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Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 24 - 06:34 AM

The Court has ruled that a State may now legally send an insurrectionist to Congress.

They took the front tooth out of the 14th amendment.
Now Congress would have to make a law to keep an insurrectionist from holding federal office. The Court looks like Alfred E Newman to me.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Mar 24 - 08:01 AM

As I understand it, state's can still disqualify "oath-breaking insurrectionists" from state and local ballots.

The court's opinion regards national candidates only.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 24 - 04:48 PM

Congressmen and Senators hold a legislative federal office. The way the decision was written sort of updos part of the intent of the post-Civil War amendment.

North Carolina has a lieutenant governor running for governor who is a leader of the KKK. States can be as nutty as they want. I want to see better protection for federalism.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 10:36 AM

Trump won all but Washington, D.C. and the Vermont primaries so far, and this morning Haley "suspended" her campaign. The commentators on MSNBC were talking about her approach to saying in essence that Trump has to earn her vote, and also that (having read her book before this campaign) her role model is Margaret Thatcher. So that pretty much tells you what we'd get if she were to be elected.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 10:52 AM

Not as bad as Tr*mp, but plenty bad enough.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 01:31 PM

Although Haley would not get my vote if I lived in the U.S., I think that she has achieved one of her goals of showing the voters that there is an alternative to Trump. I don't think that she said everything she would have liked to say about him, and I suspect she was trying not to get his supporters offside while chasing votes. I think she is setting herself up as a possible candidate if Trump gets convicted on some of his serious charges or for the next election. I'm basing my opinions on the comments and opinions expressed in the Oz TV show Planet America, on the (Oz) ABC News coverage and on the Washington Week with the Atlantic TV show.

I also think that her chances of success were reduced because she is a woman and I suspect a lot of male and some female voters cannot conceive of a woman being President.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 02:04 PM

Nikki is out, so god help us.
Nikki Haley was the only person
Who should be President.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 04:21 PM

There are many fools
who say what is expedient
walks it back the next day
and wants it both ways
as long as their lies
preserve white rule.


To correct Nikki;
there was slavery here
book burning is bad in any form
voting for Trump is not a foregone conclusion
Culture war and identity politics are totally toxic


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 24 - 05:55 PM

I mentioned how the House can perform a legal Constitutional coup.
In conjunction with that is the Republican disqualification laws that allow a private citizen to send a postcard demanding a reply or be eliminated at the polls since the postcard not being returned is considered proof of nonresidency.

It worked on me so I could not vote against W the second time.
Its an old trick but is now appearing in most States.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 24 - 05:33 PM

If you are not political now and Trump seizes power, every aspect of your life will be political just to keep your lights on.
Businesses like utilities nationalized under Trump loyalty is a typical tool of authoritarianism.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 12:35 AM

Intel agencies eye brief for Trump, amid fears he could spill secrets
It’s standard practice to share classified information with presidential nominees, but the decision to brief Trump if he becomes the GOP nominee this year is loaded with political and potentially legal risks.
The briefings, which are managed by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and approved by the White House, normally take place after the national conventions in late summer.

It’s unclear when Trump’s trial will take place or whether the case will be decided before the election.

Several current and former intelligence and national security officials who spoke with POLITICO said the normally humdrum decision was fraught with unusual risk this year due to the pending court case and Trump’s historically cavalier attitude toward national security information.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 24 - 05:15 PM

If you want to know who is really behind the anti democratic forces in America, you are in for a treat: Noam Chomsky


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Mar 24 - 05:50 PM

What did you intend to share? That was a commercial for an ambulance company.

Meanwhile, Ex-chief of staff criticizes Trump for Hitler talk.
Retired Gen. John Kelly, who served as White House chief of staff in the Trump administration, recounted several conversations where former President Trump spoke favorably about Adolf Hitler, saying the Nazi leader had done “some good things” and had inspired loyalty within his military.

Kelly spoke about the conversations in an interview with CNN anchor and chief national security analyst Jim Sciutto, who is publishing them as part of a new book, “The Rise of Great Powers.”


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 03:11 AM

Well, it seems that Tr*mp has succeeded in achieving the ‘Primaries’ stage of his intended return to the White House. The lumberingly-slow US courts had better get a move on and convict him on a few of those 91 charges soon. If they don’t, I’d stake my pension on him becoming #47. A ghastly prospect.

God Help America.

BBC News


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 08:06 PM

The judge dropped six of the charges in the Georgia trial but left the rest intact.

Judge dismisses some Trump Georgia election subversion charges but leaves most of the case intact
The partial dismissal by Georgia Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee leaves most of the sprawling racketeering indictment intact.

