BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH-Dec 2021

Subject: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 02:54 PM

The launch date has been set, but it is still changing, most recently due to the weather in French Guiana, where it is presently scheduled to rocket off planet on Christmas morning.

Briefly, the James Webb Space Telescope is an ambitious plan to site an infrared detector with associated recent tech components at Lagrange point (L2) on the outside of Earth's solar orbit. It will take up to a month to get into position and due to the complexity of the craft and its manifold parts, it will be self-assembling over the next six months.

Step one, getting this very complex and valuable equipment launched, is currently set for 7:20 EST 25 December, but consult the website for updates.

You can find their website, which appears to be very well organized with background and latest schedule updates at: James Webb Space Telescope website

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 05:11 PM

If it works, I remember Hubble, we will see BEYOND the visible horizon of the Universe.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 08:30 PM

It's a totally amazing telescope, but it is being assembled into the rocket that will launch it in a way that it can eventually unfurl, like an umbrella. Umbrellas are finicky, and they are trying to design this telescope to avoid some of the pitfalls that plague umbrellas in motion.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: DaveRo
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 03:23 AM

It was the subject of last week's BBC Inside Science radio programme (podcast).

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 02:24 PM

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 02:24 PM

ANNNND it's off!

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 05:06 PM

As you all know, the James Webb Telescope 'package' was launched successfully from French Guiana this morning. A few facts:

The launch site was selected because it's closer to the Equator than Continental U.S. launch sites. This gives the rocket a small but palpable boost to trajectory due to the rotation of the Earth. Which saves fuel.

This is a space project as finely detailed as it is ambitious. Which is Very Very.

I got a thrill from hearing so much French in the background and foreground, right down to the ten count.

The telescope package is now in a phase where it is relatively slowly proceeding to its general area of operation, which will be around the L2 (Lagrange Point 2) area of space a million miles from Earth in a solar orbit which is maintained in sync with Earth, kept there primarily by Earth's gravitation and secondarily by small expenditures of thrust from the fuel aboard.

The mission is known to be limited because of fuel expenditure. It is planned to be useful for ten years. Due to the fuel requirement, it is not likely to last much longer, as opposed to the luck of the Mars rovers, several of which have lasted years longer than their design life.

This telescope is all about heat, particularly separating the detection apparatus from any. It's kind of like when telescopes on Earth are located away from nighttime light sources. Their function is to detect and record starlight. In the case of the JWTS the purpose is to detect and record heat signatures. So the umbrella part is to isolate the hardware for this from the sun, the earth, and the support apparatus in the rest of the package.

There are other unknowns- the effect of micrometeoroids on the structure and of course the science to be done. I understand that over the years of design and planning the astronomers of the world have distributed every minute of anticipated observation.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 03:59 AM

an Other Worldly Wide Webb?

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 08:21 AM

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2112/JwstLaunch_Arianespace_1920.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 11:29 AM

The next steps will be just as hair-raising as the buildup to the launch:

'29 days on the edge:' What's next for NASA's newly launched James Webb Space Telescope

The Webb Telescope’s long journey to L2 This story offers a video of the deployment sequence (scroll down).

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 21 - 04:54 PM

When the James Webb search begins it will be looking at a 3 full moon wide patch of sky and measure dark matter gravity in thousands of galaxies. We think we have seen a couple distant galaxies that have no dark matter. We don't know what that means but dark matter may have evolved just as luminous matter has evolved and changed. We can't look back to a young 2 billion year old universe since gas blocked light until it reionized and became transparent but we will see as far back in time as possible. Later planetary searches will be done.
Finding the unexpected or 'unsearched for' is also a possibility.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Dec 21 - 10:32 AM

Perhaps we will find out what dark matter/energy actually is.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 21 - 01:43 PM

The dark matter sweepstakes invites your guess. The winner gets dark matter money.
My guess was non baryonic quarks assembled into strange 1/2 spin hadrons in the technicolor range beyond the 100 hadrons we know (which makes their name absurd since they are invisible) and should be called Donuel-Bose condensates.

Simply put; it is the energy state condensate of the left over energy junk from the annihilation of matter and anti matter. :*)

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 07:23 AM

EBarnacle 'dark energy' is something entirely different regarding accelerating expansion forces as you know. That more volumetric space is being produced is quite a mystery to be sure. The possible dark balancing act going on is a mind blower. We wouldn't want to stretch the universe to its tearing point would we? Some say the entire universe will have to drop to a lower energy state which will be like a big rip. They claim it is inevitable.

C'est la guerre.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 02:27 PM

(Sounds like Elizabeth Homes has some competition for sounding deep and has a prayer of knowing what they're talking about).

