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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Nigel Parsons 04 Feb 22 - 10:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Feb 22 - 07:54 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Feb 22 - 07:51 AM
Donuel 04 Feb 22 - 07:51 AM
Donuel 04 Feb 22 - 07:39 AM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Feb 22 - 09:09 PM
Mr Red 03 Feb 22 - 06:17 PM
Mrrzy 03 Feb 22 - 01:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Feb 22 - 09:58 AM
SPB-Cooperator 03 Feb 22 - 05:56 AM
Donuel 03 Feb 22 - 05:39 AM
Donuel 02 Feb 22 - 04:22 PM
McGrath of Harlow 02 Feb 22 - 02:08 PM
Stilly River Sage 02 Feb 22 - 11:49 AM
Donuel 02 Feb 22 - 11:19 AM
Mrrzy 02 Feb 22 - 10:54 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 22 - 09:06 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 22 - 08:57 AM
Donuel 02 Feb 22 - 08:47 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 10:10 AM

Dave,
I causes immobility of the lower legs:
"Keep yer feet still Geordie hinny!"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 07:54 AM

I always thought that H1N1 was a Geordie virus

Why aye hinny!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 07:51 AM

"There is a potential for a simple fungus to wipe out vast populations"

Populations of who or what? Potato blight? White-rot on my onions, leeks and garlic?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 07:51 AM

ps.
I had measles and chicken pox at the same time.
Simultaneity is a bitch.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 07:39 AM

Every pandemic is different. There is a potential for a simple fungus to wipe out vast populations, especially in climate change. In life who is the hunted and who is the prey change places quickly. C'est la guerre.
Right now our cleverness has an advantage over stupidity. It may not always be the case. Sometimes we are just lucky, sometimes luck runs out.

For those who asked what if we weaponized the common cold, they have their answer. We need better questions don't you think.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 09:09 PM

The precautions people have been taking such a wearing masks, social distancing and washing hands will have also reduced the likelihood of catching flu.

But I can't think how it can make sense to think of the two competing. Catching Covid doesn't doesn't stop you catching fu, or the other way about.Even at the same time. Though any boost to the immune system generated by one could possibly give you some protection from the other, and that would apply with vaccinations against either.

But flu hasn't been taking time off and regrouping. I don't think there is any reason to expect next witer¡s to be particularly But of course it always could be. Get your flu vaccine in October!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 06:17 PM

The New Scientist has warnings from those wot reelly hunderstand pandemics.

And the message is that H1N1 (aka 'flu) has not circulated in anything like numbers this it normally does, because COVID is dominating, maybe out-competing (he said allegorically). So when (not if) it re-surfaces the general public's immunity will have faded and the virus will have mutated beyond the vaccine and that's when we call it a pandemic. OK maybe a small one, but you get the message, it won't be insignificant.

Bill Gates predicted a serious pandemic that would cost the US $2-$3 trillion, 5 years previous to COVID (and the current cost is????)

So should we be asking Bill for another prediction?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 01:35 PM

The nose knows

https://neurosciencenews.com/covid-smell-loss-20007/amp/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 09:58 AM

Here are some pictures of flu viruses.

Quite pretty r eally. You could hang them on a Christmas Tree.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 05:56 AM

You mean WHAT IF johnson hadn't of treated the threat with contempt at the start of the pandemic and decided that it was not as important as his divorce settlement?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 05:39 AM

Steve is right that I was being contentious but pandemics have lots of guess work. 2 years ago we guessed this would last 4 years and diminish. Now it may never really go away but we can still pretend it is. Great things can happen with a simple speculatiive 'WHAT IF'.
So posts of great hope are appreciated and welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 04:22 PM

What does the influenza virus look like?
Influenza virus has a rounded shape (although it can be elongated or irregularly shaped) and has a layer of spikes on the outside. There are two different kinds of spikes, each made of a different protein – one is the hemagglutinin (HA) protein and the other is the neuraminidase (NA) protein.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 02:08 PM

I've seen lots of drawings of viruses with grinning faces and teeth and little legs . But somehow I suspect that they were never intended to be taken as illustrations of what viruses actually look like, but rather as metaphorical in nature. And I took Donuel's post in the same sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 11:49 AM

Mrrzy, over the years so many Mudcatters have posted links to The Guardian that I decided to contribute a modest amount quarterly so they let me read the news. (They let me choose the interval - very civilized - not dictating how much or how often, just "please contribute.")