McAfee ruled that six charges in the 41-count indictment related to Trump and some co-defendants allegedly soliciting the violation of oath by a public officer lacked the required detail about what underlying crime the defendants were soliciting.

Trump was named in three of the counts specifically, meaning the former president is now facing 88 charges over the four criminal indictments in Georgia, New York, Washington, DC, and Florida.

The rest at the link.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 24 - 01:54 PM

The judge in the Georgia case seems to have split the difference - Willis can stay if her special prosecutor departs, but it was difficult to hire that special prosecutor because of the notoriety that surrounds any Trump cases. Takeaways from the scathing ruling that allows DA Fani Willis to remain on the Trump election subversion case

Trump is waging a war of attrition - gradually pushing back and knocking off cases, charges, hearings, trials. His appointee in Florida is complying with his wishes by holding frivolous hearings and offering non-decisions that can be challenged later. It's disgusting to watch. And now all of these documents being released in the New York case - NY prosecutors tell judge they’re willing to delay Trump hush money trial until late April
The proposed delay in the New York trial is in order to give Trump’s lawyers time to review new materials turned over by federal prosecutors this week, the DA’s office said.

The US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York sent about 31,000 pages of discovery material Wednesday and will have more to share, the new filing states.

The DA's office has to look over those papers also, not only the defense attorneys. With turns like this it looks like Trump has plants in that District office who are scoring points with delay and then overwhelm cases close to trial. How difficult would it be to work out such a plan?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:08 AM

Trump could be the next president, as regards foreign policy is he any worse than Biden?,it is possible he might be less of a warmonger


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:22 AM

Rapist, insurrectionist, philanderer, the world's most well-documented liar, one of the lowest ranked U.S. presidents of all time. What's not to like?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:36 AM

...fraud, cheat...


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:37 AM

...lazy, incompetent...


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 08:15 AM

The claim that Biden is a "warmonger" comes straight from the Trump campaign.

What war has Biden started?

In 2016, Trump told a rally, "In a certain way I *love* war. As long as we're winning."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 11:12 AM

This thread is to do with Trump's court cases. An occasional redundant reminder of what a horrible human being his is can be thrown in periodically. With the exception of those nations with dictator leaders the rest of the world is scared shitless that Trump could come to power again. I suspect all American ex-pats are urged by the residents of their current countries to be sure to vote for Biden.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 24 - 08:28 AM

So Trump has won the delay game with lawyers, judges, and even Merrit Garland. That is not winning the Presidency. Don't bet your pension.

Americans by in large would rather be citizens than royal subjects.
Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th but he has promised a bloodbath, dictatorship, and treason trials.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 03:50 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 10:46 AM

Dick, don't just drop a link, say something. And while you're at it, stay on topic and stop starting new thread that people will fight about.

Back when Trump was first elected and in office in 2017 he bragged about the size of his crowd at the inauguration and fact checkers disagreed. He insisted that all federal agencies toe the line as far as saying anything about his success and prowess attracting crowds or anything else and one little national park (Badlands) in the upper midwest said "nope" and published the photos anyway. At that point all of the "ALT" sites started up - Alt-NPS, Alt-CDC, Alt-USFS, Alt-GOV, Alt-you-name-it. He is fighting tooth and nail to keep himself out of court and from having a federal conviction that would be the clearest sign he can't hold the Presidency. So far it was a single individual, a woman, whose case had him proven to be a sexual predator and a guilty of defamation. Of all the the legal cases against him now, I predict it's going to be a woman making him toe the line and ultimately taking him down. Whether the case about Stormy Daniels or the case in D.C. that Tanya Chutkan is overseeing, someone is going to slip through his legal blockade and nail his ass.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 11:35 AM

Trump's legal team has alerted the New York court this morning (Mar. 18)that they are unable to obtain the bond or cash for the $450B fine that is due next week (Mar. 25), and want it postponed until after the appeal.

I look forward to reading the list of properties that the state AG is ready to seize.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 02:36 PM

Trump faces 'insurmountable difficulties' in securing $464M bond in civil fraud case, his attorneys say
Judge Arthur Engoron had ordered Trump to pay $355 million plus interest.
Dated today (March 18)
"Defendants have faced what have proven to be insurmountable difficulties in obtaining an appeal bond for the full $464 million," according to an affirmation by Trump Organization general counsel Alan Garten.

While Garten said Trump is "financially stable" and maintains "substantial assets," the magnitude of the judgment would require him to use his real estate as collateral for the bond. So far, according to Garten's affirmation, no surety bond provider approached by Trump is willing to accept real estate as collateral, including Chubb, the insurance giant underwriting Trump's $91.6 million bond to cover the $83 million judgment in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case, plus interest.

