Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 24 - 12:05 AM

We all await the decisions of so many judges. It appears the next bit of drama (possibly before the New York trial starts) is the Justice Department moving to take Judge Cannon off of the Florida documents case. She is doing everything to favor Trump and appears ready to set the date and start a trial, only to dismiss it. If she does that, then the Justice Department can't re-charge him. So they have to take it away from her, now that she appears to be unable or unwilling to do her job.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 24 - 03:22 PM

It is reported that his gag order has been expanded following his attack on the judge's daughter. I dunno how or what effect it will have.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Apr 24 - 08:32 AM

Truth Social's stock price valuation has fallen 20%, according to BBC Red Button. What it's truly worth .... I couldn't possibly comment. The look on Tr*mp's face: priceless.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 06:13 PM

Oh, and there is always celebrating freedom and liberty
by removing both.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 05:47 PM

Be it, religion, Wall Street, or the rule of law Trump has used each in a perverse and reverse way to rule the day.

He is the money changer selling religious souvenirs AND the Christ indicted for our sins.

Truth Social stock is being deliberately overvalued for the benefit of a rich guy. Game Stop was deliberately overvalued for the small investor.

The laws and statutes for the protection of a fair court and accused are being used for abject delay. Justice delayed is justice denied.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 04:47 PM

I saw a brief mention of Trump spreading dirt on Joe Biden by posting an image from the side of a truck of Mr Biden hog tied. Will he get charged with inciting violence on social media? I hope he does.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 04:17 PM

Since Trump was able to smear Fani Willis in Georgia, he's moving on to the next case and trying to smear the daughter of the judge in the New York fraud case. If he can get some hearings based upon his lies, delays might happen. The gag order needs to be tightened.

It has been suggested that Trump is being so aggressive toward Merchan's daughter because if he is found in contempt of court, Trump can appeal that. Another delay.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 03:28 PM

The Economist is also a good source for factual news but you are limited to the number of articles you can open

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 05:06 PM

In case you had not realised, ITV stands for Independent TeleVision. Its news is ITN - Independent Television News. Which gave us the original "news at ten" programme. A very good and impartial in depth news piece.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 01:08 PM

As I would have continued before I suffered contributus interruptus ....

The Beeb is supposed to be impartial. Sadly, there's a tendency for it to lean in the direction of whichever party happens to be in power in the Commons, as it knows which side its licence fees are buttered on. Then there's the perception problem: whichever side is in opposition will perceive, loudly, that the Beeb leans towards the side in power. (In particular, when Labour are in power, the Tory press goes rabid.) And that's before we consider who appoints the Director General.

Well noted about Channel Four, BWM. I'd see that more if they did a rolling-news channel .... but then they'd get noticed more, and draw unwelcome attention.

PS: Point of order: Who was it that said that the fourth estate was a fifth column? a masterfully mixed metaphor.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 12:38 PM

The Independent and The i Newspaper are the ones I regard as being the best for impartiality, and those are the ones I (mostly) read and trust. Also I’m inclined towards the Guardian - although I have less faith in its impartiality, its political bias is the right way (Left, actually!) for my taste.

For TV news, I’m pretty trusting of Channel Four News, which seems to have wider scope than BBC News. The BBC is, of course, headed up by a number of rabid Tory supporters so, although it’s supposed to be impartial, I strongly suspect a bias towards the Right.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 10:25 AM

That's what I wondered about. Rupert Murdoch is one I avoid; his version of news isn't good for anyone.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 10:23 AM

Personally, I get my news from the satire shows (The News Quiz, the late lamented Now Show) on the Bee, and the New European, on a weekly basis. The daily news feeds concentrate on the froth on top of the wave; I'd prefer to keep tabs on the tide underneath both.

Climate is what you expect; weather is what you get.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 10:16 AM

BBC is the national TV station, owned by the government and funded by TV licence fees so ad free. ITV is independent and funded by advertising revenue so was the first alternative to the BBC. There are now others such as channel 4 and channel 5 which encompass a whole gamut of other independent channels. Sky and Sky news is owned by Rupert Murdoch and while it is not as biased as Fox, I would be careful of any editorial comment from them.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 10:05 AM

Thanks for that rundown of the options. This is what I see when I search for ITV. It looks like it's a television or radio channel there? Probably works a lot like National Public Radio with it's website - the stories on the page are often the transcriptions of the story you can listen to. It also offers an upgrade - is that ad free or something else?