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 11:19 AM

Yes the flu is the flu. Simply put, Vaccines can block the various tails of the flu virus but there have been none for the "head" of the virus ...yet. The vaccines for SARs covid 19 block the spike protiens but not the sphere of the body of the virus...yet.
A general vaccine may be a promising avenue to pursue but so is a manned mission to Titan. Its in a planning phase.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 10:54 AM

One. Single. Nasal. Droplet. Is Enough To Infect!

Blicky to a Guardian article. Let me know if there is a paywall.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 09:06 AM

Flu is not caused by a coronavirus. I'm not sure that Dr Fauci's difficulties inform the work on covid-19 vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 08:57 AM

That's a better listen than the radio broadcast. The professor is an excellent and lucid communicator, I must say (like all us products of Imperial College, of course!). I think we can all feel just a tad more hopeful for the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 08:47 AM

Dr. Fauci has tried to develop a general vaccine for the base protiens in the flu virus for decades without success.
I will never say it can't be done.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 08:28 AM

rare natural immunity


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 07:18 AM

Nice news, Steve Shaw. I had not seen that yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 05:47 AM

Regarding NRA types, they are now becoming 'rule by bomb threat types'.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 04:47 AM

Professor Ajit Lalvani at Imperial College is involved in intriguing research on natural immunity to covid-19. He was on the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 (at about 8.37 am UK time). He has been investigating people who have been in close contact with infected people (for example, in the same household) but who don't develop the infection. He found that some of those people had memory T-cells effective against covid-19 that could have been generated by previous exposure to common cold coronaviruses (around a fifth of common colds are caused by coronaviruses). The picture is not at all black and white, but there is the basis for further promising research that could, conceivably, lead to a new generation of vaccines that would be variant-proof. Watch that space.

You can google his name and include the word "covid" to get several references.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 02:58 PM

I don't count the 300-500 thousand deaths that was pre vaccine and the early Trump fairy tales of denials. All the people who got the mandatory 4 vaccines for their kids to go to school and now believe in the facebook vaccine myths are more than confused. That we now bypass incubating virus in 'dirty' chicken eggs, with the mrna method we are actually a whole lot safer.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 03:15 PM

As of today:

WorldOMeter - a site I haven't seen before. [907,956]

CDC Data Tracker [879,971]

A difference of about 28,000 between these two sites.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 02:01 PM

I thought the total deaths for the last 2 years in the US was 750,000 plus. Fauci doesn't exaggerate, surely?

Anyway there are researchers calling for proper trials following statistics that hint that CBD can lesson the impact of COVID. Not a miracle cure, in fact the scientist interviewed was quick to point out vaccines, masks, social distance etc, were the primary line of defence.

CBD is known to be an anti-inflamatory, and that will be the focus of research. MSNBC video

And before anyone jumps to the conclusion about marijuana, the answer is NO. THC inhibits the action of the CBDs.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:10 PM

”My country has a half million dead from a self inflicted wound that was inspired by Trump and big government propoganda which is paid for by the corporate private golf club types.”

Don’t forget the NRA types…


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:07 PM

My country has a half million dead from a self inflicted wound that was inspired by Trump and big government propoganda which is paid for by the corporate private golf club types.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 08:52 AM

It'll be years before that kind of stuff will be sorted out about comparative figures. In fact I
Rather doubt they ever will be. But it's pretty clear our record is pretty bad.

I agree that the most important statistic is the one that you quoted about most seriously ill with covid being unvaccinated.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 06:11 PM

Seriously ill with covid-19, obviously.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 06:09 PM

One of the things we need to do, Kevin, is to assess the different ways in which countries measure COVID-19 deaths. That is not to say that I want to minimise our rotten record, but comparing like for like is pretty important. I've said before that measuring excess deaths over what would normally be expected on a seasonal basis would be one informative measure, though it would by no means tell the whole story.