"For Defendants, this presents a major obstacle," Garten wrote.

Trump's attorneys, who have called the judgment "unconstitutionally excessive," asked an appellate court again on Monday to allow Trump to secure a bond in a lesser amount.

Inflating your assets will have this result. He is reaping what he sowed.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 05:27 PM

> While Garten said Trump is "financially stable"

Was it just me, or did anybody else see the above and hear "stable genius" go *clang* in the backs of their heads :-) ?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 12:52 PM

Trump has a lot of real estate but nowhere near as much as Henry the Eighth did.

He can't convert the property to cash in a week so Trump has re-hired Paul Manifort fresh out of prison to get Russian oligarchy cash like he did before and again manage Donald's election campaign.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 01:20 PM

There are laws about citizens negotiating with foreign governments; Reagan probably broke the law when he had envoys communicate with Iranians to keep the US hostages until after the inauguration, to deny Carter the success of getting them free before the election. Trump is probably doing a lot of things behind the scenes that should be sussed out now and held against him.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 07:40 AM

Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th

Trump has been married three times. How is this one marriage away from the six wives of Henry VIII?

Trump was found guilty of fraudulently inflating the value of his assets. As you continue to make comparisons between the former President and the Tudor king, Donuelle, is it OK for you to use inflated data are are you just bad at history/sums?

DC


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 11:30 AM

The House of Representatives sideshow is still trying to tar Biden with the same brush as Trump - they are desperate to impeach Biden to say they're just the same. It's an embarrassment, how those toadies are behaving instead of doing the nation's work.

Meanwhile, I read somewhere yesterday that Letitia James might take Mar-a-Lago, but since it's in Florida and they have particular rules about protecting property (mostly from bankruptcy) I question whether that is on her list. (The Florida governor would protest.) She'll have to seize properties IN or registered in New York. (Trump has been moving accounts out in order to protect assets - pundits talk about his inability to plan to pay the inevitable settlements by selling property; his plan has involved moving it and not paying at all.)

Full List of Donald Trump's Properties Letitia James Is About to Take

  • Trump Park Avenue, New York, N.Y.
  • Trump Tower, New York, N.Y.
  • 40 Wall Street, New York, N.Y.
  • Seven Springs, Westchester County, N.Y.
  • Trump International Hotel and Tower, Las Vegas, Nevada
  • Mar-a-Lago, Palm Beach, Florida
  • Trump National Golf Club Westchester, Briarcliff Manor, N.Y.
  • Trump National Golf Club Charlotte, Mooresville, North Carolina
  • Trump National Golf Club Colts Neck, Colts Neck, New Jersey
  • Trump National Golf Club, Washington, D.C., Sterling, Virginia
  • Trump National Golf Club Hudson Valley, Hopewell Junction, N.Y.
  • Trump National Golf Club Jupiter, Jupiter, Florida
  • Trump National Golf Club Los Angeles, Rancho Palos Verdes, California
  • Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia, Pine Hill, New Jersey
  • Trump International Golf Links Scotland (Aberdeen)
  • Trump International Golf Links Scotland (Turnberry)

There might be agreements with some of the other states, and she might be able to put a hold on the UK properties. We will learn what is possible once we see what she decides to seize. I wonder if all of these would even add up to the amount he owes? It doesn't look like it. A few million here and there, but anything claimed will have encumbrances and taxes and such so a sale will probably reduce by more than half what the state gets from each property.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 01:44 PM

In theory Trump, a private citizen, could get as much as he wants from a Russian oligarch, or a Saudi oligarch, etc., so long as that oligarch is a private citizen and not under U.S. sanction.

Or so says an expert on MSNBC.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 05:22 PM

It depends on if he starts making promises to world leaders about what he will do if elected. That, in my understanding, is illegal.

Meanwhile, the non-esteemed New York Post suggests that Trump will let James grab Trump Tower, but it's probably leveraged and the value, if sold, isn't enough to meet the amount of the penalty. Trump’s failure to secure a bond could put his New York properties on the chopping block (from CNN) looks at other NY buildings also.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 08:02 PM

If he did make promises, or divulge secrets,who would know?

And if they did, how many years before he'd stand trial?

And before all appeals would be exhausted?

Of course, if he's elected, no problemo!


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 10:07 PM

You think Trump can keep a secret about making a deal with a strongman dictator who he admires?

Tonight the discussion of multiple smaller bonds (instead of one massive one that no banking entity will touch) was discussed on a news show. Unless there in an announcement, we're all waiting till Monday to see what happens.

