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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Rain Dog 04 May 21 - 05:20 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:20 AM

"WTF is a "prmonition"!?"

I had a feeling that Donuel was going to spell it like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:32 AM

By the way, in a discussion forum in which I'm putting my point of view in a direct yet polite and carefully constructed manner (which is what we are supposedly here to do), I think that trying to shut someone down by telling them "enough already" comes across as somewhat jarring and even just a tad authoritarian...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:27 AM

Are you reading my posts, Maggie? Did you see the bit that said And at least on this side of the ocean compliance with the rules has been generally pretty good. The people have done well? How does that compute with "I think your view discounts the incredible impact individual participation can make when people resolve to do things effectively to protect themselves and those around them," pray tell?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 May 21 - 01:58 AM

i agree with Steve Shaw.
INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION is infentiisimal compared to well thought government strategy. ventilation of buildings design of buildings to deal with viral infection etc.. is just as important as wearing a mask[a mask that may have been handled or dirty etc ]


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 11:01 PM

A typo.

And again, Steve, we must agree to disagree because I think your view discounts the incredible impact individual participation can make when people resolve to do things effectively to protect themselves and those around them. Now enough already.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:17 PM

WTF is a "prmonition"!?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:16 PM

And your pronouncements about the efficacy of masks, even going so far as to say that people who genuinely can't wear them shouldn't leave their houses, are made with such certainty that you make other opinions look more than tepid. I'm quite happy that we can disagree on this, but you must accept that flaccid leadership in your country, my country, India, Brazil and elsewhere, and leaky national borders, have played a massive part in making this a GLOBAL pandemic. You can hit out at mask rebels all you like but you won't stop them from being rebels (by rebels I mean refusers, by the way, not reluctant compliers like me), and, as I sort of said before, out of a hundred or two mask rebels it could be that one or none will actually have the infection. That doesn't remotely make them right or safe, but we need to get a grip on where the real problem lies. It is terrible leadership and mass movement of people, mostly for slight reasons, across international borders. This virus doesn't have wings. And at least on this side of the ocean compliance with the rules has been generally pretty good. The people have done well, we have few cases compared to most other countries but our government is seriously adept at throwing away the advantage, as it seems about to do again apropos of allowing foreign holidays both in and out of the country. Unfocussed blaming ordinary people is futile and negative and won't change anything for the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:12 PM

Raindog, thanks for posting it first. Prmonition is worth its weight in gold.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 08:41 PM

We will have to agree to disagree about who spreads it. There is plenty of blame to go around though your pronouncements suggest any other opinion is tepid. There is PLENTY of information here in the US, but unfortunately the Resident of the White House for four years was averse to science and facts. And his followers have piled on in arguing against common sense personal behavior. Those individuals are definitely part of the problem. Modi in India is a Little Trump on a much larger stage. He bears a considerable part of the blame, and it trickles down through his chosen administrators if they dismiss medical facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 06:55 PM

New York Times review of Michael Lewis's book The Premonition - A Pandemic Story

New York Times review

It was an extract from the book in The UK Sunday Times that surprised me with the news of the genome tracking in th US


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 21 - 06:20 PM

In this country we have had mixed messages from the top for well over a year. There has been massive confusion about what you can or can't do, what's legal and what's illegal, starting or ending on this date or that. We've had a labyrinthine four-tier system of restrictions that even the politicians didn't understand. We've had hubris from Johnson about defeating the virus in twelve weeks. We've had Tory little-England exceptionalism. We've had a government test and trace app costing tens of billions that doesn't work. You can be in trouble with the law if you fail to self-isolate when the app tells you to, but you don't even have to have the bloody app! We've had delayed lockdowns that have cost thousands of lives. We've had untested sick people sent from hospital into care homes. Tens of thousands of old people have died as a result. We are currently talking up the shining possibility of foreign holidays and our borders are way too porous and quarantine has, at times, been de facto voluntary.

