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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Feb 20 - 10:35 AM One person alone (seemingly) can't do it, though Trump is aiming at single-handedly getting everyone into a shooting war over there. The big money behind paying for elections comes from the general direction of pro-Israel and fundamental-Christian groups who will hear nothing of Israel being slapped down or restricted from misbehaving. Hillary did a remarkable job as Secretary of State, and brokered many peace deals. This one was beyond everyone's reach, and I imagine it will take a while once Trump is ousted to get back to a point where the illegal settlements can finally be discussed rationally and those individuals evicted from Palestinian territory, that will then be returned to Palestinians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: keberoxu Date: 10 Feb 20 - 11:51 AM During these past four years, the "Me Too" / "Time's Up" causes have made a lot of people look carefully at respect or disrespect for women. No, I am NOT saying that Bernie Sanders is a predator ... not at all. But the public gaze at the treatment of women has a more glaring spotlight trained thereon. Maybe Mr. Sanders is too old to change his ways, that is true of many registered voters his age after all. And so, as a candidate, he may not be able to respond carefully and thoughtfully to the concerns of 1) candidates who happen to be women 2) registered voters who happen to be women 3) participants of any/no gender who want respect for all regardless of gender so we will see how this plays out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Iains Date: 10 Feb 20 - 04:16 PM Anything that may represent support of republicans is promptly deleted. How are you going to deal witth it when Trump is re elected? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 10 Feb 20 - 05:06 PM Honesty is the best policy here and elsewhere. I had no reason to ever attempt to influence elections in your country. Iains let me be the first to introduce you to the golden rule. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Feb 20 - 09:42 PM Somebody here is being bloody stupid. Not my gig, of course. Honestly, whoever you are, you really do have better things to do.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Feb 20 - 11:33 PM Well, I get upset by all the back-and-forth accusations here. In the end, I decided Elizabeth Warren is the best candidate. For a number of reasons, I've never donated to political candidates before. But this year, I sent off $100 to Elizabeth Warren. I hope she prevails. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Feb 20 - 04:30 AM I suppose what I'd say, is that if Senators Warren and Sanders propose their proposals in the Senate, I'll support them wholeheartedly. They have great ideas. If they hold those ideas as a platform as presidential candidates, I would be very much afraid of Trump winning. That's why I want a moderate Presidential candidate, and that's why I liked Obama so much. The alternative is Trump, and that scares me to death, . Joe |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 20 - 06:44 AM I was hoping for a Warren VP candidate last time Like Biden, I think she missed her ideal time |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 06:59 AM I've disqualified Biden, Sanders and Warren from consideration due to age (think of the orange turd as a cautionary tale, although he's unqualified in so many other ways). Pete Buttigieg is the way forward for me. Though I believe in the liberal , people-oriented policies espoused by Sanders and Warren I'm not looking for an ideologue as president, I want someone who aspires to govern all the populace and not one who appeals to the basest instincts of about 40% of it, like the nitwit we have now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:32 AM I agree with that. The best chance of ousting Trump is to put up a young and dynamic candidate. You really do have to ditch people who look old and worn out, whether they are or not. This is serious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:41 AM Plus Bernie and Biden would be in their 80's before their first term was out and Warren in her mid-70's. We don't need to recreate the Politburo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:46 AM I love the humour there but somehow I can't laugh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 07:47 AM maybe to keep from crying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:05 AM Actually I was being mostly serious, Steve. It goes beyond perceptions, who knows how any of us are going to be in our 80's, if we make it that far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:43 AM Were not going to get hard core hate votes for Trump anyway. Pete is the only ENERGETIC nouvaux candidate but Bernie has a buzz and a track record. Depending on a mesmerizing speech like what Obama had at the Convention Pete could overcome the predjudice of the older voters. Its a good pick but too soon to be obvious. WHO knows, things have been so unpredictably quantum. Maybe Trump will have a 'stroke a dope' and seemingly comes back as an entirely changed man???? We need someone sober to get us home. Someone electrifying is asking for pie in the sky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:50 AM Bernie's catch phrase: "Not me, us" I'd go with "RESPECT AGAIN" for the cross over vote |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 20 - 08:59 AM Alfred E Neuman catch phrase: Not me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 09:13 AM Wasn't Alfie famous for- "What, me worry?"