Get the popcorn ready.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 24 - 06:56 PM

Trump's pyrite fool's gold cup runneth empty. In a deposition, he said he had over 400 million cash. Did he lie then or now?

If he gets a loan the donor must overlook that Donnie was just convicted of fraud but most of all his promises are worthless.

Hey buddy can you spare a HALF BIL?


They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or property to rent
I was always there right on the job
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With cash and glory ahead
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for jail?
Once I was railroaded, then I would run
Made a con in real time
Once I built a brick road, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a half bill?
Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell
Full of that yankee doodly damn
Half a million boots went sloggin' through hell
And I was the kid with the scam
Say, don't you remember, they called me Trump
It was Trump all the time
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal
Say buddy, can you spare a half bill?
Once in swanki suits, ah gee we looked swell
Full of that yankee doodly damn
Half a million suckers went sloggin' through hell
And I was the kid with the scam
Oh, say, don't you remember, they called me the Donald
It was the Donald all the time
Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal
Buddy, can you spare a half bil?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 24 - 08:51 PM

He has until midnight on Monday, March 25, so on Tuesday any liens will be filed by the NY AG.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 21 Mar 24 - 09:44 PM

That's funny, Donuel! LOL


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 08:25 AM

How desperate is Trump for cash, let me count the ways;
He has replaced everyone in the RNC so he can now take his cut for legal defenses before any money goes to the RNC. That way he can say no money from the RNC goes to his defense fund.
He cannot afford all the victim victory rallies he used to have so he may have to charge at the door with a promise of a door prize.
No more free helicopter rides for the kiddies. Instead of country music celebrities, he will have heroes like Rittenhouse at his fewer
rallies. He can't afford all the Facebook ads he used to have so he will rely on Musk's X Posts. Trump might have to secretly place bets against his winning on all the online betting sites. He might even urge his real patriots to make up stories for GoFundMe sites and give him the money. His private airliner will miss crucial maintenance due to cutbacks and possibly strand him in Minnesota. Having to ask his son-in-law for cash could be the final humiliating insult.

This could be the only election where a candidate gets more money from foreign sources than domestic. This is possible because of the Citizens United decision.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:41 AM

According to a notification from the New York Times this morning Truth Social just merged with some shell corporation and Trump will get about $300m from that. Finalized today. I found a story about it from The Hill so it should be readable by all.

Digital World shareholders approve merger with Trump’s Truth Social
Shareholders in Digital World Acquisition Corp. (DWAC) approved a merger with former President Trump’s media startup on Friday teeing up Truth Social’s stock market debut and a potential $3.5 billion windfall for Trump.

The long-delayed merger between the blank check company and Trump Media & Technology Group received regulatory approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) last month.

Trump stands to make about $3.5 billion from the deal, given the nearly 79 million shares he would control in the newly merged company.

All of those moving parts. We were looking at the bank accounts and the buildings, forgot about that worthless scourge on the social media world. It seems someone wants it (and the party he merged with must be bigger and nastier than he is.) It will trade on the NY Stock Exchange as DJT. Of course it will.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:53 AM

Evidently it will be difficult for Trump to liquefy that bonanza,
and impossible before midnight Monday.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:57 AM

This is where he might approach the court and ask for time to liquidate part of the proceeds. It depends on how long (or if he wants to do it. It may be his nest egg for the future.)


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:07 AM

Trump has just announced that he has $500,000,000 in cash.

Origin undisclosed.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:39 AM

An NPR article: Trump is on the verge of a windfall of billions of dollars. Here are 3 things to know

I've picked bits out of it but it's a fairly short article and it makes some good points.

"Former President Trump is on the verge of a windfall of billions of dollars — but it may not come soon enough to help him fend off his mounting legal problems."

,,,

"But the process of listing Trump Media has been a rather convoluted saga, much like the business and political career of the former president, marked by investigations, lawsuits and general chaos."

...

"All eyes are on the Digital World shareholders

"The vote by Digital World shareholders should be simple.

"If the shareholders of the shell company do approve the deal, Digital World would become Trump Media in the stock markets as early as next week, trading under the stock symbol DJT, short for Donald J. Trump.

"But Digital World has struggled to find enough shareholders to show up in previous key votes, so there are no guarantees that they can get enough of a quorum on Friday to approve the merger.

"And the process to this point has been far from easy in other ways. Digital World has also faced scrutiny from the Securities and Exchange Commission, and it has also faced lawsuits from key shareholders that are still pending.

"Trump stands to earn billions

"If enough Digital World shareholders approve the deal, the windfall for Trump could be big.

"Trump would own over 50% of the new merged company, a stake that would be worth over $3 billion at current market valuations.

