BS: Interesting for dog owners!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 05:14 AM

Here we go, the dog haters' drivel!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 05:19 AM

Sorry, mate, it's the bad dog-owner hater's drive. You just left two words out, that's all, a minor fault of course!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 05:30 AM

Sen, I've not been there but Holkham is listed as dog friendly here.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 08:38 AM

The rapid tide there is rather a danger though Jon. Once, my class were swamped by what resembled a miniature tsunami, and Jim, the coach driver, and I had to save them as best we could. I had half a dozen children clinging to my skirt, and Jim was grabbed by many of the boys.
We were all soaked to the skin, but luckily no-one drowned.
Afterwards, when writing up their experiences, most of the children (aged about 10) put "Holkham Hall was boring, but the scary sea was fantastic!"
I realise most dogs can swim, but their owners might not survive a tidal swamping.

Subject: RE: BS: electronic sniffing dogs!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 09:17 AM

Jeffery Clark's home was raided by the FBI assisted by lectronic sniffing dogs. LSDs

Jeffery was led away sans pants.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 09:40 AM

Dogs can't operate MRI scanners but Catscan
https://www.domesticatedcompanion.com/the-most-hilarious-and-original-yard-signs-youve-ever-seen/54?xcmg=1

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 11:24 AM

Since those who don't own dogs and don't approve of most of the actions of some dog owners have registered their complaints repeatedly - it's time to move along and let those who own dogs and have an interest in the topic continue.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 12:43 PM

I couldn't agree less. I'm not a dog owner but I have a big interest in this topic. As a seven-year-old I was attacked in the street by an Alsatian that suddenly broke away from its owner. I ended up in A&E and I had to give evidence in a magistrates court against its owner. Subsequently, his dog also bit my best friend and he was back in court. The owner was caught taking revenge against us by posting dogshit with his bare hands through my mum's shop door. A couple of years later my pet cat was mauled to death before my eyes by a loose dog. A few years ago my wife was attacked by two loose dogs whilst cycling and needed first aid for a leg wound and had to have an anti-tetanus injection, and on a separate occasion I was forced to furiously fend off a loose dog from attacking my twelve-year-old son as we rode our bikes in a country lane near here. All of these attacks were unprovoked. Please don't tell me that I have no interest in this topic or that I have "cynophobia." It's pretty typical of dog owners who are confronted with stories such as these to try to tell us that we're making a fuss, we're softies, live and let live, etc. if you own a dog or dogs you belong to a fellowship that contains many a rotten apple, so I'd politely suggest that you aim your barbs at the right targets.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 02:19 PM

So everyone else is wanting to talk about good skills and manners with their dogs and Steve keeps turning the subject back to how he doesn't like dogs and wants it to be about his opinions. You see why I suggested you give it a rest? You weren't named, but if the shoe fits . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 02:30 PM

Please note that not once have I said that I don't like dogs. I know you'd love me say what you want me to say...

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 03:36 PM

Steve, it's perfectly understandable that you're very wary of dogs, having been attacked and bitten like that. My sister was similarly attacked and badly bitten by an Alsatian when she was in her early teens. Her face was ripped, and now she is still rather wary of any dog that approaches her, even in a friendly way.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 04:24 PM

It's the world's numero uno cliche, but it's always the owner, never the dog. I don't not like dogs. I'm a biologist who revels in and celebrates the diversity of life. I can even respect a big, ugly slug, as long as it's at least three feet away from my lettuces.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 06:10 PM

Oh dear. I just realised that, in my first post to this thread, I did say that I disliked dogs (before anyone else picks me up...). Well, that's true enough, I can't deny, but it doesn't mean that I single out dogs as public enemy number one. It means that I've had a good few extremely negative experiences with dogs, but that every one of those was the fault of the owner. I could add to the experiences I listed the innumerable occasions that I've stood in dogshit and trampled it into the house or my car then had to whittle it out of my shoe, or the occasions when I've had to clean dogshit out of my kids' hair and clothes or bike tyres. Whilst all that doesn't exactly endear one to the little dears, it remains the case for me that hounds are fully the product of nature and that their shortcomings are squarely the property of their feckless owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 22 - 07:19 PM

Some people say that dogs have a sense of a person's soul. What BS!
But if the dogs all gang up on Steve, who am I to argue.
In my entire life I was bitten only once and then immediately defended against the offending dog- by another dog. There is some sort of communication that is beneficial when dealing with dangerous dogs.
Steve try again, fail better next time, and learn something that works better than fear. Or not. I really won't lose sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 03:27 AM

Sen, I see there are a few warnings and advice for Holkham beach, eg. see this article which followed a family getting stranded and needing rescuing there.

We once took Misty for a walk from Cley beach towards Blakeney Point. It was a nice quiet walk but it is one where I think checking the tide tables and planning is advisable. It would be possible to get cut off by the tide coming in quickly and behind you Blakeney side.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 04:32 AM

The only time we needed to be careful of tides was at Croyde Bay in North Devon.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 06:02 AM

Idiotic input and well worth ignoring as ever, Donuel.