Meanwhile, back off planet Earth but in the realm of reality:

JWST starts to unfurl

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 04:50 PM

Robo should google dark energy but it appears flame trolling is his preference. Cosmology is my 50 year hobby after I ditched religion.
Aereodynamics is robo's hobby and he's pretty good at it.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 06:21 PM

Curiosity wonder and a need to know our realities is what drives science. "Science innoculates us against the charlatans of lies and even our own biases". Neil Degrass Dyson.

Science has had many great discoveries this year. Too bad more people did not learn the 20 year history of the rna vaccine research. People thought it just was sprung on them in a year. It had many different roots and discoverers as well.

Learning a love of science is a majestic love affair of not mere knowledge but of a way of thinking and seeing what is true what is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 12:18 AM

Back to 86: "missed it by that much!"

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 12:26 AM

What? I can't see or hear through this cone of silence.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 02:06 PM

You need to shout like the chief! (And get Hymie to 'lend a hand')

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 22 - 07:22 PM

I figgered it out Chief! If Aliens are 4 dimensional beings while we are only 3 dimensional, even if they accidentally crashed or left a singularity generator on Earth, with an extra dimension of freedom they could reach through any safe or high security area and remove what they wanted with no obsevation. All we would know is that evidence was there and then it wasn't. That the chinese dropa stones are still here may be an indication that they are 3 dimensional too. That or they simply forgot about them. So whadduya think chief...chief? Where didja go chief?

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 22 - 05:13 AM

Sounds like someone has been reading the "Three Body Problem"(or in your case getting someone to read it to him).

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 22 - 04:22 PM

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 08:35 AM

Despite all of the possibilities of mechanical failure, it has fully unfurled and is ready for business once it's on the LaGrange point.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 11:14 AM

NASA Live
NEXT LIVE EVENTS

(All times Eastern U.S. time, which equates to UTC-5.)

January 8, Saturday
No earlier than 9 a.m. - Live coverage of the unfolding of the second of the James Webb Space Telescope's primary mirror wings, marking the end of the observatory deployments.
No earlier than 1:30 p.m. - NASA will hold a media briefing as soon as possible after the end of the live broadcast coverage of Webb’s final deployments.
10:40 p.m. - Coverage of the launch of a sounding rocket carrying an X-ray astronomy instrument from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 12:27 PM

This is the most advanced and expensive pop up book and origami project ever.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 06:23 PM

Fully deployed, I read...

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 03:34 AM

now employed ?

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 09:12 AM

LIGO and now Webb are instruments of the future of physics.
Developments in quantum computers and AI are also future oriented.
The previous century showed us the relationship of energy and mass.
The next century will have similar breakthroughs for space and time.
In health evolution CRISPR will play a role as yet undetermined by ethics.
Imagination now will determine how we apply this new understanding.
As history has shown much of future physics applications will come from Science Fiction as it did from Jules Verne to Arthur C Clark & John Pierce. There are hundreds of others of course.

What will this mean in the real future world? We will be able to bypass inertia and some limitations of gravity. We will most importantly be able to teleport non organic matter, bypass time barriers, educate the reason challenged and wait for it...

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 09:28 AM

...well if you don't know, I'm not at liberty to say ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 11:13 AM

To appreciate just what it took to actually make this gadget work, it is interesting to follow... if not every minute.. this re-broadcast of the live action as they finish deploying the mirrors.
   The entire program is about 4 hours, but one can skip ahead by tapping the progress bar. At about 1 hr. 50 min. they interview one of the technology managers, who explains in detail what it took to create the thing. It is amazing that it took ONLY 20 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlGTem8vkB0

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 03:24 PM

Imagine how it is made to move and focus at 400 degrees below zero.
Best wishes to Barbara McClusky D from Maryland who steadfastly made sure the Webb telescope would be funded.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 05:34 PM

In 1666 Oxford University was closed due to the spread of plague and Newton had to go home where he still had time to think. This is the era when he undertook an explanation of gravity. Funny things pandemics. While most of the math checked out it did not explain why.
Borrowing ideas of curved space Albert E refined gravity in terms of energy forces further in general relativity.
Today in an effort to explain why an ant's legs can overcome the entire gravity of our planet we have measured the most miniscule force of gravity in comparison to the other 3 fundamental forces. Well we don't really care about an ant's legs but gravity is minus 67 the power of ten compared to other forces. ITS SMALL On top of that it may not live here at all. There is no graviton we have found but we recently measured its wave from a billion years ago. So what the #@(& is gravity? Here is what we are thinking; There are two branes or sheets of existence hovering close to each other but not touching, some stuff leaks from one to the other like neutrinos and virtual particles and perhaps a distant remnant of a gravity force from the 'land' where gravity lives on that other brane. This unseen universe is not the dark energy or dark matter but something parallel to our entire universe. BUT it may be respondsible for our dark energy...
If the entire brane that contains the strong gravity source stretches out in all directions, then geometrically its gravity would pull in all directions pulling our universe onward and outward everywhere with acceleration.
Funny thing pandemics. They can give time to think.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 05:40 PM