One that has promoted itself over here via YouTube is Sky News. Where do they land in accuracy and leanings?

I grew up near the US/Canada border and used to watch Canadian channels all of the time, but am out of the habit. It looks like the news blockage doesn't go both ways, I can see and read CBC. (Before we lost gnu I was in the habit of copying whole articles and pasting them into messages so he could read them, after that law last year started blocking US news content.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 08:33 AM

I forgot the Daily Express which is another rag.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 06:35 AM

I don't think that any of them offer anything better but they do offer US news that is equal to your own newspapers. They all have correspondents that live and work in the States and ensure that the reports from them are an accurate reflection of what is actually going on. The focus of UK media will inevitably have a UK bias but that does not make them unreliable. For your information the BBC and ITV news are pretty factual as are most newspapers. The ones I would not rely on and fall in the sensationalist category are, in my opinion, the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Daily Mirror. The Times and the Telegraph are pretty right wing but generally report facts. The Guardian and the Independent are probably the most unbiased.

And sorry you had to wait for the reply but the time difference meant I have been asleep for most of it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 05:35 PM

When the US senate was in GOP hands McConnell stacked the judicial deck as much as he could. What McConnell did to the US was leave it vulnerable to the machinations of the Trump and Federalist Society ilk. Watching all of the moving parts is where Americans are focused, those who want to shore up the US Democracy. If we end up with a three-fer, with Biden, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House (each of the two later with enough of a majority to work past the nutcases who would burn the house down), some of these things must get fixed. And the Supreme Court will gain at least two more members.

We're not looking to Al Jazeera for strategy in the US elections. They are helpful when telling us how Israel is misbehaving (something the US also needs to address - Netanyahu must go - to prison.) The Guardian and BBC are in my news feed on a couple of social media, but usually if one hits a link to other UK papers or sites it is sensational stuff to do with the royal family or some lamebrain thing Piers Morgan has uttered. What UK news source offers a better outlook on US politics than a range of mainstream US papers? I await your list.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 04:39 PM

James Carville says there is a double hater vote and F it all voters that could go to a 3rd candidate. Biden doesn't have many F it all voters but Trump probably does. So if a third candidate does get in all the states it probably won't hurt Biden that much.

F it all is not to be confused with the SNL pharmaceutical Fukital.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 03:50 PM

More accurately the little pig went wee, wee, wee all the way home.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 02:53 PM

Polls have just become another source of disinformation.
In 2016 Trump polls said he was 12% ahead. He wasn't.
This is an era not unlike McCarthyism when people will not respond truthfully when asked a political question because of a fear of exposure or retribution. It is hard to know who is doing the asking.

Even if a poll is named Honest Injun I don't know how truthful it is.




Rhetorically there are different meanings and inclusions of the word 'we'. There is a universal we, a corporate we, and a personal we. ...and this little piggy went we we we all the way home.
then there is wee wee. I hope we are above questioning what the meaning of is is.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 02:50 PM

I am certain that SRS is referring to the American voters who will decide in November.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 12:11 PM

So, people on an obscure folk music forum are working to prevent Trump becoming president?

He must be quaking in his boots...

Maenwhile our unreliable UK news and news from the rest of the world (Try Al Jazeera for instance) is telling us we should be really worried. Sorry if that doesn't fit with the Mudcat view :-(

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 11:56 AM

Sandman, you're reading your unreliable UK news. You folks need to stop telling Americans what you fear most - we're working to prevent it and your constant harping is just annoying. Don't jinx us. There is a lot of nuance in the political churn here that you aren't privy to.

Yup, Lighter, most of the actual cases of illegal votes are coming from the GOP side of the ledger. Here in Texas, Mason should be planning a lawsuit for the lost time, jobs, and extra incarceration she was subjected to.