Ah yes, Croyde beach. Lovely area is that. It's a bit of a drive for us, maybe 75 minutes-ish. I only actually went on to the beach the once. I remember that you have to lug up a steep slope covered in deep, dry sand in order to get off the beach, so made note to self not to do it on a hot day and to get someone else to carry all the kit. :-). Oh, and that whale's skull at the top - is it still there?

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 06:10 AM

I don't know, we always joined beach at Downend well away from the Ruda caravan park.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 08:53 AM

There are Views of Croyde in this video, see Downend House at the end, where we stayed each June from 1990 to 2002!!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 22 - 09:49 AM

Some lovely walks round Baggy Point and Morte Point and beyond. I remember a hot afternoon in 2005 sitting on the tailgate of my beaten-up car with its busted radio in Mortehoe car park, eating a butty and having a cup of flask tea, listening to the cricket commentary on the now-legendary Ashes series (can't remember which match, but it wasn't the final decider as I listened to that one on a bench on Bude Canal...)

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jun 22 - 02:55 AM

Greyhound logic is that if they bark at nothing for long enough, something to bark at will appear!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 22 - 07:04 PM

dogs that diagnose disorders and read emotions
Its sad for those who still dislike dogs. But people have to want to change before any progress can be made by those poor unfortunate souls.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 02:06 AM

There have been recent warnings for dog owners about lungworm, a dangerous parasite which is on the increase. Norfolk is one of the regions affected.
This village has the most beautiful walks-for-dogs (and for humans too!) Through woodland, along the banks of the river Wensum, around various lakes and pools etc. However, some rather naughty people have started letting their dogs loose on our farmers' fields, where crops are fully grown and awaiting harvest. This flattens the crops, and now there are warnings from the angry farmers that they will revoke the Rights of Way around their land.
There are also some who let their dogs loose on the village playing field. I can see why, it's fenced all round so the dogs can run safely. But they leave piles of poo (which the owners don't seem interested in picking up and bagging) so the children/footballers playing there risk getting covered in the filthy stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 04:25 AM

We have a large wetland nature reserve in Bude, important for ground-nesting birds. Next to it is the rugby club's ground. Both areas are plagued by loose dogs (which are not allowed, but, in spite of signs everywhere, are routinely to be seen). The bushes next to the adjoining bike path are frequently festooned with those little scrotums of dogshit. Dog ownership, especially among the more elderly, is rife around here, so outrage is hard to come across. Allow me to express just a little of it here.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 06:39 AM

Cley (beach mentioned before)/Salthouse has a major nature reserve with hides and a visitor centre. The bittern is one bird you are supposed to be able to spot in the reed beds.Dogs are banned from this area and I can't remember ever reading of problems in the local media but that's not to say there's not the odd person around who does try to take dogs there.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 08:52 AM

Dogs aren't banned from our nature reserve but they are required to be on leads. Ironically, the ones you see actually on leads are usually beautifully behaved. The ones on the loose CAN be well-behaved, but they are the ones that often get over-excited, charge around in the sensitive habitats and shit on the rugby field. They not infrequently hassle to dogs on leads too. As ever, it's the bloody owners, innit.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 04:58 PM

Yes I agree with you there, I try to avoid our local recreation ground around 7.45 - 8.15am which is when the dog walking gang turn up with their out of control balls of fluff running wild. Our grey just doesn't like them. For a bit of fun one morning I'll put a muzzle on our grey which, because they are so thick, will keep the dog walking gang away!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 05:26 PM

I was in the park this morning and a very angry bloke was shouting at a lady that her Pekingise had killed his Rottweiler. No! She cried. How could she have done that?


He replied that she had got stuck in his throat...

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 22 - 05:51 PM

Very funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jun 22 - 12:33 AM

Hahahahaaa Dave, that's hilarious!
The new resident over the road from my house has a daft little chihuahua called Barney. He's rather sweet but yappy, and in my humble non-dog-owner opinion, he's not walked often enough, if at all.
I don't think any dog can be satisfied with merely running round the garden - they do need walks outside the garden to 'see the world'.
He also escapes from time to time, and comes zooming over to see me on The Bench in my front garden. I usually manage to get hold of him gently and carry him back to his owner.
Another new lady in our village is starting up Dog-Training sessions on one of the farms. Lots of well-structured games and lessons for dogs (and their owners!) for a small fee. We all think this is a wonderful idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 22 - 05:38 AM

I think I'm seeing an increasing trend around here for dogs to be pushed around in kiddies' pushchairs, or smaller ones to be carried in little over-the-shoulder slings or in the basket on the front of a pushbike. Whilst I don't like to judge, thinking that some of said dogs could be disabled, I do find this sort of thing to be somewhat risible. Still, it's a free country.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jun 22 - 09:17 AM

My dogs do have a few garments. The blue heeler wears a Thunder shirt when the weather is stormy, or will wear it next week when the fireworks are going off like a war zone. It is marginally helpful.

My smallest dog has a short uncomplicated coat and in cold weather she has decided that she loves the little fleece jacket I pull over each front leg and that fastens under the belly with Velcro. It was a lifesaver during the super long freeze of 2021.