So I don't want to hear about ordinary people being blamed. Of course, there will always be a few. Round here, people all comply valiantly with all the rules when they can, but it's often impossible, in free-for-all supermarkets for example. Everybody round here wears a mask when required. The people in this country have been very good about this. So I'm not accepting blame. It might be different in America, I wouldn't know. But we have leaders who are supposed to lead, not confuse us. We have done it in spite of our leaders. I want to see them promoting a national sense of communal responsibility, predicated on sound, clear advice and abundant information. There has been little sign of a coordinated effort to do that. So put the blame where it truly lies, not on a few renegade non-mask wearers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 05:52 PM

299 people in the US are confirmed to have died of COVID-19 yesterday. One day total is the equivalent of an airliner crash, but it passes by barely remarked on.

There are a lot of people out there not pulling their weight when it comes to protecting others. And so many have died that the tragedy of deaths now is that they are viewed as business as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 04:05 PM

What is the remedy when someone offends an entire country or world?
Facebook is about to review their decision to deplateform Donald Trump. Florida adds its 2 cents by signing a law to fine Faceebook $250,000 if they deplateform anyone without warning and other things...
what to do what to do?!
signed, the incomprehensible one :^?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 11:29 AM

The whole herd immunity thing was put succinctly on a radio interview today. During a pandemic we live in a time of great personal sacrifice for the greater good. Too many people don't understand that, or have decided the political response is their approach rather than an altruistic attitude. Simply put.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:43 AM

Donuel:
Simply put
Are you capable of doing that. I usually find you as incomprehensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:36 AM

double mutant variant


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:08 AM

From The Guardian today

"New Zealand’s customs agency has fired nine border workers who refused to get the Covid-19 vaccine. The country has required all frontline border workers to be vaccinated by the end of April.

In February, the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, said the government would not be making the vaccine compulsory for frontline staff, and that those who declined the vaccine would be moved into backroom roles.

But no other work could be found to redeploy the nine workers who were in fixed term employment at the maritime border, Jacinda Funnell, Customs’ deputy chief executive for people and capability, said."

New Zealand fires nine border workers who refused Covid vaccine


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:42 AM

I saw several articles this morning that say the US will not reach herd immunity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:38 AM

A month old but does not appear to have been mentioned here.

Nature 7th April 2021

"As COVID-19 cases surge again in the United States, coronavirus variants are on the rise. But researchers fear that the country is ramping up surveillance of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 too slowly, allowing these variants — which evidence shows1,2 could make vaccines less effective — to spread undetected in one of the countries hit hardest by the disease.

Laboratories supported by the US government have doubled the rate at which they are sequencing SARS-CoV-2 genomes over the past two months. Still, the number of genomes that the country shared in the online genome repository GISAID in March represented only 1.6% of its positive COVID-19 cases that month. And the United States lags behind at least 30 countries in terms of the sequencing it has done throughout the pandemic, according to GISAID data"

Full article here

Why US coronavirus tracking can’t keep up with concerning variants


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 08:04 AM

Simply put in a time of pandemic you have to imagine yourself differently. I believe most of us have. Those who can not, deserve to be shunned and distanced be it for academic, ignorant or imagined reasons.

That goes for for some in the CDC to the most dysfunctional Trumper.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 21 - 04:39 PM

no offence intended, maggie, hopefully we will meet in heaven playing the harp but not just yet


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 21 - 04:18 PM

it is also spread by lack of ventilation in buildings, hospitals, schools, supermarkets, they need to be redesigned too, masks are only part of the solution and are not as important as ventilation, some hopitals need to be redesigned specifically to deal with viruses, regardless of masks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 21 - 03:00 PM

Dick, no, I haven't been to Ireland, I haven't researched COVID around the world, so in the context of a TRUMP remark you can safely assume I'm speaking of the United States. And we were speaking of INDOORS, where everyone should still be wearing masks. In the US those of us who have been fully vaccinated can go without masks out of doors in open settings with small vaccinated groups.

