BS: Toddler in Chief

Subject: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 06:39 AM

Very good article in the New Statesman for our US friends. Mentions the UK leadership in not too glowing a light too.

Toddler in Chief

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 06:51 AM

I don't see that the mention of the UK leadership is that bad:

It also remains to be seen whether, in a pandemic world, Brexit Britain has the same appetite to go it alone. Will it still yearn to chase the global dragons of “mercantilism” across the high seas, as Boris Johnson exuberantly imagined in the fantasy-filled Painted Hall at Greenwich’s Royal Naval College only three (long) months ago?

The comments on the EU are at least as deep-cutting:
That’s why Europeans should not assume that evicting the Toddler-in-Chief from the Oval Office would be any panacea. The calls for western Europe to do more for its own defence and security will increase whoever is president – Americans are no longer ready to “pay any price” and “bear any burden”, in Kennedyesque vein – while the EU must gear up as a serious decision-making body and transcend its recent sauve qui peut reaction to coronavirus. Both Nato and the EU matter more than ever as instruments of internationalism, but each is a mid-20th century institution that desperately needs reform and revitalisation.

Quotes included as there seems to be a paywall for those who want to read several items.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 07:02 AM

Whatever...

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 07:24 AM

This POV is like that of 4 years ago but the toddler has grown up to promote white nationalists, the klan and right wing militias who rush in to commit arson where ever demonstrations against another murder of blacks by cops, which are never ending, to incite a race war.
We have federalized untrained police in the streets to attack BLM demonstraters. Trump has moved on with his use of scapegoats from immigrants to NBA players and demonstrators to focus on fires, looting and killings as the fault of Democrats all while exacerbating a pandemic.

I've warned for 18 years of this day and it is now happening while closet conservatives here are happy to say this is misinformation.
Violence, chaos, disease are subjects abhorent to reasonable people but it is happening and all the claims of scaremongering and misinformation are moot.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 08:02 AM

The UK is not atop a cliff edge, it is in freefall. In the US the bodies are hitting the ground as in the new right wing folk hero, 17 year old Rittenhouse, who has killed peacefull demonstrators with his AK rifle.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 09:48 AM

The Rittenhouse affair is not as black-and-white as you say, Donuel; take a good look at the video and read the news accounts (not the opinion columns).

Kyle Rittenhouse definitely went looking for trouble, no doubt about it. But the video shows someone throwing a bag at him, and gunfire can be heard on the audio track -- apparently somebody nearby was popping off with a handgun. The incident will take some serious investigating before the ins and outs are fully clear. What, if anything, was in the bag? What, if anything, was said or done to provoke the throwing of the bag? Where was the shooter with the handgun? What else was happening in the immediate area?

The Wisconsin laws about citizen activism, self-defence and standing ground are all relevant here, and certainly will provide material for a robust defence that could actually fly.

Depending, of course, on what the prosecutor does with the over-arching problem of a 17-year-old boy from Illinois bringing a military-style weapon across a state line to a jurisdiction where the open-carry privilege starts at age 18.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 08:11 AM

fantasy-filled Painted Hall - damning, and not even with faint praise. IMNSHO.

Our Buffo-in-Chief just wanted to be Prime Minister. All else was feedstock to that end. And he and his advisors personal disregard for COVID is a good analogue to predicting their performance come 2021. The UK was heading for a dip in our fortunes as we counted the cost of Brexshit, and now COVID converts that to depression. fantasy-filled Painted Hall is a damn accurate allusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 09:14 AM

One hopes that Karma is keeping an eye on those crowds and acting appropriately. Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 09:45 AM

I don't see a bag but if you want to defend a double homicide as self defense after brandishing an AK in the street for 6 hours go ahead.
Everyone deserves a defense. Proving a hand gun attack or even a fire cracker will be tough.

My point is that in some quarters Rittenhaus is an honorable folk hero for defending police and property by shooting demonstrators who were certainly democrats.

