Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 10:15 AM

Those polls are next to useless. Don't even give they oxygen.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 23 - 10:18 AM

Trump doesn't have "half the electorate." Polls are untrustworthy and they never are particularly accurate regarding Biden. Only the ballot box counts. Trump has a lot of already elected people scared of him so they go along with him, but he's losing his grip on them and their constituents. His endorsed candidates didn't do so well in this Tuesday's mid-term election because they are on the wrong side of the abortion debate for the electorate they want to serve. He favors chaos, and the next test will be when the US government might shut down if the new Speaker can't herd all of the cats. Trump thinks it's great if the government shuts down.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 12:41 PM

The really scary part of all of this is that despite Trump's criminal charges and potential damage to the Constitution, there is a group of Democrats who are making a huge fuss about Biden's age. These two guys are a couple of years apart and Biden is a rational human being. And as a mature adult advancing into older age I find it rather offensive that the number is more important than the actual person, his health, his record, and his motivations.

Trump will not just chew up the scenery if he is reelected.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:06 PM

In an interview snippet heard today Michael Cohen ridiculed Eric Trump's testimony about not knowing the financial end, just "pouring the concrete" for the corporation. Cohen's response was that "Eric wouldn't even know how to mix Quikrete and water in a bucket."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 12:55 PM

Robert Reich has it right, pointing out that any votes for "third parties" such as No Labels are a vote for Trump. And that No Labels is intended to do just that, it is funded by the foul supporters of Trump, trying to siphon off Biden votes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 05:36 PM

The editor on this wins the award for the best headline on the Internet today: Trump kid says the darnedest things: Donald Trump Jr. gives guarded, sometimes flip testimony at fraud trial

For those outside the US, in the 1950s to early 70's there was a Canadian transplant to US TV named Art Linkletter who hosted The Linkletter Show on which he frequently interviewed small children. The line "Kids Say the Darndest Things" became the catchphrase for those interviews and turned into some books later. Here's some of it (introduced by the now disgraced comic-rapist Bill Cosby, who used the concept for his own show at one point).

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:43 PM

As a follow up in the handwritten postcard strategy endorsing non-authoritarian candidates, it resulted in 100% success in those elections.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:36 PM

This is not a knee-jerk response but fear is the exact thing the Right wants you to feel to enforce a silence.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:19 PM

The defense against the truth tellers is simple denial often combined with an alternative history of lies. What is the point of this obviousness? The truth you speak now can create a needful change while silence condemns everyone.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:03 PM

I just wonder if giving him freedom of speech might provide the final kick to get him into the White House again.
As a former hypnotist, I know myths work, I know cults work. I know the bigger the social lie the more believable. The race myths work, the religious myths work, and even the internet troll lies work. It is reinforced by people's mistrust, fear, and a wanton need to know.   Liars are often those who seek power over their target. Myths override the obvious fallacies. To stand against that evil requires a response that looks like defensiveness. When such lies appear here they are simply deleted or erroneously closed. The crime of lying is called perjury in Court. Very rarely are government leaders punished for lying.

Short of armed conflict against the lie, is Art, literature and entertainment, The Enemy of the Liar is a truthful account of History.
Once the truth tellers are criminalized, the battle is over for years, decades or centuries.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 08:02 AM

I have personally seen the volume has been turned up to 10 on neo nazi and white Christian nationalist internet hate speech and propaganda,
This makes Trump's personal protestations practically moot.

The themes range from asking why Hitler got a bad rap or saying Hitler was a great leader who did a couple bad things, all the way to kill the Jews and vermin Democrats.

Even non fascist web sites like Quora are being deluged by pro Hitler questions and answers. The younger population is most responsible for this explosion.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 23 - 06:45 PM

There are thousands of online hate groups and numerous sites that connect them.
There is more than 8 chan to connect violent book burning nazis but here is a smattering of hate groups besides Proud Boys;
Aryan Freedom Network
Atomwaffen Division
American Front
American Nazi Party
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas
Aryan Brotherhood
Aryan Circle
Aryan Nations
Aryan Republican Army
Battalion 14/Connecticut White Wolves[6][7]
The Daily Stormer
Identity Evropa
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party[8][9][10]
Maryland National Socialist Party[11][6]
National Alliance
National Socialist Liberation Front
National Socialist Movement
National Socialist Vanguard
National Vanguard
Nationalist FrontO
Patriot Front
Renegade Tribune
The Right Stuff
Rise Above Movement
The Order
Traditionalist Worker Party
Vanguard America
Nazi Low riders
Vanguard News Network[12][13][14]
Werewolf 88[15][16]
White Aryan Resistance
White Devil Social Club[17][16]
White Order of Thule[18]
Caribbean and South America

and this NPR broadcast https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/who-is-watching-the-hate-tracking-hate-groups-online-and-beyond/

This group vowed to take over the Republican Party in 2018. Identity Evropa
Nationalist Social Club
National States' Rights Party
NSDAP/A

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 23 - 03:47 PM

I think she resigned on or near Donald's inauguration so an investigation would be discontinued.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 04:52 PM

They all started off in Queens which is the home turf of the Bonnano Mafia family. The Bonnanos ended up being the first mobsters to inform on each other to the FBI. After that other families fell like dominos.

Stilly are you intimating a possible lifespan for Donald?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 09:19 AM

I was one of the first that warned of this Nazi threat in which all the words and strategies of Trump come from Mussellini's black shirts and Hitler's brown shirts and Mein Kampf.

