BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 08:26 PM

Wanna bet on it? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 08:17 PM

She's got a good chance. She's fully jabbed, in fair health its reported, the omicron variant is milder and there are better treatments for Covid, and mother reached 100.

But she's 96, and at that age anything can carry you off. "She won't die" is far too strong.

Anyway she'll be glad to have a good reason for not enduring her weekly session with Boris.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 12:50 PM

Nowt wrong with huntin', shootin' and fishin' by individuals for food, as opposed to sport. But the shooting estates used for sport by the royals and their hangers-on are an ecological disaster. Thousands upon thousands of acres of what should beautiful upland turned into a near-monoculture, burned off at intervals just to suit a single species of bird, destroying most of the other wildlife. The illegal shooting and poisoning of rare top predators that were there a long time before the shooters, the beaters and the grouse. Drastically reducing the moorlands' ability to store carbon and water, in fact turning them into large-scale carbon-emitters. The icing on the cake is that for much of the year, if not all of it, the plebs have to be kept off this stolen land. On one occasion in upper Teesdale, shots were fired over my head when I'd inadvertently strayed on to the margin of a shooting estate. It's eco-vandalism at its worst and it makes that conspicuous eco-warrior Prince Charles into a complete hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 11:58 AM

She won't die, at least not of this. The whole thing is total bollix and a sympathy-winner.

That seems to be a bold statement. Do you have access to her medical records?

Being fully vaccinated improves the chances of surviving a bout of Covid but is not an absolute protection, even for previously fit and healthy young people. Contracting Covid could exacerbate an existing condition and thus play a part in someone’s demise, even if it is not the main cause.

More distraction and Down-The-Road-Can-Kicking. And the feeble-minded Daily Mail readers will fall for it, ............

I would have thought that a frail, elderly head-of-state and her next-in-line contracting a disease which has killed almost 6 million people, world wide, was a newsworthy story in anybody’s book. The idea that things have been exaggerated to allow the government to control the populace seems, pretty much, to be the stance taken by the anti-vaxers.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 11:58 AM

She won't die, at least not of this. The whole thing is total bollix and a sympathy-winner.

That seems to be a bold statement. Do you have access to her medical records?

Being fully vaccinated improves the chances of surviving a bout of Covid but is not an absolute protection, even for previously fit and healthy young people. Contracting Covid could exacerbate an existing condition and thus play a part in someone’s demise, even if it is not the main cause.

More distraction and Down-The-Road-Can-Kicking. And the feeble-minded Daily Mail readers will fall for it, ............

I would have thought that a frail, elderly head-of-state and her next-in-line contracting a disease which has killed almost 6 million people, world wide, was a newsworthy story in anybody’s book. The idea that things have been exaggerated to allow the government to control the populace seems, pretty much, to be the stance taken by the anti-vaxers.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 03:05 AM

Steve Shaw... eloquent praise indeed. However, I take umbridge at, "grouse-murdering presence". I spent thousands of days over my lifetime in pursuit of Bonasa umbellus with a proper device of death, dispatching over two thousand. And, as implied in the taxonomy, revelled as I ate my fill. URP!

Whilst Royals practice killing in a fashion such as their station 'allows', I chased the buggers through the one-by-ones (pines one inch in diameter, one inch apart). That is how commoners of the colonies fed/feed themselves.

I am sure Beth would have enjoyed death with me rather than with Royals. Alas, I am a simple commoner of her realm... never to meet... unless she gets her ass over to my camp for a hunt... and leaves her short-ass hounds on the other side of the pond... I hate yappy little dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 01:23 AM

More distraction and Down-The-Road-Can-Kicking. And the feeble-minded Daily Mail readers will fall for it, exactly as they fell for ‘Take Back Control’ and ‘Get Brexit Done’.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 09:01 PM

She won't die, at least not of this. The whole thing is total bollix and a sympathy-winner.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 06:48 PM

Brilliant bit of timing - just as he cancels all the restrictions prematurely, evidently in face of the advice of most experts , in the hope of distracting the public from the fact he's been ignoring them at the height of the pandemic - and the Queen goes down with covid.

If she dies, which at nearly 96 is only too likely, that could settle things for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 11:29 AM

I guess I get some of my news here at Mudcat. I had to go look it up.

Queen Elizabeth is infected with the coronavirus.

Maybe the one bonus to Andrew these days is that he is so much out of circulation he's less likely to come down with COVID.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 11:04 AM

Yeah I agree with no special care for royal geriatrics. She's a real old lady of the people and one independant tough bird like ALL the old ladies who had nothing more than the snifles in 2020.
In America the elderly died by the refridgerated truckload.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 10:44 AM

Good job she wasn't one of the tens of thousands of elderly people, just like her, who died when infected people were allowed back into their care homes in early 2020. Few of them made the headlines at the time, and all of them had a little bit more than a mild dose of the sniffles. I wish her a speedy recovery.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 09:53 AM

Pleased to be of service, Gilly! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 09:23 AM

Thanks a lot BW, your little ditty gave my nostrils a coffee enema. Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 09:08 AM

100

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 08:51 AM

By George, she's got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 05:08 PM

Oh God, and don't we all just LOVE Nicholas Witchell! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 03:54 PM

Headline in tomorrow's paper: HUGE QUEUE FORMS AT PALACE AS ANDREW GIVES MONEY AWAY TO PEOPLE HE'S NEVER MET

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 01:53 PM

All together now…

“Oh the grand old Duke of York
He had twelve million quid
He gave it to someone he never met
For something he never did!”