Steve you can rant on about global travel being at fault but when it comes down to it, people in close contact with people is how it spreads, wherever they are from. It is a courtesy to others to still wear the mask indoors even if you are fully vaccinated. There are break-out cases where vaccinated people can still catch COVID-19. They can be sick for many days, most likely at home. They can still possibly spread to others.

As the Instagram and Twitter hashtag says, #WearTheDamnMask


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 May 21 - 02:56 PM

The most prominent agitator for mask refusal in Ireland is Dolores Cahill of the Irish Freedom Party. Whose politics is straight-out delusional Trumpism.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 21 - 01:39 PM

The lion's share of unmasked people are scofflaws and Trump supporters who think their freedom to spread disease outweighs the good of the society at large.
well there are not many trump supporters in ireland but there are some non mask wearers some of them have had both vaccinations, Maggie you are ignorant of the situation in ireland


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 May 21 - 12:57 PM

So someone who genuinely can't wear a mask is confined to quarters? Sheesh... And the other thing is that you seem to be assuming that not wearing a mask is THE cause of the spread. Well I disagree. The reasons this is a global pandemic is that international travel has been allowed, and don't get me started on lax procedures in shops, public transport and care homes. This virus spreads from country to country via international travel and from person to person when lots of people congregate in crowded places. Round here, everyone complies with the mask-wearing obligation. But mask-abuse is the norm. A paper mask used for day after day. Ill-fitting masks. Mask stowed under the chin. Noses scratched through a mask or sticking out over the top of the mask. Discarded mask litter everywhere. Mask wearers thinking that keeping your distance doesn't matter as long as your mask is on.

It's notable that island countries with sparse populations (Australia, New Zealand) have been only lightly affected. Also, they have been very strict apropos of their borders. Cornwall, where I live, is a big county with a small population. Our case numbers have consistently been been among the lowest in the country. Take a clue from all that. The occasional mask rebel you see (hardly any round here) probably isn't infected anyway. It would take an awful lot of mask rebels to pose much of a threat, even if masks did work. I don't think masks do much good at all and I haven't seen strong evidence to the contrary. I am not even remotely a mask rebel, not because I don't think that masks are almost useless but because I don't want to make anyone I encounter in a shop to feel insecure.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 21 - 12:25 PM

I have not seen anyone challenged by a member of the public for not wearing a mask. Mask wearing in shops is fairly good on the whole here.

and


There is never justification for haranguing non-mask wearers. The reasons for some people being exempt are never visibly apparent.


I have to disagree with both of these remarks. People do challenge non-mask wearers here, because at this point it is obvious to most people that we're doing the heavy lifting in trying to prevent this pandemic from spreading and these freeloaders are the ones who are going to keep it going for a lot longer than needed.

If you can't wear a mask, then don't go out. Take care of business out-of-doors or have things delivered. Don't wander around stores and other places where your presence is entirely discretionary with no mask. The lion's share of unmasked people are scofflaws and Trump supporters who think their freedom to spread disease outweighs the good of the society at large.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 May 21 - 09:23 AM

Shake it all about, then snort it [grin]?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 May 21 - 05:28 AM

It's going to be impossible to contain the new Indian variants to India - it's just too big and too linked with the rest of the world.

What the rest of the world can do is not fuck their response up as badly as India has done. The American South looks like flushing itself down the same toilet.

The UK coped with the smoking ban fairly well - hardly anyone flouts it and the change was quick. Mask refusal is much more dangerous and happens much more often. And the tobacco industry didn't put up that much of a fight. The implication is that whoever's backing mask refusal, as a collective thing, is a more effective and better organized enemy of the mass of humanity than even Big Tobacco was.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 May 21 - 04:35 AM

mrzy, do you know if you spoke to me loudly and politely. i might do the hokey cokey


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 01 May 21 - 03:55 AM

There is breaking the rules and breaking the rules - but all through the pandemic there has also been a number of rabid don't do this or don't do that type people.