The police in MWRAPS and military armored vehicles seemed unconcerned and unaware.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 04:58 PM

i saw it on chinese tv he was shot several times in the back after quietly getting in to the police car , a woman was standing near by who was shouting and jumping up and down, from the footage, i saw it was unnecssary to shoot him in the back. please do not try and tell me that the chinese video was a fake

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 05:02 PM

i am referring to the shooting of jacob blake

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 05:16 PM

charmion the shooter of the handgun who shot blake in the back was a white police officer

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 07:45 PM

Uh... I think we knew that. That was different than Rittenhouse and his assault weapon.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 11:29 PM

Dick, events are changing quickly in the US. Different night, different shooting.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 10:29 AM

Another one in Portland, but it's down to a Trump fanatic, not a cop.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 10:50 AM

The parallels to It Can't Happen Here are eerie, and getting weirder every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 11:16 AM

"The Office of the Director of National Intelligence has informed us that it will no longer provide briefings to Members of Congress, including the House and Senate Intelligence committees, on foreign efforts to interfere in our upcoming election. This is a shocking abdication of its lawful responsibility to keep the Congress currently informed, and a betrayal of the public’s right to know how foreign powers are trying to subvert our democracy. This intelligence belongs to the American people, not the agencies which are its custodian. And the American people have both the right and the need to know that another nation, Russia, is trying to help decide who their president should be."

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/29/trump-cancels-election-security-briefings.html If the paywall screen pops up, look at the bottom left and you should see the "continue w/o supporting this time" to read the article.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 03:58 PM

I pledge allegiance to the one who bought
The United States of America and to
the republic which he can't stand
One nation under Trump divisible forever
with capitol and justice for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 03:16 AM

not that it advances the Twitler story but has anyone seen this interview with David Cay Johnston - basically a low key promotion of the book (from before the last election), but a catalogue of Trump's sorry history in associating with/employing convicted felons (etc).

One thing that stuck out was the comment that Twitler knew very little, on any subject he tried to sound knowledgeable on. Johnston, in an interview, used the obvious ruse of using a falsehood to get the man to comment, who then riffed on the fake-fact like he was the authority. And it happened several times. Johnston was obviously just having a larf, and proving a point. As you do when confronted with opinionated people too lazy to learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 11:22 PM

Donald Trump has never been a very good Democrat.
Nor is he a good Republican although they are willing to ride his coat tails.
However he is a poor fascist despite his attacks on Democratic cities.
Hitler and Mussolini at least invested in infrastructure and jobs.
What has Trump built? A piece of a decrepid wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 11:47 AM

I finished reading It Can't Happen Here, and have to say that Lewis's 1935 dystopian novel has a disturbing number of similarities to today. I think the largest takeaway is that while Windrip thought he was president, it was his Secretary of State Lee Sarason managing the Corpo of corrupt appointees, supported by the volunteer Minute Men army who was the power behind that office. As things evolved people came and went in offices quickly . . . does any of this sound familiar? The Secy of State position in Trump's cabinet isn't the power this time, it's the senate leader, but McConnell has left Trump in place because it suits him to do so. End of that story.

It is a novel, it isn't a mirror reflection of today, it was written as a reaction to the Fascism and non-democratic Socialism raging through Europe at the time, leading up to WWII, that Sinclair in 1935 didn't predict. But he was close enough to some things to make this book remarkable today. The character development in that book was primarily around the protagonist Doremus Jessup, the main "character" is the political movement portrayed. Like reading Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, the conditions are the reason the characters exist at all, to travel through the circumstances as they existed at the time and give readers a good look around.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 11:36 PM

Sinclair does hold up a mirror to the extent that meatpackers today are the same class of poor immigrants of 100 years ago. The current FDA chief politcal appointees are as corrupt as Trump likes it, but not the underlings.

As for it can't happen here, I never doubted it would .

The Atlantic story of losers and suckers is all made up, says trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 11:47 PM

I'm hearing the discussion of that now on MSNBC. It's another awful thing that for any other president or candidate would be enough to topple a candidacy or drive them out of office. I really want to see the Teflon on Donald finally disappear and stop letting this shit slide off his back.

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 02:22 PM

Mentions the UK leadership in not too glowing a light too.
I'll settle for the mention of the UK. It seems to come out of the article better than the EU which is a "mid-twentieth century body desperately needing reform & revitalisation"

Subject: RE: BS: Toddler in Chief
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 02:57 PM

Trump has the power to change the 'internet rule' of the 1st person to bring up Hitler automatically loses the argument, to: the 1st person
to bring up Trump...

I understand non transactional sacrifice but those who gave their last full measure of devotion may not be lost equally. Falling at the battle of the bulge does seem different than one who fell in Grenada.
yeah I know, too soon and not funny. Its not patriotic when the orders to war are dishonorable from the outset by an idiot in charge.

Another toddler in the Congress is the Qanon lady, queen of conspiracies.