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The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'

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Tug the Cox 15 Nov 20 - 03:30 PM
Reinhard 15 Nov 20 - 04:07 PM
Joe Offer 16 Nov 20 - 02:08 AM
Joe Offer 16 Nov 20 - 03:43 AM
Reinhard 16 Nov 20 - 04:23 AM
Steve Gardham 16 Nov 20 - 11:15 AM
Tug the Cox 16 Nov 20 - 01:07 PM
Tug the Cox 16 Nov 20 - 01:10 PM
Reinhard 16 Nov 20 - 02:26 PM
Steve Gardham 16 Nov 20 - 03:47 PM
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Subject: The Lighthouse
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 03:30 PM

Just watched the recent film ' The Lighthouse' Set in the 1890's, yet the old sea dog character sings 'Homeward Bound', written by Ewan MacColl, and 'Monday Morning' written by Cyril Tawney. In the credits these songs were claimed as 'traditional', so I guess Ewan and Cyril's estates aren't getting royalties.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse
From: Reinhard
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 04:07 PM

Well, Homeward Bound as sung by Ewan MacColl on The Manchester Angel, *is* traditional (Roud 18905), dating back to before 1863 according to the Traditional Ballad Index.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 02:08 AM

Here's the "Homeward Bound" performance in the movie The Lighthouse:


Hurrah, we're homeward bound
Hurrah, we're homeward bound!

When we're arrived at Bedford docks
Them bloomers comin' out in flocks
Them pretty girls They all did say
"Here comes Jack with his nine-month pay"

Hurrah, we're homeward bound
Hurrah, we're homeward bound!


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 03:43 AM

I['m still looking, but it appears that "On a Monday Morning" may have been written by Cyril Tawney.

Here's his recording:

The lyrics for the song were posted here at Mudcat: /thread.cfm?threadid=60663

The lyrics:

    ON A MONDAY MORNING
    Cyril Tawney

    ^^^ Too soon to be out of my bed,
            To soon to be back at this bus queue caper,
    Or searching for change for my picture paper,
            On a Monday morning.

    Wrong end of the week for a smile,
            Wrong end of the day for being civil,
    There's many a Saint would be a devil,
            On a Monday morning.

    Where is the weekend now?
            Where is the Whiskey and beer I tasted?
    Gone the same way as the pay I wasted,
            On a Monday morning.

    If only the birds would booze,
            If only the sun was a party giver,
    If I could just lend someone else my liver,
            On a Monday morning.

    My lover she lies asleep,
            My lover is warm and her heart is mellow.
    I'd trade you the world just to share her pillow,
            On a Monday morning.

    Too soon to be out of my bed,
            To soon to be back at this bus queue caper,
    Or searching for change for my picture paper,
            On a Monday morning.


An incomplete copy of the lyrics is in the Digital Tradition.

But I haven't been able to find the song in "The Lighthouse" to see if it's the Cyril Tawney song or something else.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Reinhard
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 04:23 AM

According to The Lighthouse (2019) - full transcript ther3e are two verses sung:

If but the birds were gin
If but the sun were a hearty reveler
I might give someone else me liver
On a Monday morning

My lover, she lies asleep
My lover is warm and her heart is mellow
I would give the whole world
Just to share her pillow
On a Monday morning...


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 11:15 AM

There are other recent threads on 'Homeward Bound' written by William Upton c1800.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 01:07 PM

Found this   Ralph Vaughan Williams collected Homeward Bound in January 1905 from Mrs Betty Howard of King's Lynn, Norfolk [VWML RVW2/3/101] . Roy Palmer included this version in 1983 in his book Folk Songs collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams and Alan Helsdon did it in 2014 in his digital book Vaughan Williams in Norfolk. Palmer noted:


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 01:10 PM

There is no doubt about Monday Morning, however
Songs written by Cyril Tawney include:

Cheering the Queen
Chicken on a Raft [note 3]
Five-foot Flirt
Grey Funnel Line[note 4]
The Ballad of Sammy's Bar[9]
Stanley the Rat
The Lean and Unwashed Tiffy [note 5]
The Suit of Grey
The Oggie Man
On a Monday Morning
Notes


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Reinhard
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 02:26 PM

Steve, I'm a bit confused about Outward/Homeward Bound's three Roud numbers 927, 1104 and 18905. All include entries with the first line "Now to Blackwell Docks we bid adieu" or "At the Blackwall Docks we bid adieu" which don't look very different to me.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 03:47 PM

Hi Reinhard
I'll check em out and inform Steve in your name. That's the type of info we need. I find errors like this frequently but with 30,000 different songs it's easily done. I just send them off to Steve and they are corrected in the next edition.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 05:39 PM

Hi again Reinhard, I've sent Steve the info. I'm not sure what went wrong with 18905 but if Steve has never sung the song as I have, or come across it being sung, he maybe wouldn't recognise it. The confusion with the chanty 927 is easy to understand as some versions of the chanty actually use bits of 1104 and indeed it's possible the chanty evolved from 1104. All should be okay as soon as the next edition comes out and EFDSS get back to normal. If you come across any other examples please let us know either through me or direct to Steve.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 11:02 AM

Hi, Steve has put all of the 18905s with the 1104s and all of the obvious incorrect 927s have been moved into 1104, but he hasn't had time to check them all individually. They won't come up on the VWML indexes until we get access back.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: MartinNail
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 11:52 AM

Steve

The Roud indexes on the VWML site were updated a few week ago with an interim version. When Steve R releases his next version it should get up onto the site fairly quickly I believe.


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Subject: RE: The Lighthouse - 'Homeward Bound' 'Monday Morning'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 03:13 PM

That's great. Thanks, Martin. I keep meaning to get going on Cardbox but in reality I'm still using the VWML site. Years back I used to have an Access version which worked very well but changing computers I lost it.


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