An interesting statistic I saw somewhere last week is that approximately half the people in hospital with COVID-19 were actually admitted for something else. I also note that the Beeb, for the last week or more, has been qualifying the "deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test" by saying that some of those may have died of other causes. It took the Beeb at least 18 months to come up with that entirely appropriate caveat.

I had the misfortune to have to spend the day today in A&E in Barnstaple. For several hours I had to watch a silent TV screen that was giving out lots of covid messages. The one that struck me most of all was given by a doctor who was showing us that almost everyone seriously ill in his hospital wards was unvaccinated. That's the kind of message we need to being going large with.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 05:30 PM

It is worth remembering that the death rate in this country has been pretty well the highest relative to population in the whole world - and massively higher than any other island.

Maybe delaying introducing lockdown, and relaxing them early, which seems to have been government policy throughout, were in no way factors in that high death rate.   Those were the calls made by the Prime Minister.

On the other hand, the one outstanding success of tge pandemic, the vaccine programme was the achievement of scientists technicians, NHS staff and volunteers, and the good sense of ordinary people, who ignored the attempts of ordinary people, and came for their jabs.

But in any case, that's talking about the past. A very much delayed inquiry into what happened is due to come this year which will help in finding out the truth about those kind of issues. The important thing is to be as ready as possible for whatever may be coming.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 01:42 PM

Before we move to stringent precautions again (I assume you mean more lockdowns, school closures, bans on mixing with friends and relatives, closing down all our cultural outlets, etc.), I think we should take a cool step back and ask ourselves whether all we've done so far has been worth it in terms of reducing deaths, assessed alongside the incredible damage that has been done to people's lives and the economy (which we will be paying handsomely for for years or decades), and whether we want to expose ourselves to that damage all over again. My view, unpopular though it be, is that the vaccines have changed the balance of the whole game, and that we should in future persuade people by public information campaigns to keep their jabs up to date and to use their own judgement and appeal to their sense of responsibility. Anything harsher, all over again, is going to feel like collective punishment.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 09:34 AM

All those things. But also to be prepared to move sharply up to much more stringent precautions in future if that proves necessary, and that requires that there should be some possibility that most people put at least some trust in the government.

That has to be true at all times. It was obvious that we could expect a major pandemic at some time - and that's not hindsight, it was what has been widely predicted by experts in the field for decades. In fact it's been clearly obvious since the 1919 hecatomb, or indeed since the Black Death.   

In a way we have been quite lucky with Covid, with its "relatively" low mortality, especially with younger adults and especially children. Next time it could be far worse. Fortunately we are potentially better equipped to respond, thanks to the advances made in developing vaccines. Unfortunately we are collectively all too likely to think it's all done and dusted, and we've a government that is probably eager to encourage us in this.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 08:00 AM

So what do you think "staying ready" means?

Work has to continue on the next generation of vaccines...

We can spend the rest of lives forever wondering whether there's an apocalypse round the corner. Or should we try to get back to something resembling normal? Just remember what damage all the lockdowns and restrictions are doing to people's physical and mental health and to the economy - jobs, cost of living, etc., and to children's schooling. The vaccines should be restoring our sense of balance. Staying ready, to me, is overwhelmingly a matter of having up-to-date vaccines and rolling them out. And by public health messages telling us how to help to stop the virus and how to be kind to each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 07:46 AM

The variants are going to keep coming, and there could always be one that is more transferable - and even worse, more deadly as well. Which is why it is important to stay ready. And for the UK, to have a government which is capable of being trusted, however unlikely that might be.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 07:32 PM

"The World Health Organization has not labeled BA.2 a variant of concern." (yesterday).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 06:59 PM

Omicron and its 'children' are 99.9% of the covid strains in America.
2,000 deaths per day are ebbing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 05:07 PM

The new variant of omicron doesn't seem to be much of a game-changer. Get the jabs (which are more effective against the variant-variant than they are against omicron) and relax, sort of, at least for now.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 04:48 PM

The speed at which these variants are turning up and spreading makes it feel like we're watching water circling the drain and it's getting faster as the unvaccinated and uninfected population level in the tub drops.

