BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:58 AM

Reason, Don? Moi? naaawww... ;>)


Well, Gillymor... what 'we should' do is an interesting game to play, but my reading of history is that most advances... from the bow & arrow to the sailing ship to the cotton gin to a better mouse trap.... were in pursuit of a goal by someone seeking his own advantage.

As a matter of fact, I very much doubt that I...OR Musk.. will ever see a colony on Mars....but developing the ship to make the trip and (hopefully return) will provide data useful for 'other stuff'.

   I have read science fiction for almost 70 years and am quite aware that it is far easier to imagine certain advancements than to actually figger out how to do them... but Arthur C. Clarke anticipated several that are now a regular part of things.
I firmly **believe** that in trillions of stars in billions of galaxies, there are... or have been... other sentient species. I just don't believe that we will ever contact them... or that any of them are sneaking around in saucers watching us.
Maybe we will mine asteroids or put some sort of 'base' on the moon... but unless we achieve population control, all those ideas are moot.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:29 PM

Gilly
Even the human body makes gamete cells for the future while currently healing elsewhere.

Having an 'either or' attitude or a 'one thing at a time' concept is rather [antiquaited].

We have gone from the stone, bronze, iron, electronic, analog and digital age to arrive in the quantum age which has 3 choices instead of 2.

Simply put; be the tornado, not the trailer park.

As for sci fi , it is the conceptual half of the research Department

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:04 PM

My interest in sci-fi peaked with the last episode of Star Trek when I was about 14 but I'll concede that the Earth might have a slight radius to it.
Last winter I was standing on Collins Ave. in Miami Beach during a spring tide and the water was above my ankles. I never experienced any thing like that when I lived there 30 years ago. I know it's not as sexy to sci-fi geeks (I use that term affectionately) as a rocket ride for the well-heeled but maybe we should be doing something a bit lower tech like dike and levee building around oastal towns at a much more rapid pace than we're doing now.Or we could just have have E Musk whip us up a variable levitation device to raise and lower buildings with the tide.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:38 PM

I'm glad you are on terra firma for now. The sins of the past that got us where we are, are not all our own but you are correct about where we go now. Levees is old thinking however. Its like leaving the refridgerator door open to cool global warming. Answers are abundant and require a united front, whatever that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 03:36 PM

Miami Beach is like King Canute right now... they..and New Orleans...etc... are sweeping back the tides and hoping Antarctica doesn't melt TOO much in their lifetime.
   When I worked a year for the EPA 45 years ago we saw a film about land use and building in flood plains. The dire predictions were mostly ignored as people invented cleverer ways to emulate King Canute... but global warming plus population growth has seen to it that there are very few places to retreat to when large areas become inhospitable. Canadians better be ready to build a border wall... ;>(

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 10:07 PM

There he goes again. What is he going to pull next? Logic?

As you know it takes time for the giant turtle that holds the earth up to back away from the hot sun. Turtles are slow, get used to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:17 AM

Now let me see, what large self-indulgent mega-city was awash with water from a storm surge recently? Is this a cluette, a mini-hint, a neo-nudge? That a lot NY will have to evacuate permanently by 2050 (OK 2070 but what's the difference?) I hope Liberty can swim.

Musk is doing something about it. Only a man with such determination "to see it through" - as all his family & cousins have done from the day they could knock on doors selling chocolate eggs (see his Wiki). Who else would have the audacity to take on entrenched auto makers and make them look like they don't know what they are doing. Fergawd'ssake Fiat/Chrysler are paying him money to offset their lack of environmental vehicles! They are paying him money which he can invest in manufacturing to out-compete them! Only one with such an ego can muster that kind of chutzpah.

If he wants to make loadsa money by making cheap space flights - it comes with the package that is also doing something about the world's (mostly USA) love affair with fossil fuels and CO₂

Snipe at him all you want, and ask what your contributions to reducing CO₂ emissions are. Walk instead of the car? Thought not, better your car is less polluting, and who will we thank for that? GM/Ford when they wake up? Toyota when they stop the mendacious "self-charging hybrid" nonsense?

We don't have to laud Musk as a saint, but recognise what he is giving us, and what he takes is but a small token by comparison.

PS did I mention anything about the continuity of the grid and Tesla's Powerwall?

