BS: Harry Duke of Sussex

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 07:06 PM

Cause and effect. The reason for fleeing, the reason for the speed, were the paparazzi in pursuit. If I recall, even on motorcycles, for christsake.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:14 PM

1997, Charmion.

The man driving her was drunk and 'twas he who crashed the car. lt's rather odd to conclude that a following car could be blamed. Had he slowed down, they would have slowed down. We don't like tabloids, we don't like sensationalist press reporting and we don't like paparazzi. But natural justice dictates that we blame only those who are genuinely to blame. We are not lynch mobs who condemn people purely because we don't like them. The papparazzi, detestable though they might have been, did not set out kill Diana. Reckless though their actions were, they were nowhere near as reckless as the drunk man who got behind the wheel.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 05:51 PM

Being pursued by the press at a high rate of speed, the whole thing was a dreadful tragedy. But the high speed drunk driving wouldn't have happened without the press.

The estimations of his intelligence seem to come from a time when he became a public figure target-wise for the press and at an age when "young" and "stupid" tend to go together. People do grow out of that on occasion.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 05:51 PM

As McG says, the Princess died a stupid death, which is sad.

My Dad used to say that stupidity is often a capital offence.

And it happened in 1989. Everybody eventually has to face bereavement and learn to live with it, princes of the blood not excepted.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 05:39 PM

continued
1. Refused to let him drive
2. worn a feckin seat belt
by not wearing a seat belt and allowing him to drive she was partly responsible for her own death

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 05:36 PM

After hearing evidence at the British inquest, a jury in 2008 returned a verdict of "unlawful killing" by driver Henri Paul and the paparazzi pursuing the car.[4] The jury's verdict also stated: "In addition, the death of the deceased was caused or contributed to by the fact that the deceased were not wearing a seat belt and by the fact that the Mercedes struck the pillar in the Alma Tunnel rather than colliding with something else".[5]
Steve, the jury gave 3 causes
if the driver was pissed you would have thought she would have

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 05:26 PM

I don't know if "nourished by a toxic public appetite" is right, Kevin. No one I know is in the slightest bit interested in the ginger whinger or his toxic family. I think the frenzy is being created and fed by the media itself. Probably to detract from the real issues with the economy and the NHS created by the Tory party who, in turn, are in the pocket of the media barons.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:47 PM

I think Diana was actually killed by a pissed chauffeur, Maggie...

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:47 PM

Lady Di died because she got in a car with a drunk driver, and failed to wear her seatbelt. A sad and stupid death. And it's still having sad and stupid results. The background then and now is a toxic tabloid industry, nourished by a toxic public appetite.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:40 PM

Poor ol' Harry reminds me of that famous cavalry officer who was so dim the others noticed. He did okay in the Army, not least because he knew exactly what to do most of the time, but the modern armed forces have no place for someone who can't be treated just like all the others of his rank and capabilities. A century and a half ago, the Prince Imperial of France (also a spare) could go off to Zululand with the British Army and get himself killed without causing an international incident, but that's not an option for Harry.

If only he knew how to do something genuinely useful, like framing carpentry.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: fat B****rd
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:00 PM

There was a huge outcry about that posh lady asking a coloured lady where she came from but Jeremy Clarkson's article saying Meghan Markle should be covered in excrement seems to have been largely ignored. Having said that, the assorted persons involved in all this may as well live on the Moon for most of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 03:54 PM

I really do not know very much about him, he doesnt come to my gigs, but then I dont go to his either. As far as i know he does not visit mudcat, i dont believe he is one of those unpleasant anonymous guests.
so i hope he has a healthy new year

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 03:44 PM

Choosing sides. Just the way the media like it and the royal family hopes for. The press managed to kill Lady Di; Harry got out before they got Meghan. You decide who the enemy is here.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: meself
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 02:22 PM

I love this: we can gossip and cast judgement in the most vicious manner about another family without any fear that they will be able to get back at any of us!

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 02:05 PM

Very sad. Damaged and lashing out. I can't see a happy outcome.

One glaring lesson for parents, always put on your seat belt.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:55 PM

I kinda like him.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:52 PM

They won't be getting any more cash from dad, might as well earn some here. The Netflix program was very well made, very clear, and of course it was their point of view, as is this book. Now people have to decide who to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:31 PM

Spot on with your analysis, Maggie. The only thing you missed out is that Harry and Meghan will be crying all the way to the bank....

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:11 PM

Senoufou, you've bought into the party line, I fear. He's entitled to tell his story over here without his family feeding tidbits to that toxic business you call "the press." They've done everything they can to warp what he has said by way of pushback and leaks before the publication date. I suppose we wouldn't care as much except that an American actress who has a good heart and always had good intentions was ground up and spit out by the press in the process. Racism is a big problem and there's no denying it any more.

That treatment of Meghan and Harry is totally unacceptable and now the truth is coming out. Too bad. The royal family is in for a rough year, brought on by their own bad behavior and tolerating the relationship with that toxic media.

Subject: RE: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM

A friend of a friend of a friend (no name, no pack drill) is close to him and regards him as "thick." I know there's stuff going on but I haven't got the slightest interest in any of it.

Subject: BS: Harry Duke of Sussex
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:56 AM

I'm very tired of the endless comments by Harry (his book plus his interviews etc.) It seems he has no idea of keeping his mouth shut about private and personal events. It must be very disturbing for the royal family. But I suppose he's making a mint of money out of it all.
I'm trying to see his side of things though. It seems he's been through some very difficult times. Anyone else got opinions about him?