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Subject: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade Nov 20 - repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Nov 23 - 11:23 PM Many of the recent threads (started within the last few weeks) show up as a title but the contents are empty when you click on them. Don't rush out and start a new thread for each of those! Max has been working magic and will gradually populate those threads with the original contents. If you see threads missing some messages (or all messages), post your remarks here and we can start tracking them down. This should only effect recently started threads. If you'll post the URL to the thread and the name, that would help also. This is posted in the BS section for the logged-on members and mostly for the BS stuff, but if you notice a favorite old music thread is missing its contents, you can let us know here also. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Nov 23 - 02:34 AM There seems to be an odd sequencing of posts in some threads. I only checked the last pages of November Songs, British Politics and Trump but the posts are not time sequential |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:04 AM A few mins ago I emailed Joe about recent duplicate posts on the Wellerman thread https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=13706&messages=146&page=3 |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:07 AM posts out of order Mrrzy thread - https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=144273&messages=537&page=11 |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Nigel Parsons Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:08 AM I haven't checked other threads but (Thread 172486) And Hamas attacks Israel part II (Thread 172831) Both appear with threads ordered by name of poster (possibly in member number order?) when selecting 'd' (read in blocks of 50 descending order) although not when opening the whole thread. This also seems to be affecting the order threads are listed with the 'date of last post' being dictated by the last post of whoever heads the list (in both cases 'Majoc the filk') Hope this helps. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Nigel Parsons Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:12 AM Hamas thread when selecting 'd' |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Donuel Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:34 AM Max is a jolly good fellow. |
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Subject: RE: The 'Cat came Back! From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Nov 23 - 10:40 AM At the risk of breaking this thread: In addition to some believed-good threads going 500, I've noticed the 'Cat seems to have developed hiccups: entries appearing duplicated and/or out of order. In this thread (using descending order), I see:
I foresee another nap in the Cat's future. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Nov 23 - 10:58 AM IF you see duplicated posts let us know also. I just looked at the one Nigel linked and it frankly looks odd. We'll have to see what the story is, they seem to be lumped by poster, not by date? |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Nov 23 - 11:00 AM If I open a long one from the name, not the column of 50 or the "d" reverse 50, they're in order. But otherwise, they are arranged by who posted, not date. Hmmmm. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Nov 23 - 11:03 AM Rats: only just seen this thread, after making similar comments about duplication and shuffling in the "Cat's back" thread above The Line. Apologies for duplication of observations. Most embarrassingly, I find my own blethers often moved to the latest-entry position, which makes me look as if I've just commented in bulk. I hereby cease and desist from jogging Max's elbow. Thanks for the heads-up. I moved it down here. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Nov 23 - 11:47 AM Loading threads from the link on the right and letting the whole thing load shows posts in order. Using the "Messages" column and clicking ON THE NUMBER also puts posts in the correct order. The "d" is programmed (I'm guessing) to go to the date, but seems to have instead defaulted to who knows what. The dates aren't in order in the Whiskey In the Jar thread but they're not lumped by names either. It's a puzzle. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Nov 23 - 03:36 PM My tablet on the wifi at a clinic (brought a friend for his colonoscopy) is resisting every initial attempt to open pages. And I'm still seeing goofy lineups when opening in descending order. It could be that the files are still sorting themselves, but I think Max has some tweaks ahead. I opened Mudcat by typing in http: but I should try https. What are people seeing on their different devices and browsers? |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Nov 23 - 05:15 PM ”Loading threads from the link on the right and letting the whole thing load shows posts in order.” What is this ‘link on the right’? I don’t see a link on the right (apart from the ‘trace’ link). ”Using the "Messages" column and clicking ON THE NUMBER also puts posts in the correct order.” Not for me. The first few pages of, e.g., the ‘Brexit & Other UK Political Topics’ thread are in order, but the last page or so comes up grouped by poster ID. Oops. Link on the left (thread name). ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Mrrzy Date: 21 Nov 23 - 05:34 PM Thank you elves! |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 21 Nov 23 - 05:55 PM The Cat came Back! - nov 18 & 19 posts out of order Wellerman 17 & 18th posts still out of order https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=13706&messages=146&page=3 |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Donuel Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:57 PM Most likely a coincidence but clicking on Preview before Submit seems to avoid the 500 error. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Nov 23 - 09:44 PM I just had a talk with Max. If I understand him correctly, what he did was this: he had the Mudcat messages on a 2005 version of SQL, and it took him forever to figure out how to transfer all that data to a new version. But he figured out a way to do it, and he completed that yesterday (20 Nov). He still has some tweaking to do, but the main part of the overhaul is completed. His main question is about data integrity. If you come across any threads that are really screwed up, please post the thread URL and title here in this thread. And if you find any other glitches, post them here. There still will be some error messages, but you should be able to get past most of them by resubmitting. When you go to https://mudcat.org/, you may get a 500 Internal Server error. If you resubmit, you should get into Mudcat. As always, we are a work in progress, so please be patient and generous. We do this for the love of Mudcat. In other words, be nice to us. We do the best we can, and we don't get paid for it. Happy holidays to all who have a holiday this week. If you don't have a holiday, have a good week anyhow. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 21 Nov 23 - 10:08 PM Thanks, Max! Thanks Joe & all who are working to keep Mudcat working |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Nov 23 - 04:35 AM Just some examples of threads in the worng sequence and it doesn't seem to matter whether I go via the number on the rght or the thread title on the left November songs by thread title GeoffLawes 18 Nov 23 - 05:07 AM GeoffLawes 19 Nov 23 - 06:17 PM PHJim 20 Nov 23 - 11:46 PM GUEST,henryp 06 Nov 23 - 05:01 PM GUEST,henryp 07 Nov 23 - 06:23 AM GUEST,henryp 08 Nov 23 - 11:54 AM GeoffLawes 26 Oct 23 - 10:58 AM GeoffLawes 30 Oct 23 - 01:52 PM GeoffLawes 31 Oct 23 - 07:34 AM GeoffLawes 04 Nov 23 - 09:25 AM November songs by number - Page 3 GeoffLawes 19 Nov 23 - 06:17 PM PHJim 20 Nov 23 - 11:46 PM GUEST,henryp 06 Nov 23 - 05:01 PM GUEST,henryp 07 Nov 23 - 06:23 AM GUEST,henryp 08 Nov 23 - 11:54 AM GeoffLawes 26 Oct 23 - 10:58 AM GeoffLawes 30 Oct 23 - 01:52 PM GeoffLawes 31 Oct 23 - 07:34 AM GeoffLawes 04 Nov 23 - 09:25 AM All other threads I have checked seem to be the same whether using my tablet or the desktop pc; Firefox or Chrome; Ascending or descending :-( |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Helen Date: 23 Nov 23 - 11:00 AM I just had a thought about the sorting issue. In the MsExcel spreadsheet, if I go to the Data/Sort function by default it automatically sorts by Column A unless I choose a different column, or columns e.g. date column, then time column. I'm not sure if that relates to the sorting issue here, but I'm wondering if somehow the Mudcat thread data has defaulted to sorting by Column A, i.e. the name of the person posting a comment. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Backwoodsman Date: 23 Nov 23 - 11:16 AM Good idea Helen, but stuff that’s been posted since 21/11/23 seems to be in the correct chronological order. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Nov 23 - 11:28 AM I've been trying to figure the logic of the sorting also. It doesn't seem to be length of the post, but the names don't seem to be alphabetical, though there are messages clumped by name. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Helen Date: 23 Nov 23 - 11:44 AM Nigel Parsons Date: 21 Nov 23 - 06:08 AM said "Both appear with threads ordered by name of poster (possibly in member number order?)". I don't know if there is a member number assigned to us. Also, if I sort a spreadsheet and then add more data on lines at the end, they won't be sorted unless I hit the Data/Sort function again, so the latest entries are still in order of when they are entered. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 23 Nov 23 - 12:15 PM Those posts are in post number order. If you hover over the poster's name in the list at the top you'll see the post numbers. Post numbers would normally be in date order, so those posts (after PHJim) have been all been re-entered with new post numbers. (Anybody using my Mudcat Browser Tools addon may notice it thinks they're new posts.) |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Helen Date: 23 Nov 23 - 01:52 PM Yes DaveRo. Interesting! Looking at this thread Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III it shows all of the list in order by post number except for the last posted comment on 22 Nov 23 - 12:04 PM https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=172859&messages=50#4192198. Looking at the one immediately before it in the list: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=172859&messages=50#4186719 and everything before that is sorted by the last number. Interestingly, the last posted comment dated before 22 Nov 23 - 12:04 PM is dated 20 Nov 23 - 08:43 PM but is sorted numerically https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=172859&messages=50#4186696 |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Nov 23 - 03:49 PM Good catch, DaveRo! And thanks, Helen for the spreadsheet comparison. This stuff is passed onto Max (who may be reading along on the thread anyway). |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 23 Nov 23 - 04:46 PM A user's post history is also in post number order, so those also may show posts out-of-sequence, for example for Geoff Lawes. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Nov 23 - 06:29 PM Another odd thing that I just noticed. The joke thread is currently saying it has 1000 posts but the number of pages is 23. At 50 posts per page this cannot be! Unless it's a joke of course :-D Dunno if others are the same or if it helps at all but I thought I would mention it. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Nov 23 - 10:31 PM We were warned that there were messages that were lost. It may be the post numbers are making the number of pages not line up. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Monique Date: 24 Nov 23 - 01:16 AM Nov. 10th Felipa's post is posted just before my Oct. 28th one on the Mudcat singaround songs not in English thread. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: FreddyHeadey Date: 24 Nov 23 - 08:32 AM Just looking at the Mudcat singaround songs NOT in English thread There is a raft of posts duplicated and allocated a new number but the original messages are still there in the correct order. Monique 03 Jul 23 - 02:31 PM Felipa 04 Jul 23 - 07:21 PM Monique 05 Jul 23 - 01:05 PM Monique 06 Jul 23 - 12:14 PM Monique 10 Jul 23 - 02:21 PM Monique 14 Jul 23 - 08:55 AM GUEST,Felipa 01 Aug 23 - 05:51 PM GUEST,diplocase 03 Aug 23 - 10:05 PM Monique 07 Aug 23 - 01:55 PM Monique 14 Aug 23 - 02:25 PM Monique 26 Aug 23 - 09:00 AM Monique 28 Aug 23 - 02:06 PM Monique 25 Sep 23 - 02:10 PM Felipa 27 Sep 23 - 12:21 PM Felipa 29 Sep 23 - 06:09 AM Monique 09 Oct 23 - 02:28 PM Monique 16 Oct 23 - 02:29 PM Monique 28 Oct 23 - 09:05 PM Felipa 10 Nov 23 - 10:12 PM Monique 25 Sep 23 - 02:10 PM Monique 09 Oct 23 - 02:28 PM Monique 16 Oct 23 - 02:29 PM Felipa 10 Nov 23 - 10:12 PM Monique 28 Oct 23 - 09:05 PM ,,, sorry, I've forgotten the code to leave display uniformly spaced <pre> -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Nov 23 - 10:52 AM FreddyHeadey, By selecting the first few words of your identified duplicates and using search (Control + F) I can see the two locations of the posts and went in and removed three of your identified duplicates, as a test. I put a strikethrough on your list to show which were removed. It's not the safest way to edit threads (get too many screens open and lose track, or have an error code pop up - there are still a few 500 codes in view) but it is doable. I am stopping with three because I don't know if any of these removals affect the linked songs in the index at the top of the page. It's a beautiful thread and I don't want to mess it up! Let me know if you see any change in the functionality. Lyr Add: Mudcat singaround songs NOT in English |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Nov 23 - 03:52 AM Hi, SRS and other Moderators - yes, please don't edit PermaThreads, Origins threads, and DTStudy threads. Let the thread editors take care of them because they may have their own special methods. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Nov 23 - 12:04 PM I've conversed via PM with Monique about that particular thread. We're good. But go ahead and list any of those pages that need work here still - it gives any of the editors a little easier time finding what needs attention. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Helen Date: 27 Nov 23 - 01:31 PM This thread has some repeated posts: Lyr Req: Go home, your mother wants you but it's interesting that it is showing three extra posts but the thread link shows "&messages=7" which is the correct number, i.e. not counting the repeats. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 27 Nov 23 - 04:55 PM The 'Any November Songs' mentioned earlier has '&messages=141' but contains 154 posts. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: keberoxu Date: 01 Dec 23 - 07:59 PM Mrrzy's current BS thread, bless her, does have the post with the date of upcoming surgery, but that post is very much out of order, I had to scroll through a page of posts in order to find it. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Dec 23 - 01:14 AM I haven't figured out how that can be fixed - I tried finding repeats in a different long thread and there weren't any. They're just out of order. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 02 Dec 23 - 10:16 AM I very much doubt if you can fix it with your normal tools. You'd have to change the post number and that will be a database key. You could ask Max to do some scans to identify affected threads - ones whether dates are out of sequence, Then you could see how many of them matter. Perhaps add some comments in red at the beginning of the disordered section. For example this thread where the question follows some of the replies: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=172880 |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Dec 23 - 01:55 AM What other Mudcat features are people testing that are responding inaccurately? Or not at all? |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Dec 23 - 03:36 AM I had a very odd case yesterday where every time I tried to comment on one thread, my browser (Chrome on Android) looped back to a the thread I was looking at before. Can't remember what the threads were though. Sorry :-( |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:47 AM 500 errors are not uncommon (DT search reliably fails with one) but I've had a few of these odd ones recently: (Using https://mudcat.org/?age=1) 500 - Internal server error License Error. You tried to access the Developer Edition from IP address (109.147.163.29). Already two IP addresses are accessing ColdFusion concurrently... Followed by a stacktrace. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: Helen Date: 07 Dec 23 - 02:27 PM DaveRo, I think that some time back we were told that the system would only allow a limited number of message submissions at one time so the error message you get could relate to that: "Already two IP addresses are accessing ColdFusion concurrently..." I usually copy the text of my post before hitting the Submit button, but I have also discovered that hitting the Back Arrow on the Toolbar often takes me back to the page with my text still showing in the Reply to Thread box, |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: DaveRo Date: 08 Dec 23 - 03:04 AM Cold Fusion is the rather whimsical name for the software Mudcat is written in. (If you remember, it was claimed that nuclear fusion was possible at room temperature. Think - something powerful available to ordinary folk in their home!) Anyway, the Cold Fusion Developer Edition is - or was - available free to try out and build an application on your PC. But it's strictly limited - only the developer's PC and two others can access it. Once you deploy your system you have to buy a licence, the cost of which probably depends on the number of users. So nobody except the developer would normally see that message. There's no point speculating about why it was exposed to the internet. It's easy to misconfigure web software. |
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: FreddyHeadey Date: 16 Dec 23 - 05:52 AM https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=171921 BBC Radio This week 2023 31 lines are duplicates in the wrong order
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Subject: RE: READ THIS after Mudcat upgrade & Nov 20 repairs From: FreddyHeadey Date: 16 Dec 23 - 05:57 AM https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=171922 BBC Radio Available for over a year 2 lines are duplicates in the wrong order
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