By the way robo the original 3 body problem is used to find the 5 different LaGrange points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxpVbU5FH0s

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 06:44 AM

Orions belt

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 02:30 PM

https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-begins-mirror-alignment

This step takes 3 months.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 04:43 PM

The big bang theory must have had a high temperature at the start between the microscopic/quantum through inflation stages. Then it is theorized it grows cold enough to form atoms and go through annihilation of anti matter - that is followed by an opaque dark era before stars ignited with light. We have not ever seen beyond those dark ages of the opaque stage.

{My wonder is if the James Webb telescope can detect heat signatures before/farther back in time, before the opaque era. OR an entirely new surprise is seen.}

The inflationary period where space expanded beyond known velocities is a strange period. I always believed contrary to most cosmologists that it was time that was distorted by mass density and took much longer than a new york minute to reach an expansive space. To be fair space can move faster than light inside of black hole horizons.

In a way we may be able to see in reverse space move beyond relativistic speed but the Webb may see stranger things that I can imagine for sure. Everyone in the field is making their best guesses right now. Some guesses are beyond my understanding and some are too wierd for this ol country boy.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 04:46 PM

I've long thought that Lagrange points were likely to turn out to be very useful in space operations.   But until now I hadn't appreciated how many there were.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 04:55 PM

Some are better for different things and some are more stable than others. I think a couple of them still need tiny corrections.
The three body problem was solved before Voyager.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 03:34 AM

According to Astrophysicist Becky, the JWT launch was so close to target that the useful life can more than double. She is a black hole specialist and makes any dry subject like that entertaining - don't just trust me - trust yer own eyes (YouTube & the JWT launch)

This is because the fuel needed to get to the Lagrange point and the accuracy thereof used the minimum budget and left more to keep the instrument on top of the (notional) hill top. The Earth's, the Moon's and the planets have less than perfect trajectories - mostly due to the gas giants like Jupiter's mass modifying local gravity. In short, it ain't exactly a three body problem - in reality.

FWIW I found this guy's explanation of Lagrange points simplistic enough and entertaining (given the techie nature) for it to stick in my head - is that a Lagrange point for Lagrange points?

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 22 - 11:34 AM

I saw this guy's video before but found him too cute but more informative. I went with the more brief but dry British guy.

Will Webb 'see' behind the curtain of the dark age opaque universe?
send in for the James Webb decoder ring and stay tuned.
Allow 5-8 months for delivery.

this is just a dark nebula

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 08:48 AM

asteroid today and more

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 22 - 09:01 AM

Here are new paths to solving gravity up until 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sTBZ2G4vow
worth the 15 minute length.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 22 - 01:46 PM

another thing we don't know

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 22 - 03:38 PM

Brian Greene and panel discuss what Webb will look at

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jan 22 - 05:06 PM

Two things:
Donuel, can you define time without the use of recursive language?

IT'S HO OME!!!



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/science/james-webb-telescope-arrival.html?action=click&algo=bandit-all-surfaces_filter_new_ar

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 22 - 05:33 PM

EBarnicle, congratulations for being subscribed to the nyt.
On the other 2 counts I am confused and ignorant. I do see time as an an emergent effect from other forces like space, mass and velocities.
Time is not one discreet thing or force in my mind although 'c' figures prominetly in equations. Plainly spoken Time is space and mass' bitch.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jan 22 - 09:54 PM

The paywall kicks in after 3 visits in any given month.
Donuel, If I can spell your name right, you can give me the same courtesy.
If you don't understand something, don't pontificate on it.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 03:52 AM

Amen!

The telescope reached the L2 LaGrange point on January 24. So far, so good.

Subject: RE: BS: SPACE - James Webb Telescope LAUNCH
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 10:01 AM

Is that what recursive language means? and what is HO OME.

There are also hypotheses that time exists in 4 dimensions. pdf
note that time does not exist as one discreet thing, in fact space and time have imaginary aspects to it, like shadows on a cave wall interpreted by our minds. Defining Time like an object ain't gonna happen but who knows maybe you think you can.