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 20 - 11:50 AM I'm making fun of Bernie's real slogan with 'not me' Remember Hillary's real slogan 'Love trump's hate' using your opponents name in your slogan is awful. Negative statements are awful. I can do a much better catch phrase job with the rules of hypnosis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 11 Feb 20 - 12:13 PM Gotcha |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: robomatic Date: 12 Feb 20 - 12:03 AM Donating to Pete |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 12 Feb 20 - 10:28 PM Robo let the cat out of the bag that he supports a candidate that makes sense, has enhanced sensibility and respects the rule of law. Most people support the most entertaining or someone most like themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: EBarnacle Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:13 AM It has been pointed out that most of the "far left" positions have been supported by various presidents for over a century. The Congress has moved Right, not necessarily the people. When asked about the Affordable Care Act, many more people support it than support Obamacare. It's all in how you ask the question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:59 AM The ACA/Obamacare saved my bacon when I had to have a knee replacement in 2015. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Mossback Date: 13 Feb 20 - 10:20 AM And now, for something consequentially abnormal... Max Boot, a conservative columnist for The Washington Post, on Wednesday described Donald Trump as “unchained and unhinged” as he analyzed the fallout from the president’s acquittal on impeachment charges. Boot labeled Trump’s actions in the week since his acquittal ? including “seeking retribution against his real and perceived enemies” and “trying to protect Roger Stone for lying under oath” ? as “really banana republic stuff.” “This is not normal,” warned Boot, who left the Republican Party in protest of Trump following the 2016 election. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/max-boot-donald-trump-unchained-unhinged_n_5e45098cc5b62b85f82ee524 |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 20 - 11:43 AM The judge doesn't have to follow the Justice Department recommendations (or the revised recommendations). Here's hoping she follows the original recommendation. What could possibly happen? (Trump-and-aneurysm is a combination that comes to mind.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 13 Feb 20 - 12:15 PM "Look what that crazy democrat judge made me do, now I have to pardon Roger Stone" Hitler's revenge or power consolidation was usually murder. Trump's revenge and power consolidation is firing and attempted jailing He is a kinder gentler Hitler |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: EBarnacle Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:08 PM Kinder? Perhaps in German, as he acts like a spoiled child. Gentler? Certainly not to anyone who disagrees with him. He has not [at least to my knowledge] directly murdered anyone yet. I wonder ow many will die as the result of his planned changes to health care or his caging of children. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 13 Feb 20 - 05:36 PM I thought of the german kinder. I should qualify that Hitler used bullets. Trump uses hate and spite. However he did inquire if shooting border immigrants in the legs was doable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Mossback Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:26 PM He is a kinder gentler Hitler Give him a chance- he & Oberst-Gruppenführer Miller are just getting started. He has not [at least to my knowledge] directly murdered anyone yet. Well, there's Soleimani & the nine others killed with him... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:39 PM There was only one character witness to testify that Trump was an OK guy. It was Cy Lance AKA silence. It was Bush 2 that had the motto of a kinder gentler conservative. A kinder gentler Hitler - bumper sticker is stark but obvious |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 13 Feb 20 - 08:24 PM "kinder gentler" comes from a Bush 1 speech. Bush 2 was supposedly a "compassionate conservative". If this keeps up I'm going to have to start charging you, Don. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Feb 20 - 09:08 PM Calling Trump or anyone else in western democracies "Hitler" is a long way from being helpful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 20 - 10:12 PM Trump is his own brand of evil leader, his is a name that will be thrown at others in the future. That's what "Trump" is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 20 - 12:09 PM Differentiating Trump FROM Hitler is what A kinder gentler Hitler does. Nor does it say Trump is the same or opposite but only different. For example Atilla the Hun was not Julius Ceasar although they shared ideological goals. Besides Steve the phrase shares an American candidate's motto unknown to you. It was GHW Bush not junior. Be that as it may, a slab of lasagna sounds good right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Mossback Date: 14 Feb 20 - 12:10 PM Go Alec ! Alec Baldwin on Thursday took a swipe at Donald Trump and Senate Republicans: You wonder how Hitler took control of a once great country. For those of you too young to recall the War or its aftermath, simply watch how this GOP-controlled Senate behaves. Their sniveling fealty and lack of courage. And you begin to get it. It’s official. The current United States government is as lawless as the malignant dictatorships we’ve hated in our foreign policy since WWII https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-gop-hitler_n_5e465393c5b64d860fc897dd |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 20 - 02:56 PM I think of the 4 freedoms FDR Offered to the world and how Trump treats those four freedoms. If you do not understand I am sure Mossback does. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 20 - 12:16 PM reprise Friends, catters and countrymen, lend me your eyes. I come to speak of Trump, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones; So let it be with Trump. The noble Schiff Hath told you Trump abused power: If it were so, it was a grievous fault, And grievously Trump was impeached for it. Here, under leadership of Pelosi and the rest– For Nancy is an honourable woman; So are they all, all honourable men–women I come to speak of quid pro quo abuse. Yes he was guilty and seldom faithful to the Constitution: But Schiff says he abused power; And Schiff is an honourable man. Trump hath brought many captives to cages Where Wall $ came from the general coffers: Did this in Trump seem abusive? When that the poor have cried, Trump cared less: Abuse should be made of sterner stuff: Yet Pelosi says he was abusive and vengeful; And Pelosi is an honourable woman. You all did see that in the Congress But here I am to speak of what I do know. Many do love him , without cause. O judgment! thou art aquitted by your cohorts, And men have lost their reason. Bear with me; The constitution technically allows him to abuse power. Only you the people can give the final word and judgment. Conservative think tanks have stratagized legalities You have the power of creating new realities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: keberoxu Date: 16 Feb 20 - 10:48 PM Dear old Abby Normal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Feb 20 - 11:16 PM FDR's Four Freedoms are a good thing to bring up, Donuel. FDR proposed four fundamental freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:
I wonder if Trump's followers are too far gone, or if they can buy into these. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 17 Feb 20 - 07:55 AM FREEDOM OF SPEECH unless beaten at Trump rally or tweeting by Prez FREEDOM OF RELIGION unless there is a Muslim ban FREEDOM OF WANT if you are rich enough for tax free bracket FREEDOM FROM FEAR if you are loyal to Trump |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:00 AM An abnormal release of convicted white collar criminals and con men have been pardoned by the Donald. Such as Blagojevich, Lex Luthor; Bartolo The 49ers won five Super Bowl championships in a 14-year span while Mr. DeBartolo was serving as the team’s principal owner. Although Mr. DeBartolo avoided prison time, he was fined $1 million and was suspended for a year by the N.F.L. Ariel Friedler Ariel Friedler, a technology entrepreneur, pleaded guilty in 2014 to conspiracy to access a protected computer without authorization and served two months in prison, according to a statement from the White House. Mr. Friedler has since dedicated his life to promoting veterans issues and helping former prisoners re-enter society, the statement said. COMMUTATION Tynice Nichole Hall Tynice Nichole Hall was sentenced in 2006 after she was convicted on various drug charges in Lubbock, Texas, according to the Justice Department. The evidence at trial showed that Ms. Hall’s residence was used as a stash house for drugs by her boyfriend, who was the main target of an investigation, according to court documents. The police found large quantities of crack and powder cocaine and loaded firearms in her apartment. Ms. Hall has spent the last 14 years in prison, where she has participated in apprenticeships, completed coursework toward a college degree and led educational programs for other inmates, the White House statement said. PARDON Bernard B. Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner, in 2014.Credit...Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call, via Associated Press Ten years ago this month, Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner, was sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to eight felony charges, including tax fraud and lying to White House officials. Mr. Kerik, who was a close ally of former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, took responsibility for his actions. Mr. Kerik’s rise to prominence dates to the 1993 campaign for mayor in New York City, when he served as Mr. Giuliani’s bodyguard and chauffeur. After the pardon was announced, Mr. Kerik expressed his gratitude to Mr. Trump on Twitter. “With the exception of the birth of my children,” he wrote, “today is one of the greatest days of my life.” PARDON Michael R. Milken Michael R. Milken at the annual Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last year. Michael R. Milken at the annual Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last year.Credit...Michael Kovac/Getty Images Michael R. Milken was the billionaire “junk bond king” and a well-known financier on Wall Street in the 1980s. In 1990, he pleaded guilty to securities fraud and conspiracy charges and was sentenced to 10 years in prison, though his sentence was later reduced to two years. He also agreed to pay $600 million in fines and penalties. Mr. Milken was the inspiration for the Gordon Gekko character in the film “Wall Street.” Among those arguing for Mr. Milken to be pardoned were Mr. Giuliani, who prosecuted Mr. Milken when he