We heard about Omicron BA.2 last week. This from today's Dallas Morning News
Researchers confirmed two cases of BA.2, a sub-lineage of the omicron variant, through sequencing at the University of Texas Southwestern on Thursday.

Scientists discovered the sub-lineage in December, shortly after the original omicron lineage, called BA.1, was identified. Recent spread of the sub-lineage led the U.K. Health Security Agency to designate BA.2 as “under investigation.”

Public health experts are monitoring the strain as it spreads in several European and Asian countries. BA.2 is believed to be more transmissible than BA.1, but not much else is known about the variant.

In Denmark, BA.2 jumped from 20% of COVID-19 cases in the last week of December to 45% of cases in the second week of January, according to Danish public health organization Statens Serum Institut.

Fewer than 100 cases of BA.2 have been reported in the U.S., a mere fraction of the more than 660,000 omicron cases detected in the country in the last week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

While BA.2 has the potential to take over omicron as the dominant variant in the U.S., it’s too early to tell what impact the sub-lineage will have on the pandemic, said Dr. Wesley Long, medical director of diagnostic microbiology at Houston Methodist.

“In the U.S., we have to wait and see what the story is on BA.2 and how it compares to BA.1,” he said. “It’s worth keeping an eye on right now.”

Here’s what experts know so far about the sub-lineage — and what they know about other future COVID-19 variants.

Today we find that it is circulating in at least half of the states in the US.

Here we go again.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 04:04 PM

New variant, more contagious.

One blicky.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 01:26 PM

Regarding the other pandemic, clinical trials of an mrna vaccive for HIV have begun.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 01:16 PM

Repeat Omicron infection could be long covid, we still don't know.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 09:13 AM

Ok. My last poat was actual news. Nothing since has been. Should there be a different thread for news on the pandemic and leave this one to complain about each other?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 07:49 AM

I'm pretty confident that wearing a mask will have significantly reduced the likelihood of picking up a cold, though I'd imagine other covid related stuff, notably social distancing and pub closures etc will have played a major part. Maybe the medical statisticians will try to measure those kind of things.

But in any case, insofar as people identify mask-wearing as saving them from colds, that is going to encourage them to continue to wear masks. It won't be everyone, but I anticipate that a relatively long consequence of the pandemic will be that mask wearing will have been normalised. Maybe, in the same way you can date a crowd picture by how many men are wearing cloth caps, you'll be able to do the same by looking for masks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 22 - 05:36 AM

What contributes to people of our age not catching colds has everything to do with the fact that we've already had most of the strains that are going round. What helps is the fact that most of us have not been going to pubs, theatres and restaurants. Also, older people mix less with children, major transmitters of cold viruses. Unlike the covid-19 virus, many cold viruses can survive for a long time on all kinds of surfaces. Picking the germs up on your hands then touching your eyes, nose or mouth is a great way of catching a cold. The relative importance of airborne transmission versus contact hasn't been determined.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 04:31 PM

”The number of colds and coughs I've had over the past couple of years has gone right down…I like not having a cold."

Quite so, Kevin. I haven’t had a cold for two years now - my last cold was early January, 2020. I’m persuaded that, along with the reduction in socialising since the start of the pandemic, wearing a mask in public has contributed to my remaining free from colds and/or other respiratory infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 08:49 AM

I'd be inclined to call it "sensible and socially responsible". In my opinion, obviously.

I suspect that mask wearing could continue to be quite widespread in our society - as someone in a story in today's Guardian says "i think I'll keep wearing one for the foreseeable. The number of colds and coughs I've had over the past couple of years has gone right down…I like not having a cold."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 07:16 AM

Plenty of sensible people still masking-up in the Backwoods branches of Mozzer’s and Tesco this morning. Also in the town centre. Surprised and delighted.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 05:59 AM

Of course not, Kevin, but then we are in the realms of making moral judgements (or simply not giving a damn) rather than either adhering, or not, to imposed rules or laws. We can't micromanage every aspect of life via rules and must rely on "better nature." My point being that people's better natures are there to be appealed to. Maybe we should be trying harder as a society to do that. I'll shortly be venturing to Morrisons with trepidation (mask in pocket...)


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