I thank yew, I thank yew, I thank yew…! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 01:06 PM

Morally speaking, all their money is our money. Of course, they get to spend it on big palaces, servants, playing polo, making horses jump over fences and shooting grouse on huge estates that we have to keep off. No food banks for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 12:56 PM

Is it just me, or does £12 million seem rather a lot of money to hand over to someone you never met or, if you did, you didn’t shag?

Mind you, it’s not really a lot to him when it’s our money he’s handed over, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: meself
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 11:24 AM

As a Canadian - as I indicated earlier - I'm content with our odd Constitutional Monarchy - but when Justin Trudeau had the swearing in of his government broadcast publicly, I was chagrined to see these serious people, one after another, meekly swear allegiance to not only the Queen but all her heirs, fruit of her looms, etc. I mean, the Queen is one thing - but Charles?? William (okay, so far, so good, but ... )? Harry? And ... whatever, um, 'characters' the following generations produce? Even my mother was embarrassed. I'm not saying that feudalism isn't quaint and charming ... but [insert quotation from the leftist peasant of Monty Python & the Holy Grail here]!

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 04:25 AM

Hee hee Dave, good idea! And I reckon Harry & Meghan would be an excellent choice as Directors/Managers of such a shenanigan. They seem to know all about that sort of world.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 03:41 AM

As tourist attractions they are very low on the lists, Sen. I do have an alternative that I have mentioned before. Hand over the running of "Windsor World" to the Disney corporation. We retain a purely titular monarchy AND they begin to rake in the money for the UK. Win-Win :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 03:32 AM

I remember when I was very small my mother telling me that the king was dead. And I also remember very clearly watching the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth on the TV at a neighbour's house.
Prince Philip was the Chancellor of Edinburgh University where I studied, and I stood in line while he passed along, talking to many of the students.
My father (GPO Telecommunications officer) met and talked to Princess Margaret at Kensington Palace, in order to arrange telephone systems there.
I've seen HM when she visited Norwich years ago and have arranged celebrations for the Silver Jubilee at the school where I taught.
However I'm very surprised that my attitude towards the monarchy has completely changed. I now see it as an anachronism which should come to an end after the Queen has passed away. I can't see the use of them, and rather resent their privileges and enormous wealth. I would never ever curtsy to any human being. They aren't 'elected' and the usual defence of 'they attract tourism' could be continued if all royal residences were opened to the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Allan Conn
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 02:44 AM

Re DaveRo's post and support for the monarchy at just 60% that is true - but a more important factor is what is the support for an alternative once the Don't Knows and Don't Cares are taken out of the equation. For instance a recent Yougov poll put support for the monarchy at 63% - but support for a republic was much lower at 25%. Likewise Survation recently had support for the monarchy lower at 57% whereas a republic was 29%. So the support for the monarchy is not universal but support for the alternative is still way behind. When broken down in parts then even in Scotland where support for the monarchy is only around 50% that support is still way ahead of Republicanism.

I do think though that at least a portion of support for the monarchy will be a fairly soft support. More for the person than the institution so support could be fickle - and approval for the present Queen is way ahead of approval to the heir to the throne. This link shows there is an overall positive rating for the Queen of 80% with 51% being very positive. Charles has only a 54% overall positive rating with only 13% very positive. Among the adults only William and Kate come anywhere near the Queen in truth! Harry has only 34% overall positive with only 11% being very positive. Then there is the likes of Andrew with 6% positive about him and only 1% very positive. Again when broken down support in Scotland is lower for all the royals apart from Harry and Meghan - as I suppose maybe they are not so hated because the institution has not got the same support so criticisms of it are not so important.

One does feel that maybe after an initial bout of sympathy there could be a major challenge for the royals to retain support when Charles and the even less popular Camilla take the throne. With the Queen there is the "aye been" element. For the vast bulk of us she has always been the monarch since we were born so it is kind of accepted without much questioning by many.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/mk1br7xert/Internal_RoyalFamily_211124_W.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 05:47 PM

Your bowler hat, tuxedo, dinner jacket and brogues, Dave. Alternatively, hang on to 'em all and go incognito...

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 05:40 PM

I too am puzzled; how does one dress up as a leftie?
I consider myself to have been one for almost sixty years so which of my clothes should I discard in order to preserve my status?

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 05:12 PM

Well unless she breaks all longevity records she won't be reigning for an awful lot longer. She radiates love of her corgis and very little else. All we can say for certain is that her replacement will be a bloody sight worse. Still, we're stuck with 'em and one has to be calm about that...