was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Since he was released from prison in 1993, Mr. Milken has striven to repair his reputation by creating the Milken Institute, a nonpartisan economic and public policy think tank. COMMUTATION Crystal Munoz Crystal Munoz was found guilty in 2008 of conspiring to possess with intent to distribute marijuana, according to a petition filed by the Criminal Defense Clinic at the Texas A&M University School of Law. Ms. Munoz, who was sentenced to nearly two decades in prison, drew a map that her friends used in a large marijuana trafficking operation, according to Rolling Stone. Over the past 12 years, Ms. Munoz has mentored people and volunteered with a hospice program while serving in prison, according to the White House statemen COMMUTATION Judith Negron Judith Negron was sentenced to 35 years in prison in 2011 for her role in orchestrating a $205 million Medicare fraud scheme as the owner of a mental health care company in Miami. Ms. Negron has served eight years in prison, and her prison warden described her as a “model inmate,” according to the White House statement. PARDON Paul Pogue In 2010, Paul Pogue, the founder and former chief executive of a large construction company in Texas, was sentenced to three years of probation and was ordered to pay $723,0000 in fines and restitution for filing false income tax statements, according to the McKinney Courier Gazette. The White House applauded his charitable work in its statement on Tuesday. “Despite his conviction, Mr. Pogue never stopped his charitable work,” the statement said. PARDON David Safavian David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, leaving U.S. District Court in Washington in 2006. David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, leaving U.S. District Court in Washington in 2006.Credit...Charles Dharapak/Associated Press David Safavian, the top federal procurement official under President George W. Bush, was sentenced to a year in prison in 2009 for covering up his ties to the lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Mr. Safavian, a former chief of staff at the General Services Administration, was convicted of obstruction of justice and making false statements. “Having served time in prison and completed the process of rejoining society with a felony conviction, Mr. Safavian is uniquely positioned to identify problems with the criminal justice system and work to fix them,” the White House said in the statement. PARDON Angela Stanton etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:18 AM Here's a link to one story of the orange turd's pardoning of sleaze- The Daily Beast This is serious, we've got to flush this turd while the rule of law still exists in this country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Iains Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:49 AM Of course to put the above couple of posts in their proper perspective we have to consider President Obama and executive clemency: By the end of his second and final term on January 20, 2017, United States President Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant the executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"— to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1,715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges, and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs. Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office.He also issued more commutations than the past 13 presidents combined. As of February 18, 2020, Republican president Donald Trump has issued nineteen pardons and seven commutations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 19 Feb 20 - 08:54 AM It's not the quantity it's the (low) quality, guido jr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 19 Feb 20 - 11:14 AM Wait until after the election if you want to see even sleazier types get pardoned, win or lose (hopefully the latter for the sake of human decency) President Shitbag is going to going spring, Manafort, Stone, Flynn and any other creep that's he's wagged a pardon in front of in return for their silence. He's not just running for the presidency he's trying to stay out of jail in New York where his personal attorney is doing time for a crime in which the orange turd has been named a co-conspirator. They won't show him any mercy up there so look for him to try to give himself a blanket pardon, something he's already contemplated, before he slithers out of the White House. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: keberoxu Date: 20 Feb 20 - 11:25 AM Michael Bloomberg put Bernie Sanders in his place at last night's Las Vegas debate. Could be ... interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Mossback Date: 20 Feb 20 - 12:53 PM Michael Bloomberg put Bernie Sanders in his place You've got that precisely backwards. And with crooke,d foul-mouthed privatise public education, anti-union, anti ACLU, stop-and-frisk oligarch Bloomberg, we might just as well have four more years of Trump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 20 - 12:59 PM Bloomberg resembles Trump more than he resembles Sanders for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'this is abnormal' (Hillary Clinton) From: gillymor Date: 20 Feb 20 - 01:11 PM Yep, America,where any arrogant racist billionaire schmuck who won't release their tax returns can grow up to buy the presidency. I must have watched a different debate because Bloomberg absorped numerous rhetorical gut punches and Sanders was unphased by the Bloomberg remark, fhe one I assume you're alluding to, that he's heard many times before. |