Vermin and poisoning the blood of our country are verbatim propaganda phrases coming out of the mouth of Trump that were used in the 1930's.

Country Club Republicans are still sleepwalking into the abyss.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 07:37 AM

* He'll win. There's nothing we can do.

I understand why that was said because a win will produce a cataclysm.
Why? Because TRUMP VOWS TO ROOT OUT VERMIN in his second term.
He said the vermin are Communists, Fascists, Marxists, etc. but you know he means his critics, Jews, Blacks, Democrats, and Immigrants.
He has included some of his lawyers and Generals in the Vermin Roundup. He vows a new wall around camps intended for incarceration and mass deportation. So I ask...
Are there any vermin here?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 06:33 AM

Carry on Stilly and Lighter.
With Mudcat behaving like a disappearing clipboard of server errors
this artist finds this site has died.
The footprints of ideas now vanish with daily tides.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 11:31 AM

Could Trump be so krazy as to pull a Netanyahu and abolish or ignore the Supreme Court? The Justices must decide if they want to risk Trump telling them "You're FIRED".

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:22 PM

A better lawyer might argue the insurrection against the Constitution was the obstruction of Congress from certifying the vote on Jan 6.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 05:42 PM

IT WILL NOT BE THE CASE THAT TRUMP WILL APPEAR ON SOME STATE BALLOTTS AND NOT OTHERS.
Colorado and Minnesota are currently using section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution to remove Trump from the ballot because he committed insurrection against the Constitution and gave aid to other insurrectionists. The State cases will conclude BUT THE SUPREME COURT will then decide for all STATES.

What is insurrection against the Constitution? It is violating the executive vestment that a President will serve a 4 year term IF he is elected or re-elected. (It does not involve the storming of the Capitol or any other modus Operandi of insurrection)
Technically the Supreme Court could decide either way.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:09 AM

https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-wants-michael-flynn-run-president-2024-if-trump-doesnt-1589802

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:44 AM

A quasi-religious dark horse like Gen. Flynn stands a better chance if Trump is unable to run than any of the announced candidates, in my opinion.

Like being late to sell your product for Christmas even Democratic challengers to Biden may be too late causing more harm than good and losing market share.

Who politically survives is still an open-ended question. I don't know if adding open antisemitism puts Republicans over the top or if Democrats will be the winning voice of reason. I am simply hopeful there are more healthy citizens than sick ones.

Subject: BS: No new Trump threads PART III
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 01:29 PM

Don Jr. suffered amnesia on the stand in court.

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BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) is the older thread. --mudelf

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 10:52 AM

Thanks Lighter

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 03:17 AM

The BBC synopsis of the Republicans challenging Donald Trump

I don't know if it is a good summary so if anyone from the US can comment it would be useful

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:30 AM

That convicted felon Flynn has the personality of a gila monster and   would be hard pressed to garner more than a few Democratic votes and without a sizable portion of those it would be impossible to gain the presidency. Maybe you're hallucinating again.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 05:01 PM

Yes, SRS you are right. I just wonder if giving him freedom of speech might provide the final kick to get him into prison. Give him enough rope ....

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 18 Nov 23 - 09:19 PM

Yes but, It's a great way to watch him dig a big hole for himself.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 04:04 PM

Ivanka Trump tells New York fraud trial she had no role in Donald Trump's financial statements

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 12:02 PM

An interesting article:

Insulting a judge might seem like a strange strategy, but Donald Trump had a bigger plan for his day in court

IMHO, it is also worth looking at because of the first two images: the court illustration showing Trump doing the accordion fingers, and the photo in which he clearly looks stressed and/or worried, where for the majority of the rest of his life everything is like water off a duck's back to him due to his massive belief in himself.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 12:03 PM

Lighter said, "Today's CNN/NYT poll shows Trump leading Biden by several points in most swing states."

If you look at it a bit differently, the poll could simply show the preferred party, Republican v. Democrats. At present, Trump is presumed to be the nominated candidate for the Reps but it might not happen. Meanwhile, voters could simply be choosing between the parties. Unfortunately, whichever party is currently in power is often not the preferred party in polling results, i.e. the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

Personally, I think the big decider will be if Trump goes to prison. When it's decision time, hopefully a significant chunk of the voters will say they don't want a convicted criminal running the country. It's all what-ifs at present.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Nov 23 - 03:34 PM

Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump, is set to appear at his New York fraud trial, and her evidence could be key

It's a long article but the headline on the news page list is: "Ivanka Trump tried and failed to avoid a court date. It could lead to big problems for her dad"


"Glenn Kirschner, a legal commentator who worked as a federal prosecutor for 30 years, says her efforts to avoid appearing could be a 'red flag' for the family.

"'I do think she represents the kind of danger to other Trump family members that perhaps the sons do not represent,' he told the ABC.

....

"Last year, she agreed to be interviewed by the congressional committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riots, giving testimony for eight hours.

“'She clearly, at least in the clips we saw, was unwilling to parrot or to mimic her father's lies,' Mr Kirschner says.

"In one of those clips, Ivanka said she accepted former attorney-general Bill Barr's conclusion that the 2020 election result wasn't affected by fraud.

"'What does that tell us? It tells us that she is not afraid to push back against her father,' Mr Kirschner says.

"'Might we see her sort of take a similar tack in this civil trial?'

"Another Donald Trump critic — his estranged and outspoken niece Mary Trump — is confident she will, saying: 'She's just going to tell the truth and throw him under the bus.'"