BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 06:18 PM

There's an interesting column by Thomas Friedman using the argument that the Fed Administration under the Current Occupant is using unrest in Portland as a 'wag-the-dog' tactic to gather support for the November elections. While cynical, it gains its credibility by violence among the protestors, or instigated in the protester's names.

While I was initially motivated to write about an incident where the police wounded someone with a "non-lethal" weapon, what is happening is far more complicated by the presence of multiple levels of government enforcement, not at all coordinated, and indeed even possibly in opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 04:25 PM

Yeah, this is baad, m'kay?

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 10:04 AM

Much of this is crafted by AG Barr. He is claiming they are protecting Federal buildings/monuments in cities of their choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 09:45 AM

Not for a riot, he can't. Read the Constitution! The Pres can call out the militia for a war or rebellion, and then the federal government must pay them and treat them like regular troops. Within a state he can't even declare martial law -- only the Governor can do that, and then the NG would go in first. Examine the riots of the 1960s -- Watts, Chicago, Detroit. Federal troops were used ONLY after the request of the Governor and aas back-up for the NG. I know; I was there.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 08:00 AM

Trump can federalize a state's national guard but a govenor must ask.
The last time it was done was by our old friend George W in 1992 in the LA California racism riots.

In Chicago suppose the govenor orders the National Guard to stand down but Trump orders them to Chicago. What happens?
This could be a camoflaged dress rehearsal for this November.
In the event Trump loses the election he could send National Guard troops to our cities if they prove loyal in this latest threat to Chicago.
The last civil war officially began in Fort Sumpter.
Where will it be in November?

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 07:20 PM

All the reports mention border patrol and ICE

"Ask not what I can do for you.
Ask what I will do to you"

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 06:15 PM

THESE ARE NOT MILITARY TROOPS! They are not National Guard. They are, basically, untrained in crowd control. They would be the "open fire" sort that blackened the Guard's reputation at Kent State.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 03:30 PM

A UK media perspective...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53473732

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 01:51 PM

??? These are not police being sent to Democratic cites to foment violence, they are a mix of Border patrol, ICE, and HLS.

The evolution of these unmarked "troops" are from; patrol to agents to guards to police to now Troops. Their mission excuse is to protect statues by beating gassing and kidnapping protestors in Minivans???.

The next city on the Trump list is Chicago. There I expect it will become a shooting war with martyrs and Trump retribution.
History repeats. Goons in military outfits but no armbands are but a missing link to Trump's Blackshirts.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland Oregon
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 09:54 AM

I posted about the Wall of Moms on the BLM thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 11:28 PM

Evidence shows Portland police working with federal officers at protests, contradicting city officials

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has repeatedly said the police force he oversees does not want or need the help of federal officers during nightly protests downtown.

But hours after Wheeler’s most recent public plea for federal agents to leave, Portland police advanced on protesters in a coordinated effort with federal officers. Friday wasn’t the first time Portland police worked in tandem with federal officers. Portland police and federal officers marched shoulder-to-shoulder early Sunday morning to disperse protesters downtown.

Yet Wheeler and the Portland Police Bureau have denied any role in the decisions and operations of federal officers first seen in Portland June 27.

In the three weeks since, Department of Homeland Security officers have drawn criticism for arresting Portlanders and loading them into unmarked minivans, leading to national outcry. A U.S. Marshals officer shot a 26-year-old protester, Donavan La Bella, in the face with an impact munition, critically injuring him. The federal forces have drawn widespread criticism for using chemical weapons and impact rounds, and otherwise physically engaging protesters who do not appear to be a threat.

Portland police have said they provided “help” to federal officers at their request on the night of La Bella’s shooting July 11. While testifying Friday to state lawmakers about the agency’s use of tear gas, Deputy Chief Chris Davis disclosed that a member of the Federal Protective Service is in the Portland Police command post during downtown demonstrations.

At a press conference happening the same time as the legislative hearing, Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell confirmed the two forces share real-time plans with one another.

It sounds like the mayor and the police chief have to sort things out.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: EBarnacle
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 10:25 PM

This is looking more and more like a rehearsal for November 3. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not counting on it. The Brownshirts are out.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 07:41 PM

Trump's federal officers are picking up peaceful protesters and it sounds like they're exacerbating things, trying to make things look worse so Trump can claim a law-and-order move by sending in feds.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 02:53 PM

Don't crush that dwarf hand me the pliers.

Subject: RE: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 02:28 PM

Yeah, I've been following this too. I think they're all bozos on that armored bus.

Subject: BS: Police violence in Portland ORegon
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jul 20 - 08:32 PM

Are there Mudcatters in or near Portland. I've been there a few times and in the last few weeks I was hearing right-wing opiners complaining that there were violent protests in the streets of Portland and the mass media were ignoring it.
Now comes this violence on the part of the municipal police. A non-lethal weapon used to break the head of a protester.
It's not quite the same thing but I remember in '03 when a Boston police officer killed a woman with a 'non-lethal' weapon by aiming at her head. She was an onlooker at a Red Sox street celebration. The Boston chief of police admitted right away that it was a misuse of weapon and a big mistake.

I'm not as aware of the situation in Portland, just that I've always found it a welcoming and relaxed city with room for political freedom in all directions.