BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 02:59 PM

Sorry it was robo who asked the questionable question

In the labor riot days it was SOP to hire goons to cause enough trouble to respond with fatal force. Some things don't change.
I need to find out more too.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 06:07 PM

The only question I see from him is a (definitely facetious) "are you gonzo brilliant or merely random?"
In any case, he got some kind of an answer.

I watch the news, and it feels like the world is plummeting head-long into a pit full of flaming shit. I thought it was bad right after the election, but just when I think it couldn't get any worse...
The problem may be that the news is about things way bigger than I can do anything about, and it's frustrating. I think it's time to skim the news and concentrate on things I have some control over. Little things. Like making tomato sandwiches.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 06:59 PM

I will now spread misinformtion.
If one repeats what the President of the USA says one would in fact be spreading misinformation so I will repeat that "the protestors are professional anarchists and tare-oar-wrists" DJT

Watching smart phone videos it is clear who the terrorists are.
Also today I was challenged to find Trump boringly utter one true fact about the pandemic.

Even John Meechum said he did not want to sound like an alarmist   but the Constitution does not say who enforces the requirement that the President leaves at noon on January 20th.
Humbly ;^/
I wrote a fictional piece of how a Army private cornered Trump in the kitchen and Donald explained that he was only the look alike...

Should the seargent at arms have that duty, secret service, Supream Court Justice Ginsburg, Mitch McConnel, Pense, Obama, Biden, Barr - no one knows.

I bet this guy
could do it

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 08:37 PM

The most likely answer is Secret Service, who have been screwed out of money, overtime, budget, and endless golf fees.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in 5Portland Oregon
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 07:28 AM

Jeri, I get the impression that most of what happens in these demonstrations, is peaceful and uplifting. The violence is also there, but on a small scale. But Trump doesn't want you to see the positive side of these demonstrations. He wants you to think the demonstrators are hordes of violent anarchists.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 11:39 AM

I am sure that most of the demonstrators are good people. However, my newspaper had a photograph taken late at night in Portland, showing "demonstrators" pushing at the temporary fence around the courthouse. I studied it.

Unlike most demonstrators, these were all male. Two of them wore heavy work gloves and thick, dark clothes. Who wears heavy gloves in July? I have no doubt that if they had broken through, they would commit mayhem in the courthouse.

Whose cases would they be interfering with? Just based on my general reading, these are examples of federal cases: embezzlement, financial fraud, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, racketeering (gangsters), terrorism such as bombing. No intelligent, decent person would want to see crimes like this go unpunished.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 07:38 PM

I am under the impression that the phenomenon I call 'projecting' has expanded out of all proportion. By this I mean the preacher preaching to the choir gets them all excited by telling them how much the 'other' guy hates them and is plotting against them.

Years ago when we could all go outside and have fun in groups I went to Poor Richard's Faire in the Boston Area. Sort of a Renaissance Fair with jousting and mummers and there was this pair of performers calling themselves mudeaters. They had arranged about a hundred seats with a big aisle down the middle. Each one exhorted his half of the onlookers to hate and despise the other set. So they had each his own cheering section. This took very little time before we were ready to outshout the evil other side of the aisle. It's related to the saying that in a town one lawyer will starve but two will grow fat.

In this case there are thousands of preachers and they all are using the internet and the other side of the aisle can be anywhere in the world wide web.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 08:40 PM

No doubt. But in my city, a innocent protester lost an eye when pepper-sprayed close up. Cars have been set on fire, windows smashed, stores ransacked, police pelted with rocks. More than once, cars have tried to drive into crowds. When things like this happen, something needs to be done besides talking about psychology.

I have every sympathy with those protesting the death of George Floyd, but I have my doubts about those doing it in the middle of the night.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 10:15 PM

As moderator of a site on higher education, I get to follow various "news and opinion" sites. I find that Dershowitz appears consistently on the right Wing sites. Calling himself a liberal is ludicrous. As with all of us [almost] he is made up of opinions about subjects. In his case, most of them seem to favor the "fa" side of the ledger.
A prime example of his thinking is his argument that 45 could not be convicted because, as president, if he does it for what he considers good and sufficient reasons, then his behavior is legal. Rather twisted, what?

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Neil D
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 12:06 PM

In darker moments I wonder if Trump hopes to use antifa threats as his version of the Reichstag fire. Then I wonder if some of the violent protestors are agents provocateur.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 12:35 PM

Funny you should mention that. My disturbing thought popped up while watching "The Liar Tweets Tonight" about the mighty White House, with reference to the anthem, and thinking what would happen when he loses both the popular and the electoral college election processes. I was going to keep it to myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 12:36 PM

The Beeb is currently broadcasting a piece about Q-Anon.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 07:07 PM

When the feds were here, the protests were all peaceful, until the police decided (usually without warning) they weren't. And yes, the ones in the middle of the night are legitimate, not sure why anyone would doubt that. This is a fight that's been in the making for 400 years.

Tear Gas Ted got his photo op, so he could look like he was doing something other than egging the pigs on. There's a new police chief who, himself, choked out a teenage girl at her high school, because she dared not go to detention.

Portland is as liberal as it gets, and the PPB's violent response to anyone questioning their authority only proves it.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 11:37 AM

I've read that the Feds pulled out? Is this the case?

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 02:42 PM

Portland first came to my attention due to the bonkers supernatural TV series "Grimm"..

Since then, it reminded me more and more of our radical 'alternatve' city, Bristol..

.. the British City that dumped the slaver Colston statue in the river,
kicking off a long overdue trend...

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Amergin
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 03:42 PM

The feds pulled out, but and it was peaceful for a couple nights, then, last night the thugs in the PPB were right back to their dirty tricks. At this point, they're just fighting for the right to murder and brutalise people without civilian oversight.

Several members of this police force have ties to the Proud Weenies and Patriot Tantrum.