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 03:22 PM

After 70 years on the throne Her Majesty The Queen still radiates joy.
It’s impossible to watch this lovely moment without a big grin.
God save the Queen, long may she reign.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 02:57 PM

Learned a lot from listening to the radio during a drive to work today: The queen may not need to abdicate - I just heard that Charles, and then Camilla both tested positive for COVID. Who knows what happens if they infected Mum.

Andrew's settlement on the charity of the woman who was suing him apparently doesn't have the usual verbiage about "no admission of guilt" and he's still wanted for questioning in another case.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 02:00 PM

Whisper it, but the time is right for the Queen to abdicate

I hope she doesn't go (either way) before Boris does.

I see only 60% of people (in the UK? doesn't say) support the monarchy now.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 01:51 PM

What does "getting dressed up as a leftie" look like?

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 01:34 PM

He has not gotten off yet? I am unclear on that last.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 01:07 PM

Congratulations to the Queen for paying Andrew's legal bills and get him off. The sycophantic newsreader has just said that "he's innocent, not found guilty of anything."


So why the big payout to Virginia if he's done nowt wrong?!

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 06:07 AM

I like being called a lefty/leftie. In fact, I have a badge that sez "This is what a socialist looks like" and another that sez "This is what a trade unionist looks like." I keep them alongside my EU stars badge, my Dump Trump badge and my 1977 Stuff The Jubilee badge. I also have a Royal Meteorological Society badge and car sticker, seein' as 'ow I'm a member thereof. I can't help that it's called "royal." It was never my idea. Never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 05:11 AM

Bonzo being dog matic

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 04:19 AM

The UK daily newspapers aided by every lefty under the sun.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 07:29 PM

Which media?

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 07:02 PM

"Royal controversies are routinely played down by the media."

As Star Wars put it:   "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 05:55 PM

There's no supposed about it really. In fact, they are so protected that there will be things we know about that were worse than reported and other things that we'll never know about.

What's worse, Bonzo, dressing up as a leftie or dressing up as a Nazi? Careful now...

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 05:39 PM

In an imperfect world there are some things worth getting worked up about, and a lot that aren't.

I'd not lift a finger to get rid of the royals, or to keep them. And I skip the gossip about what they are supposed to get up to.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 05:28 PM

At least they don't dress up as lefties!!

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 02:30 PM

Oh, I know they'll be there until and beyond the day I go to join the choir invisible. But thank Shankly for free speech, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 02:15 PM

Your prerogative, Steve. I decided some time ago to not allow my shreddies to get wedged up my arse-crack about things over which I have no control - life’s so much more comfortable that way. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 11:33 AM

Got my noes, eithers and neithers a bit mixed up there...

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 11:19 AM

Well I have no respect neither for her nor the institution, and if it were possible, even less for her dysfunctional family. I refer you to my post of the 9th. The one sensible thing that the Queen has done in the last seventy years, something that neither Charles, Philip nor Andrew haven't managed for themselves, is to keep her mouth shut. Royal controversies are routinely played down by the media, especially the BBC, unless they smell a potential victim such as Meghan. Events such as dressing up as Nazis at parties, being photographed shagging a young woman from behind, the Queen Mother's and Philip's racism, the barefaced unfaithfulness to Diana even on the eve of the royal wedding and Margaret's taxpayer-funded dissolute and alcoholic lifestyle are all conveniently played down. Just think if Jeremy Corbyn had even thought of doing things like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 11:01 AM

Personally, I prefer the idea of a benign, benevolent, non-political, ceremonial HoS - the Queen being a good example - to a US-style elected President, but I dislike the ‘hereditary’ element of our ‘Royals’ arrangement. I’d be delighted if we changed the UK’s system completely, to something akin to the RoI’s arrangement - probably a PR system of government with a PM elected by Parliament, and a non-political, ceremonial-only HoS elected by the general electorate.

Whilst I have a degree of respect for the Queen as an individual and, to a lesser degree, her immediate family, in this day and age I find the idea of the role of HoS being reserved for members of one grossly over-privileged family, and for no better reason than ‘that’s how it is’, and the inference that the Royals are somehow ‘better’ than everyone else, an insult to the rest of society.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 10:26 AM

"and the Q" Initially, in the context of this thread, I took it that that meant the Queen. But on reflection, perhaps not.

I sometimes wonder if the Decision of the Founding Fathers to preserve the system of having a Monarch in charge, but elected, and with stronger powers than the one in Britain, will ever get recognised as a relic of 18th century thinking in need of being adjusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Congratulations to HM The Queen!
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Feb 22 - 09:03 PM

Well, as an over-proud American I would have felt 'we' were better than that and would never vote for someone dangerously unqualified. Then along came Drulius Geezer. I am reminded of Spike Milligan's line for the Goons. "Old England isn't finished yet! It's finished.............
NOW!
It's important to note that the FAT EGO who was in office was not the cause, but a bit of effect. We can hope it's temporary, but then we have such contrasting current examples of political sagaciousness as the RNC,Progressives, and the Q.
At this point I still like the idea of a written Constitution and a very strong stomach for this side of the pond.

Of course your mileage may vary, and you DO have lots more mileage.