BS: Black Anne Boleyn

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 02:06 AM

And wot U say to them wot ask abart Border Morris wiv thair sticks and faces coloured otherly?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 02:38 AM

how about MARTIN lUTHER KING played by WARREN MITCHELL, OR EVEN OSWALD MOSLEY

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 03:03 AM

IT surely is a question of what is appropriate and historically acurate , would you cast sidney poitier as the head of the ku klux klan?
should jesus christ be played by a Scotsman, fyfe roberston perhaps

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 11:33 AM

Warren Mitchell was as anti-racist as it gets. Somebody didn't notice that his Alf Garnett character was a sustained and brilliant pisstake.

Some thick-as-two-short-planks moderator hadn't even heard of him and was too lazy to look him up, hence deleted the comment where I pointed out that he could talk the same disgusting racist shit Bonzo here has been coming out with and make it parodic and funny. Rather than just disgusting racist shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 12:30 PM

"Some thick-as-two-short-planks moderator", Jack? Are you sure you want to go down that route? Maybe you should just storm off in a Diva style huff and unfriend them on Facebook rather than risk getting banned from here. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: meself
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 12:44 PM

"IT surely is a question of what is appropriate and historically acurate" - That would depend entirely on the nature of the production: if it is intended to be "historically acurate", then yes (I have no idea what "appropriate" means in this context). Although, having said that, I have often seen, in productions that purport to be straight-ahead history, wildly inaccurate representations of historical figures and heard no fuss about it.

Sidney Poitier (is he still alive?) as head of the KKK? Why not? That might make for an interesting bit of theatre. A Black cast playing the Founding Fathers was a big success with "Hamilton" ....

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 21 - 01:00 PM

jack, i know exactly who alf garnett was and that he was a piss taker. also bonzo does not generally talk racist shit he is a conservative but he has condemned racism in the past. jack before you slander him check your facts

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 06:51 AM

Watched the whole thing last night.

I don't really know what to make of it. I'm not even sure if it was sympathetic to Anne or not, which seeing as she got her head cut off is saying something.

Was she promised her life if she signed some document - I didn't know that. Wouldn't put it past the rotten sods.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 04:36 PM

When I first repatriated from Australia to England in 1997, there was an argument that people of African and Asian origin were not fairly represented by our media; that may still apply to the latter but certainly not the former - they have been the flavour of the month for many years now.

E.g., very few BAME live in the countryside here but almost every episode of the BBC's Countryfile has a presenter of African origin - they are now over-represented by our media; and, of course, positive discrimination for one group of people is negative discrimination for everyone else - including English content to do their bit in their native land.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 05:24 PM

Well they've done it. As far as I can see they haven't spent a fortune on it.

I'm just sorry, it hasn't been done to make a point.....perhaps it does make the point that theres no no-go areas for black performers.

If that's all it was about - fair enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 21 - 07:21 PM

As I said earlier, if doing it provokes the "I'm not racist.. but.." brigade
to 'out' themselves to public scrutiny...

..ahem... "I'm not racist.. but.. there's too many of 'em taking our TV presenter jobs..."...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jun 21 - 02:42 AM

perhaps we could have had princess anne playimg anne boleyn and prince andrew as henry 8

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jun 21 - 04:11 AM

Who is BAME?

I'm being acronymed out of this conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 21 - 04:25 AM

Setting aside all this racism (and there's a fair bit of it in this thread): reinterpretation of historical tales, of plays and of operas, whether that means boys playing girls, blacks playing whites, the "wrong gender person" singing a folk love-song, translating things into English, dragging a seventeenth century tale into a twenty-first century setting, it's all par for the course and grist to the mill and artistic licence. Whether it works for you is for you to decide, and if you don't like it, you can set it aside. Certain decisions along those lines could cast you as racist if you go large with them. But, at the end of the day, you pick and choose the bits of culture that are edifying for you and ignore the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Jun 21 - 01:25 PM

For Big Al - Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME), still used a lot in England, though I believe some are not so keen on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jun 21 - 08:27 AM

I think the basic problem is that not many people can be arsed to watch the programme I was hoping to initiate a discussion about.

So people (lets be charitable and say they don't want a lovely fellow like me talking to meself) so they are playing familiar themes from their favourite records.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Anne Boleyn
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jun 21 - 11:07 AM

Al - I have no time or intention for watching any telly series at the moment..

If I did, historic dramas anout royalty would not be top of the list..

However when I was a teenager in the 1970s,
I'd watch any old tripe boring history, or modern arty farty, dramas
in hope there were glimpses of naked women..

All the better when my dad finally gave in and rented a colour telly...