"Analysts agree those kinds of valuations are far removed from the actual value of Trump Media. Truth Social had just over $3 million in revenue in the first nine months of last year and losses of nearly $50 million."

....

"But Trump might not be able to sell his shares soon

"The potential windfall comes at a time when Trump is in dire need of cash.

"On Monday he needs to post over $400 million in bond to settle a civil fraud case, and Trump has been unable to secure a company to put up the cash.

"However, how soon the former president can cash in on his stake in Trump Media is uncertain.

"Under the current agreement, Trump faces a six-month lock-up period, meaning he won't be able to sell his shares in Trump Media during that period.

"He could, however, try to work out a deal that would allow him to sell some or all of his holdings earlier, though a big sale at once would risk sending Trump Media shares sharply lower.

"Trump could also try to find somebody who would loan him the money using his Trump Media shares as collateral.

"But the Trump Media shares would be trading at above what many analysts think it's actually worth, making it difficult for a lender to justify lending him the money."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:56 AM

After reading the NPR article, my main thought is that it's a desperate fire sale: i.e. buyer advantage, vendor disadvantage.

The one thing which the article places possibly in Trump's favour is the potential for it being seen as "meme stock" where Trump's supporters are not looking so much at investing and benefiting financially from that investment but seeing it as a way to support Trump in the political arena, i.e. throwing their money in the ring based on their heart and not their financial reasoning. Alternatively some investors may see it as a quick internet sensation and they will invest and then divest when the popular interest in the shares starts to fall.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 12:22 PM

This will churn through the news cycle today (though right now I see MSNBC is still covering the Israel-slaughtering-Gaza talks and Blinken's visit to Israel today).

The Hill headline: Trump says he has $500 million in cash as lawyers say he can’t post $464M bond

There are mixed messages to parse:
Former President Trump claimed Friday he has nearly $500 million in cash, conflicting with messaging from his attorneys who claim he won’t be able to post the $454 million bond for his civil fraud case.

“THROUGH HARD WORK, TALENT, AND LUCK, I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WHICH I INTENDED TO USE IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform.

Trump criticized New York Judge Arthur Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) who he said knew how much money he had on hand and set the penalty in that range on purpose.

Engoron ordered Trump to pay nearly $355 million in penalties plus interest after finding he conspired to lie about his net worth to receive favorable treatment from banks and insurers. The total sum is now worth more than $454 million with $112,000 in interest added each day.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 05:27 PM

Like I said did he lie at the deposition or is he lying now.
In politics cash is like mother's milk. More important is life itself. Most individuals probably have no real idea how many political assassination attempts have been plotted and put into effect with various results in the United States. Many people may remember the U.S. Presidents who were assassinated, but there were a number of other attempts against political leaders, some successful, others only partially so. Nine American presidents have been targeted while in office. Andrew Jackson was the first U.S. political figure to have been officially recognized as the target of an assassin. Due to the widespread impact of the Civil War and Reconstruction, most people know the basic outlines of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and may recall the successful attempts on James A. Garfield, and William McKinley. Some may recall the failed attempt on the
life of President Harry S. Truman, which occurred while the White House was undergoing extensive renovation and he was residing in Blair House in 1950. Almost everyone is aware of the basic circumstances surrounding the murder of John F. Kennedy in 1963. In addition, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan were all targeted by would be assassins. A review of the violence against American political leaders reveals Franklin D. Roosevelt being targeted when he was President-Elect, but not yet sworn in, in 1933. Three presidential candidates were targets, Theodore Roosevelt, Robert F. Kennedy, and George C. Wallace were all shot while campaigning for votes. Of course, other figures in politics have been targeted. Martinez counts eight governors, seven U.S. senators, nine members of the U.S. House of Representatives, eleven mayors, seventeen state legislators, and eleven judges who have been victims of political assassinations or attempts. This does not count the shooting attempt on several U.S. House members practicing on a ball field recently.
Journal of Strategic Security, Vol. 11, No. 1
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/jss/vol11/iss1/6
DOI: https://doi.org/10.5038/1944-0472.11.1.1665

We know the CIA is a lawless branch of government. You can assume this discussion has happened regarding the 24 election.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 05:39 PM

1 in 5 Presidents face these existential dire threats and therefore is a rational part of a candidate's risk.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 06:23 PM

That was taking the long way around to hint at something that never ever needs to be uttered out loud.

The afternoon pundits suggest that by Trump announcing this deal and all of the cash he has, while the lawyers are trying to come up with a bond or something before 12:01am March 26 means that either he's going to have to put the cash down (and poor little Donald, not use it for his campaign) or admit he lied and he doesn't have the cash.


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