

Wait until after the election if you want to see even sleazier types get pardoned, win or lose (hopefully the latter for the sake of human decency) President Shitbag is going to going spring, Manafort, Stone, Flynn and any other creep that's he's wagged a pardon in front of in return for their silence.
He's not just running for the presidency he's trying to stay out of jail in New York where his personal attorney is doing time for a crime in which the orange turd has been named a co-conspirator. They won't show him any mercy up there so look for him to try to give himself a blanket pardon, something he's already contemplated, before he slithers out of the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 11:25 AM

Michael Bloomberg put Bernie Sanders in his place
at last night's Las Vegas debate.
Could be ... interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 12:53 PM


Michael Bloomberg put Bernie Sanders in his place

You've got that precisely backwards. And with crooke,d foul-mouthed privatise public education, anti-union, anti ACLU, stop-and-frisk oligarch Bloomberg, we might just as well have four more years of Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 12:59 PM

Bloomberg resembles Trump more than he resembles Sanders for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 01:11 PM

Yep, America,where any arrogant racist billionaire schmuck who won't release their tax returns can grow up to buy the presidency.
I must have watched a different debate because Bloomberg absorped numerous rhetorical gut punches and Sanders was unphased by the Bloomberg remark, fhe one I assume you're alluding to, that he's heard many times before.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 02:06 PM

Why Trump may have won was because people wanted a big change.
We tried an all hat no cowboy, a black man and now a child.
Lets try a kevetching Jew who knows what we want even if we can't afford it after Trump has doubled the debt?
Or our first woman President, I don't care.

It looks like China will not loan us money in the foreseeable future.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 05:16 AM

As Beethoven said, Oh man, help thyself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 04:55 PM

I think Bloomberg is a ringer, put in by the 1% to elbow Bernie out. He's just as deplorable as Trump himself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 05:17 PM

It looks like Bernie should pick Warren or Klobachar as VP and cruise to victory with Styer and Bloomberg $.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Feb 20 - 12:59 PM

Honestly, I think anything could happen in any sequence --
the whole situation is so unstable.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 20 - 03:33 PM

It's not unstable. It's just a process that we go through every four years.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (:#)
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 20 - 07:11 AM

Dick Van Dyke (92) endorses BERNIE. "Someone younger and honest like Bernie is a Great Choice."

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Feb 20 - 07:18 PM

Dick Van Dyke, eh?

chim chiminee chim chiminee
chim chim chereeee ...

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 07:13 AM

A woman, a socialist and a gay walk into a bar and immediatly are arrested. "Why?" they asked. Trump said "It's my Barr".

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 20 - 07:27 AM

5 years ago Trump was not a Republican, some say he still isn't. Sanders is not a democrat.
the game is afoot

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 28 Feb 20 - 10:34 AM

I saw an article yesterday that it both illegal and unconstitutional for Trump to pardon anyone associated with his impeachment [like Roger Stone] because he was impeached and such actions would be considered a payoff for misdeeds. President Pence on fire, however, could.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 08:53 PM

The OP referenced, from the Hillary Clinton interview,
not only the 'this is abnormal' quote,
but Clinton's opinions on Bernie Sanders;
I have seen little in this thread
that takes those specific opinions into consideration.
So, this post will print out the part of the interview
in which Hillary Clinton speaks about Bernie Sanders.

In the doc[umentary], you're brutally honest on Sanders:
'He was in Congress for years.
He had one Senator support him.
Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done.
He was a career politician.
It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.'
That assessment still hold?

Yes, it does.

If he gets the nomination,
will you endorse and campaign for him?

I'm not going to go there yet.
We're still in a very vigorous primary season.
I will say, however, that it's not only him,
it's the culture around him.
It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters.
It's his online Bernie Bro[ther]s and their relentless attacks
on lots of his competitors, particularly the women.
And I really hope people are paying attention to that
because it should be worrisome
that he has permitted this culture --
not only permitted, [he] seems to really be
very much supporting it.
And I don't think we want to go down that road again
where you campaign by insult and attack
and maybe you try to get some distance from it,
but you either don't know what y our campaign and supporters are doing
or you're just giving them a wink and
you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren].
I think that's a pattern that people should take into account
when they make their decisions.
Speaking of, he allegedly told Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018 that he didn't think a woman could win, a statement he vigorously denies.
How did you digest that?

Well, number one, I think [that sentiment] is untrue, which we should all say loudly.
I mean, I did get more votes both in the primary, by about 4 million,
and in the general election, by about 3 million.
I think that both the press and the public
have to really hold everybody running
accountable for what they say and what their campaign says and does.
That's particularly true with what's going on right now
with the Bernie campaign having gone after Elizabeth [Warren]
with a very personal attack on her.
Then this argument about whether or not, or when he did or didn't say,
that a woman couldn't be elected:
it's part of a pattern.
If it were a one-off, you might say, "OK, fine."
But he said I was unqualified.
I had a lot more experience than he did,
and got a lot more done than he had,
but that was his attack on me.
I just think people need to pay attention
because we want, hopefully, to elect
a president who's going to try to bring us together,
and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward
the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior
that we've seen from this current administration.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 10:16 AM

Well worth re-posting from 07 Feb 20 - 09:42 AM:

[ as is the rest of that particular post ]

Keberoxu, everyone is tired of this topic except those who want to keep fighting about anything.

Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton)
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:55 PM

Guess someone isn't everyone.