One local FB user during the first lock down vented from her house in St Boswells that "it is like Piccadilly Circus out there......counted over 30 people go past in the last half an hour.............and some have backpacks so obviously going further than allowed"

I thought the obsession of sitting at your window counting how many people were going past was weird in the extreme. And 30 people in 30 minutes is hardly Piccadilly Circus anyway. And backpacks are good for putting things like coats and cameras etc in even if not walking that far. You were allowed to go for an hour's walk even at the height of the first lock down here so no-one was necessarily breaking any rule. Yet this person thought everyone should stay in their homes like prisoners just because she was.

Then there was another who went to Lidl but saw the big queue and decided to not bother - so she went home and vented about all the sefish b******* going shopping for their drink and BBQ food etc. Yet they were only doing exactly the same as she intended doing. Shop!

There has been some strange behaviour though on the most part folks have been great.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 May 21 - 03:49 AM

Australia has just made it illegal for its citizens to return home from India

Australia bans its own citizens from returning home


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 May 21 - 03:13 AM

jack campin do you do this whilst goose stepping. aggression meets with agression. jack campin mussolin would love you


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 07:14 PM

I am definitely no mask advocate. My opinion is that they don't do any good and that they are used as a blunt instrument of control. However, we live in vulnerable times and I think that putting on a mask doesn't hurt. We bite the bullet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 06:27 PM

Me too, Jack Campin. I ask if they fotgot it. Loudly but politely.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 03:17 PM

I usually challenge people who won't wear masks in public. They are putting other people's lives at risk and I have NO obligation to be in any way polite to them. I want them out of the door, and fuck their "exemptions".


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 11:54 AM

rain dog it is not fascist this or that, but very specific behaviour during the pandemic[haranguing non mask wearers whilst forgeting about social distancing[ which i have seen ] is totalitarian in nature] your bizarre remark about the wonderful Underpaid nhs staff is nor relevant. the sort ofbehaviour i have described is reminscentto me of the people who as soon as they put on a uniform seem to become power crazy. the vast majority of people are getting vaccinated . the astra zeneca vaccine delay in the eu was not a fault of the eu ,it was the fault of the manufacturers not producing as many or supplying as many to the eu as promised ..they are now being sued.
now that vaccination is progressing it is time for governments and people to chill out a bit.
i too was in and e 10 days ag0 i had a small stroke the staff were pleasant and efficient.
your attempts at humour are not very funny


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 09:02 AM

as i have said i am taking the vaccinations,i do not know whether gates is behind this but i doubt it. i find it an intersting psychological comment when people have to anno8nce on facebook they are blocking anyone who disgrees with their view on covi 19, it looks to me they are trying to show power, why announce it


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 05:46 AM

Fascist this and fascist that.

I have not seen anyone challenged by a member of the public for not wearing a mask. Mask wearing in shops is fairly good on the whole here.

While I do not condone anyone for being verbally aggressive about non mask wearing, none of us know why they do it. They might have lost a relative to covid, lost their business because of covid or lost their job working for a fascist big business because of covid.

Now if you want to talk about fascist behaviour. I had 2 visits to a & e last month. Had a fascist security guy take my temperature, had to wait behind fascist lines on the ground, asked questions by another mask wearing fascist, told where to walk to and where to stand while waiting. Most of the staff were wearing fascist uniforms. And then they ended.up giving me two fascist prescriptions for stuff that made little to know difference.