And yes, Don, the ACLU has landed on the wrong side of a couple of recent battles, when the GOP person claiming their speech rights were violated was attempting to do real harm with their claims or lies.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 07:58 AM

And there's this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/28/georgia-republican-illegal-voting/

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 07:17 AM

favopurite sounds like a hand sanitizer.
The woman who was imprisoned for voting did not even cast a real ballot. She voted on a provisional ballot which is not counted.
She was basically guilty of voting while black.

Perhaps you do not see an actual Trump supporter below the line here.
Because of extreme cancel culture woke liberalism they have each been eliminated and in some cases have subsequently died. A moderator would claim it is done to eliminate conflict or danger. Having different points of view is a given but putting a POV into social media has led to death threats, violence, and mayhem. A different liberal would argue that they would fight to preserve free speech even for political cultists or Nazis. It is an unsettled debate but it does have an element of extremism on both sides. For a nongovernmental entity, true free speech is not a Constitutional guarantee, so case closed.

Here is an example of dangerous; words, drawings and documents.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 07:00 AM

Thank you for your explanation SRS.

As for your comment "You can AND SHOULD simply ignore the posts you don't like or understand" I was brought up and educated to ask questions all the time. Not to do so would result in ignorance, a state that is far too prevalent.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 03:23 AM

Trump is favopurite to be next president

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 12:30 AM

Trump's followers are broken and they love to support each other in their evil endeavors. There was a famous case in the US of Crystal Mason, from the county where I live, who was absurdly charged, sentenced, and threatened with five years of prison for voting. She had previously served time but thought she had fulfilled all of the requirements to regain her voting rights. The GOP politicians in Texas have hounded and harassed her since 2016. By being charged (even though she wasn't guilty) she had to return to prison to serve more time from the earlier conviction; she shouldn't have had to do that. And then she was out on a bond all of this time while her case was on appeal. This is those broken GOP folks doing everything they can to torment people like Mason who is both Black and a Democrat. Texas appeals court overturns Crystal Mason’s conviction, 5-year sentence for illegal voting.

You can AND SHOULD simply ignore the posts you don't like or understand or because you have a bone to pick with who started it. Move along, there is nothing to see here. Steve Shaw got kicked out for fighting and is not coming back. Don't follow his example.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 08:14 PM

"Broken people love other broken people but there are only so many broken people. Broken people do make good prison guards in a cathartic way."

Could some nice person kindly explain this last post to me?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 07:34 PM

It doesn't look like Trump is expanding his base even with Bannon's help by claiming a top priority is to jail Democrats and immigrants in jails/camps. Broken people love other broken people but there are only so many broken people. Broken people do make good prison guards in a cathartic way.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 06:36 PM

Your best post ever.

Trump is competing in his golf course tournament. Biden said Trump should get 3 free birdies if he carries his own bag.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 12:50 PM

500!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 10:23 AM

Don I've heard about the event but video wasn't allowed by participants - is Biden releasing clips? I'd love to see the end with all of the aviator glasses. (Trump must be seething. Good.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 10:20 AM

Con skills with money is one of his best strengths.
Paying off debts with special poker chips was one of his clever cons.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 09:57 AM

How Trump Paid $100 Million in Legal Fees is a short video with graphs and charts showing how he has been doing it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 09:17 AM

Woo Hoo the comedy styling of Steven Colbert and PRESIDENTS Clinton, Obama, and Biden was very funny last night. It should have been televised but some of the jokes about Trump may have been over the top for prime time.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 07:32 AM

> attempting to intervene in the divine text

I was surprised that the Bible he was holding up on That Photoshoot didn't catch fire. Perhaps it was a copy of the Wicked Bible, which amongst other things happened to omit "not" from "thou shalt not commit adultery".

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 05:26 AM

btw John Eastman was Judge Clarence Thomas' clerk.
All Thomas interns and clerks share strong racist attitudes.
Clarence insists his staff must share his own attitudes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 05:06 PM

Funny how similar the verbal heft of "persecuted" and "prosecuted," but the one that matters is the second.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 02:55 PM

"They have persecuted this man so much, but he always emerges triumphant."

