Foul-mouthed Folkies

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:57 PM

Yes Starship, but most words have a specific meaning especially when applied to material things, or actions. There are a whole list of words which have had their meaning changed to serve a political purpose over the last twenty years. My point regarding music, poetry and the performing arts is that specific words describing femininity, the sexual act, and people who through no fault of their own find themselves fatherless, are being used by performers either to create a shock effect or as terms of vicious abuse. Using these words in such a manner is insulting in the extreme.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 02:02 PM

I suspect Burns in the Merry Muses was employing much the same tactics as the so called comedians and entertainers of the 21st century.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 02:02 PM

Never met Jimmy Reid, did he not become Labour party MP? but did know his wife and sister-in-law, used to give them bookings.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,Kenny B(Inactive)
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 02:13 PM

To add a source of humour for those who like that sort of thing

Im sorry I hav'nt a Clue BBC Radio Programme

Old words Redefined ….. worth waiting for

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:05 PM

It becomes pointless whan people decide to be judge, jury and executioner to a laughably developed to serve the funtion of ordinary people and refuse to justify why
Mary Whitehouse would have married you pair and had your babies without a second thought
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Paul Reade
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:25 PM

I think this is an age thing. The bus I used to get to work every morning was full of school children, probably 6th formers, and the language, from both boys and girls, was full of "f*****g", c**t etc.- just seemed part of their normal speech.

The thing that puzzled me was … what on earth do they say if they want to swear?

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:34 PM

I think they resort to Latin et irrumabo eruit.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 03:36 AM

Obscenity is whatever happens to shock some elderly and ignorant magistrate.

— Bertrand Russell, 1872-1970, British philosopher
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George Bernard Shaw        Vulgarity is a necessary part of a complete author's equipment; and the clown is sometimes the best part of the circus.

— George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish writer, Nobel 1925

Foul language is the prerogative of   a Bird Brain, Dick Miles 2020

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 04:16 AM

"Foul language is the prerogative of   a Bird Brain, Dick Miles 2020"
Wouldn't say you were a bird-brain Dick, but I don't agree with you
You do realise ou are saying the opposite of Shaw, don't you
Paul Reade hits te nail square on the head - gratuitous swearing is useful words being wasted by being used badly

Some vintage 'filth' from THE master of the art, John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester - well worth digging out to see how 'bad language' can be used to cover every subject, including politics

From 'The Mock Song [1680]

Were all my body larded o'r
With das of love so thick,
That you might find in every pore
A well-stuck standing prick,
Whilst yet my eyes alone were free,
My heart would never doubt.
In amorous rage and ecstasy, *
To wish those eyes, to wish those eyes fucked out.”

On Cary Frazier" [?1677]
Cary Frazier, Maid of Honor to Queen Catherine and a celebrated beauty of the Court of Charles II, was the daughter of Sir Alexander Frazier, the King’s principal physician. Her mother was one of the Queen’s Dressers.

Her father gave her dildoes six
Her mother made ’em up a score
But she loves nought but living pricks,
And swears by God she’ll frig no more.

On 'Mrs. Willis (Sept 1680 [Uncertain]

Against the charms our ballocks have
How weak all human skill is,
Since they can make a man a slave
To such a bitch as Willis

Jim

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:29 AM

"Starship" mentioned Latin, which I did for a year at secondary school. I got into trouble once when I was asked to translate into Latin "They lead" - ( "third-person plural present active indicative)*"
[ * - I had to look this up to check ]

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 06:25 AM

I just thought it was a god one liner

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 08:30 AM

"I just thought it was a go(o)d one liner"
It was Dick, Shaw was renowned for them, but it needs to be remembered he wasn't always serious
Jim

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:29 PM

What did Francis Drake drake say to the Doctor , I could do with a Daffy Duck.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,Some bloke
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:00 PM

I think twice before swearing in a sing around. On stage, it is a tool that when used appropriately and seldom, can be most effective.

At home I'm a foul mouthed fucker though....

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: GUEST,GuestTF
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 10:50 AM

Akenaton, I worked with Hamish a lot. That parody of 'Black Velvet Band' finished with 'Held up by a big navvy's haun'. I never heard him say 'darkie's'.
As an aside I also did a couple of performances of 'The Merry Muses' with Fred freeman. Bit difficult to avoid swearies in that.

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Joe_F
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:45 PM

"Vulgarity is the garlic in the salad of taste."

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 08:09 AM

" but "Darkie" was not considered abusive in these days, "
Not in certain quarters but generally it has always been regarded as abusive when applied to the colour of people's skin
It had a wider use, of course
Jim

Subject: RE: Foul-mouthed Folkies
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:39 AM

In about 1960 I heard Peggy Seeger swearing in the Green Room at Hamilton Folk Club, in the days when Tommy Kearney used to run it. Now I was brought up around men who used swear words like punctuation, but women swearing was a different thing, it wasn't common, but the women who did it were considered to be so. It put me off Peggy, and to this day, I still hate to hear women curse and swear, just a bit old fashioned I suppose. Last time I worked in an office which was about 13 years ago, the girls in there were just as bad as the men for swearing, I hated it.