And if there are body injuries that require the "cone of shame" to avoid licking the wound or dressing, I have convinced all of them that if they will leave the large-size adult t-shirt in place (put on over their head, with front legs through the arms and the waist of the shirt pulled snug and twisted into a knot around the dog's slim waist/abdomen area) that they don't need to wear the cone. People have asked why my dog is wearing a shirt and I explain - the dogs are so glad to not have that cone on that they are always cooperative. Invariably I'll see the other dogs walk over, take a sniff at the shirt where it covers the wound, and are satisfied that the shirt is there for a reason. (They've been checking the state of my surgical wound under the dressing this week - a quick sniff to see how the knee is and they move on). They really do understand quite a lot about the reasons we do things.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 02:22 AM

Spare a thought for terrified dogs and other animals during July 4 firework mayhem today.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 06:38 AM

Do we have July 4 fireworks mayhem in Blighty? In The People's Republic Of The Choicer Bits Of Croydon, maybe...

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 07:33 AM

No thank goodness, I'm referring to the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 09:49 AM

I'm not keen on the notion of a free-for-all, any time, anywhere fireworks culture, but a couple of times a year to keep your animals indoors for the evening seems good to me. I'd be more than happy to see something like that enforced generally, but with the possibility of negotiated exceptions. Here in Bude we have the usual shenanigans around Guy Fawkes night (spread out over too many nights in m'humble) and a half-hour spectacular on August Bank Holiday Monday for Lifeboat Day. Quite a few people bring their dogs to that one!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 11:22 AM

We have booked an hour in a new enclosed dog field just 10 minutes drive away. There are all kinds of things for dogs to climb on and through, but no doubt our greyhound will stick to her sniffmails!!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 11:56 AM

If I walk the dogs around the neighborhood we stay on the street (few sidewalks here) and they walk with me and we're moving along for the exercise and fresh air. But we have a few places around the neighborhood where, once we step onto the rough area of a wood or vacant lot, noses immediately go to the ground and they check out everything that has passed through the area. When I had my first two dogs back around 2005 they loved our walks in the wild prairie across the road where they could root around under tall grass bunches and low shrubs like wild dogs hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 04:00 PM

”but no doubt our greyhound will stick to her sniffmails!!

Errrrrrrmmm…’Peemails’? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 11:51 AM

Very true!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 08:21 PM

Some of this reminds me of the explanation for automated factories.

Every total automation factory has one man and one dog.
The man is there to feed the dog.
The dog is there to keep the man from messing with the machinery.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 03:18 AM

Yesterday I had a lovely chat with a young woman who lives up the road with her parents. She had with her a nice dog called Rosie. Apparently, a group of Travellers had been visited by the RSPCA and thirty poor dogs had been discovered chained up tightly, half-starved, showing marks of beatings and used as a 'puppy farm'. They'd all been rescued, and their photos put online. My neighbour had chosen Rosie (she named her after collecting her). The poor dog is very nervous, but getting more confident, and slowly gaining weight. (Before the rescue, she was like a walking skeleton.)
I felt so sad - imagine the suffering of those poor creatures! But very happy that Rosie has now found a loving home.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 05:43 AM

It’s not just Travellers - recently in a village a few miles from us a couple - both ‘respectable’ and very well-britched company-directors - were prosecuted for organising dog-fighting meetings, and breeding Staffies for fighting.

A person’s personal standards aren’t necessarily indicated by their wealth and place in society, Bonz. As an accountant and a Tory muggins, you should be amply aware of that fact.

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Bonzo's remark and the following responses were removed. That kind of slang is never left in place here on Mudcat. -----mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: peteglasgow
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 06:13 AM

if you are anywhere near kendal on sunday you could go and have a look at the south lakes greyhound walk. quite a sight is 60 plus beautiful dogs gliding around silently, no fuss or squabbling. vast majority are rescue dogs (is is our lovely Rosa) and some there are looking for a home. i like to watch the bemused yet impressed expressions on the faces of onlookers. if you want a new dog, please get a well-behaved, beautiful and affectionate rescued longdog. (unless you have a cat, obviously-they just don't mix well)

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 11:31 AM

> (unless you have a cat, obviously-they just don't mix well)

Depends if they've been brought up together. Herself's auntie was staff to a cat, and was given a small puppy: they coexisted reasonably well, as long as the dog remembered that the cat was quite definitely in charge.

YMMV. Mebbe it's a size thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 04:25 PM

20 years ago we had a dog and 2 cats who were definitely in charge!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jul 22 - 05:07 PM

We took our greyhound to a new 6 acre secure field this afternoon, where she enjoyed trotting around off lead. The owner of the land has 2 such fields, which are very popular at £10 for 55 minutes + 5 minutes to drive out and lock the gate.

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 05:22 AM

Crikey that field has slots booked for weeks ahead, must be more profitable than growing stuff!

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:38 AM

> Crikey that field has slots booked for weeks ahead, must be more
> profitable than growing stuff!

First thought: It probably is these days.

Second thought: "We do crop rotation: wheat, oats, barley, and rock festival."

Subject: RE: BS: Interesting for dog owners!
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:38 AM

We are using dogs to sniff out wasting/prion disease.