That's what "many people are saying."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 01:40 PM

Well, Donuel, is that because he is attempting to intervene in the divine text - as MaJoC cleverly said, "altered (per)versions" of the Bible? :-)


US judge backs disbarment of ex-Donald Trump lawyer, John Eastman, for alleged election interference

"In short: A US judge has recommended a former lawyer of then-president Donald Trump lose his California law licence over attempts to keep Mr Trump in power after the 2020 election.

"Joe Eastman faces 11 disciplinary charges in the state bar court stemming from his attempt to create a legal strategy which then-vice president Mike Pence could use to interfere with the certification of President Joe Biden's victory.

"What's next? The judge's recommendation now goes to the California Supreme Court for a final ruling on whether he should be disbarred.

......

"State Bar Court of California Judge Yvette Roland's recommendation, issued Wednesday local time, will go to the California Supreme Court for a final ruling on his disbarment.

"Mr Eastman can then appeal the top court's decision.

"His lawyer, Randall A. Miller, didn't immediately respond to an email from Associated Press seeking comment on the decision.

"Mr Eastman faces separate criminal charges in Georgia in the case accusing Mr Trump and 18 allies of conspiring to overturn the Republican's loss in the state."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 01:29 PM

I'm starting to see why the religious right believes Trump has divine intervention on his side.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 11:45 AM

Trump is today trying to get the Georgia case thrown out on the basis of his First Amendment rights. Doesn't matter if he said was a lie, the best remedy, according to his lawyer, is the truth, not prosecution.

Trump Trials Clearinghouse

Trump's Georgia election subversion case faces key hearing - from CNN, it looks like a story that will be updated.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Mar 24 - 11:07 AM

I'd have to check Ezekiel, but I know John the Divine put in a "thou shalt not tinker with this text" clause at the end of Revelations. (He may, of course, have been quoting.)

Perhaps the earliest known copyright declaration :-) ? I know the Revised Standard Version was copyrighted by its compilers, with great reluctance, to stop it appearing in altered (per)versions, as had happened in the past.

Meanwhile, back at the point, one of the medieval saints complained that there were enough pieces of the True Cross doing the rounds to make a ship, or perhaps an entire fleet. Methinks there'll be enough pieces of the True Suit going around to clothe a navy.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 11:35 AM

According to U.S. population growth figures, its more like four per minute. (Estimated.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 11:11 AM

Who falls for such bunk?

Smart people, people with poor listening skills, people who believe in self-referenced sources, people who believe a personal acquaintance over a distant source, people who believe in the loudest shouter, and people who hear the most repeated message.

It's easy to have a narrow bandwidth with listening and actual understanding. We have different confirmation biases. It's easy to get sidetracked and miss the point or accept anything at face value.
You are likely to believe anything that you are already conditioned to accept, While hypnosis can be used for brainwashing it falls outside the above parameters.

Anger makes people defensive and blocks interaction except for arguing against a misinterpreted premise.

TRUE LISTENING DOES NOT CREATE COMPLIENCE. It makes for more rational understanding be it a response to a positive or negative narrative.

LISTENING WELL is hard work. It's easier to be lazy.
Poor listening begets more poor listening.

P.T. Barnum said a sucker is born every minute. Thats BS.
Its more complicated than that.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 09:43 AM

Trump says in one of the blips that it's his favorite book and he has them all around the house.

You can't make up this stuff.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 09:16 AM

24% will always fall for it.
Be it Alex Jones lying about no kids shot at Sandy Hook just to sell his vitamin supplements or Trump's lies to sell his brand,
there are too many con man bad boys selling their line of lies.
Religion is just the oldest con. Even science and academia sometimes take a page from religion for grant money.

It is possible that you have a figure in which you are willing to sell out, most people do. And they often go dirt cheap.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 08:41 AM

”It's "The only Bible endorsed by President Trump!"

Makes a change from selling snake-oil.

”Recent Trump supporter: “The hand of God is upon him and he cannot be stopped.”

More likely the hand of Satan. Do Americans really fall for this kind of hog-wash?