Do have to say that the staff and patients were all pleasant apart from their fascist behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 05:43 AM

There is never justification for haranguing non-mask wearers. The reasons for some people being exempt are never visibly apparent. I'm fairly deaf, and that doesn't show either. I'm thinking of wearing a big badge that says SPEAK UP. As for the vaccines, if you don't want them that's fine, though you could be misinformed. That also doesn't show up unless you crow about it telling everyone that Bill Gates wants to control us all, etc. If you do that kind of thing you deserve what you get, in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 04:58 AM

it is not as simple as that. i have seen people who do not weara masks attacked verbally in supermarkets by budding fascists who then forget about the two meter rule when they harangue the non mask wearer, really silly behaviour, if someone does not want or has a good reason for not wearing a mask give them distance,
we still do not know how effective masks are although they reduce the risk to some extent.if vaccination is effective we hopefully will not need to wear masks
while i do not think this has been planned it has been an unintentional experiment in controlling people dividing people and ruling. meanwhile the pharmacuetical c0mpanies have been profiting, small businesses have suffered but multi national capitalism gets stronger. we do not need over zealous fascists going around haranguing people the majority of people are getting vaccinated


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 04:32 AM

Quite so, Dick, but blocking someone on Facebook is a choice in the same way as not taking the vaccine is a choice. Telling the world that you're not having the vaccine is also a choice, as is telling the world that you'll block a vaccine-refuser. Whilst it's a free country, I'd suggest that vaccine-refusers would be better served if they kept it to themselves. All too often, they go large with their prejudiced and ill-informed views, and the last thing we want, in my opinion, is for their vexatious assertions to be sowing doubt and fear. There's nothing tolerant about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 03:47 AM

I would like to make a call for tolerance of others views on the pandemic.
i have noticed one mudcat member who is threatening to block any facebook user who has a different view to him on the pandemic.
i have had my first vacc ,but i respect those people who have decided for religous or other reasons not to be vaccinated that is their choice, they are a minority and should not be victimised. i do not want to live in a totalitarian society, . the establishment rules by division


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 06:28 PM

Periodontitis has been linked to Subacute Bacterial Endocarditis (not pericarditis) for well over 50 years - nothing new: anyone with mitral or aortic valve disease is given prophylactic antibiotics before any dental treatment, although our lecturers used to tell us that just brushing your teeth sends off a shower of bacteria into your bloodstream!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 11:00 AM

Arundhati Roy on the horror in India


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 07:18 PM

Raindog there is a connection particularly with tooth and pericardial infections. (heart lining infections)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 03:43 AM

I believe that there has been previous research on a link between periodontitis and heart disease. Not sure that any firm link has been established.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 02:21 PM

I read that on gum disease too, thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 12:15 PM

Gum disease linked to severe COVID-19 outcomes

The start of the story:

One of the more perplexing things about COVID-19 is its wide range of outcomes in people who get the disease. A new study from researchers at McGill University in Toronto, Canada, finds a link between gums with inflammation and infection and COVID-19 complications and deaths.

The study finds that people with periodontitis are 8.8 times more likely to die of COVID-19.

In addition, such individuals are 3.5 times more likely to require hospitalization for COVID-19 and 4.5 times more likely to require a ventilator.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 12:12 PM

The video that plays at the beginning seems to be unrelated to the story.

Spanish man charged with infecting 22 people with COVID-19

MADRID -- A Spanish man with COVID-19 symptoms who coughed on work colleagues and told them “I’m going to give you all the coronavirus” has been charged with intentionally causing injury after allegedly infecting 22 people.

Spanish police said their investigation began after a COVID-19 outbreak at the company where the 40-year-old man worked on the Mediterranean island of Mallorca.

Days before the outbreak, the man showed COVID-19 symptoms but refused his colleagues’ suggestions to go home and self-isolate, police said in a statement.

After work, and showing no improvement, he went for a PCR test before visiting a gym and returning to work the next day. Though his superiors told him to go home after he allegedly had showed a temperature of 40 degrees Celsius, the man refused.

He walked around his workplace, lowering his face mask and coughing on people, saying “I’m going to infect you all with the coronavirus,” according to police.

At the end of the day, his PCR test came back positive. His colleagues were then tested, with five returning positive results. They in turn infected family members, including three infants, police said. At the gym the man visited, three people tested positive and also infected family members.

None of those infected required hospitalization, police said.

A judge charged the man, who was not identified by police, and released him on Saturday evening to await trial, Spain’s Europa Press news agency reported.


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