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:32 AM

As I told Bill I have no problem with that brilliant pothead (this from a MM user) and applaud him for his work with electric cars but I begrudge every one of my tax dollars that the U.S. spends on space travel that does not directly benefit the restoration of a safe and viable planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:14 AM

Research by the government began the process of putting that smart phone in your pocket. We do not know where pure research will lead but it has a positive outcome overall. Research is something I know about at least on an administrative basis. This may put gilly and I on opposite ends of the rainbow, but it is still the same rainbow. Without your tax dollar fraction that goes to research I seriously doubt our survival. I have doubts that your bigoted attitude toward space research endeavors will ever change in your lifetime. Will it matter? Not really. So lets have another beer.
Actually I do not like beer, it tastes spoiled. Does it matter? Not really.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:25 AM

There is an element of fiddling while Rome burns amongst you Musk fanboys.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:26 AM

the inability to chew gum AND walk is prevalent among Elon deniers. ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM

"Elon deniers". The cult of personality has got hold of you, boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:05 PM

Musk fanboys? I told you you are locked into an opinion for life.
One reason the 83 billion we give away for research never gets its due, is because everytime a new discovery is announced, the university or corporation never mention where they got the money. Independant significant research without governmnt $ really doesn't exist.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:09 PM

With the exception of Elon who did much of the early groundwork on his own, the advancement of science is soley dependent on the government.
Ya get watcha pay for.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:10 PM

You bonehead, go back and read what I wrote. Actually don't bother, I forgot that old adage, "Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:35 PM

That sounds like a man who is determined to not change his mind.
Which I knew all along. Giving away 83 Billion dollars for research is a hard job and makes some folks angry. Perhaps you are reading my words with an imagined voice of malice. It should be read as a patient humorous sounding voice with a touch of exasperation.
The grants we are responsible for are not space projects but medical research alone. You should see the military budget!

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:50 PM

Once again, read what I wrote, bonehead. You're ascribing arguments to me that I've not been making which is a tactic you use occasionally for gawd knows what reason. Now I'm done with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:42 AM

It is true I am expanding and changing the conversation tp what I know more about. In the old days when IBM was making Moon Shot computers there were were many who thought space programs were a waste of money.
I always read your posts, particularly about baseball.
If you really want a response about personality cults I was a fan of Obama. As for Musk, to me his personality seems as devoid and distracted as Zuckerberg but I have only heard him rarely.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 03:32 AM

Give musk a break. His mission statement is to rid the world of gas-guzzling vehicles. Particularly in the USA.
Ya need vision to do that, and a huge big lever. And along the way ya have to fight with the opposition's weapons to some extent. He ain't perfect, but he is effective.

How many can start a software company, sell it,
co-found a money-handling company, sell it,
start a spaceship company in opposition to entrenched establishment,
propel a car making company in opposition to entrenched establishment, and be successful at each?
Rockerfeller, Ford, Vanderbuilt were pretty mono-culture by comparison.

He is even more - boring!

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Mossback
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 01:58 PM

Yeah, good old Elon- what a great guy! Maybe he'll give his employees a break......

In mid-May, CEO Elon Musk announced on Twitter that he was defying Alameda County shelter-in-place order and restarting production at the Alameda County Tesla factory, which employs more than 10,000 people. On his Twitter account, Musk said he will be “on the [assembly] line with everyone else,” and stated that he was willing to be arrested for the noble “cause” of restarting production. Musk filed a lawsuit against Alameda County for injunctive relief and threatened to take his factory to another state, then took a jab at the Alameda County’s interim health officer, Dr. Erica Pan, whom Musk called “ignorant.”

Previously, Musk expressed repeated disdain for the virus or the potential for a pandemic (i.e. “the coronavirus panic is dumb“) mirroring much of the American right, who value economic activity over lives and pivoted their politics to that effect, in defiance of scientific evidence and models.

The Trumpian head-in-sand attitude coming from Musk is unsurprising. As I’ve written before, Musk and Trump have much in common: they’re both entitled, wealthy businessmen who profit off the backs of a vast underclass — which is why Musk played the victim card when his factory couldn’t operate during shelter-in-place.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/silicon-valley-rips-off-the-mask-as-tech-ceos-veer-right-amid-political-turmoil/

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 02:01 PM

Is re entry for Space X problomatic in any way?

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:47 AM

COVID-19 is bad, but it won't do for the human race.
Climate change will.
Unless Musk can convince enough climate change deniers (& do nothingers) that electric vehicles, and personal electricity generation & storage are gonna make a change.

But the good news is, the planet will survive. For a few billion years that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Upcoming crewed Space-X launch 27/5/20
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:19 AM

The planet will survive but it will survive without our descendants if we don't start taking this seriously and act as good stewards for their sake. I don't see that as good news in any way shape or form.

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Closed, because we seem to be done talking about the "Upcoming crewed Space-X launch" and this has become an opportunity to post somewhat related flame bait.