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BS: Fix the System but first know what it is

Donuel 24 Apr 24 - 08:51 AM
Donuel 24 Apr 24 - 09:22 AM
Donuel 24 Apr 24 - 09:29 AM
keberoxu 25 Apr 24 - 07:16 PM
Donuel 25 Apr 24 - 08:04 PM
The Sandman 26 Apr 24 - 02:23 AM
Donuel 26 Apr 24 - 03:35 PM
The Sandman 26 Apr 24 - 05:07 PM
Donuel 26 Apr 24 - 05:12 PM
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Donuel 29 Apr 24 - 06:55 AM
Donuel 29 Apr 24 - 07:26 AM
gillymor 29 Apr 24 - 08:01 AM
Donuel 29 Apr 24 - 02:09 PM
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Mr Red 30 Apr 24 - 01:14 AM
Doug Chadwick 30 Apr 24 - 03:04 AM
MaJoC the Filk 30 Apr 24 - 07:20 AM
gillymor 30 Apr 24 - 08:34 AM
Stilly River Sage 30 Apr 24 - 10:59 AM
The Sandman 30 Apr 24 - 04:22 PM
Donuel 01 May 24 - 09:22 AM
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Stilly River Sage 01 May 24 - 10:45 AM
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Doug Chadwick 02 May 24 - 04:26 AM
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gillymor 06 May 24 - 07:26 AM
Stilly River Sage 06 May 24 - 10:57 AM
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Subject: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 24 - 08:51 AM

Fix the system and we can fix ourselves and the future. So...
What is the system?
By following the money we can see where regulatory agencies and organizations, corporate and otherwise, get their money.
Each of these organizations eventually end up perpetuating themselves over and beyond what they were initially meant to accomplish.
Yes their own self interest trumps the good they were meant to do.

Lets look at the basic systems of food air and water first.
The American Diabetes Association is sponsored by ; Dannon, Kraft Foods, Oscar Mayer, Velveeta, Lunchables...

The American Cancer Society is sponsored by; Tyson, KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell...

The American Heart Association gets its money from; Texas Beef, Kentucky Beef Council, Idaho Beef Council, Nebraska Beef Council, Colorado Beef Council, Cargill, Tyson, Unilever, Dairy Max, Subway, ConAgra Foods, Farmland Pork, Purdue, Pepsco, Nestles, Mars...

You see the trend that the meat and sugar corporations are the ones that cause the problems.

The government Health advisory boards are sponsored by McDonald's, Beef USA, American Meat Institute, Dairy Management Inc. American Egg Board, Anheuser Busch, Snack Food Association, Campbells, General Mills...

USDA may not say these foods are good for you but they do not warn against them. Yes, processed meat causes colon cancer but big AGRA has all the money of Tobacco and big pharma with the personality of the American Rifle Association and makes laws against filming meat processing and the American Consumption ACT which insulates the producers.

Big Pharma enjoys the problems the food industry causes.

I could go on and discuss how air and water is similar to the food system collusion with the polluters by silencing the problems with money.

I'm only going to say that all the protein is produced by plants, dead animal meat is only recycled plant protein. Shhhh, Corporations don't want you to repeat that fact.

The other systems that need fixing include the tens of thousands of cults and religions that may provide community and cures for loneliness but can have some horrible costs. Systems are protected by thick hard shells of money and are hard to crack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 24 - 09:22 AM

If we were true carnivores we would have long pointy teeth, extremely short digestive tracts so meat would not putrify and we would sleep 80% of the time like cats. If we were true omnivores we would be like bears. We have more in common with gorillas and elephants,


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 24 - 09:29 AM

If you have a pernicious chronic health problem let the first alternative medicine be a plant-based diet.
What the Health?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Apr 24 - 07:16 PM

The arts, too, are part of a system of some sort.
Today's New York Times has got a scathing review
of the Venice Bienniale which has visual arts entries
from everywhere except for the Russian Federation (or whatever name it goes by now).

The critic likes what is on display but
lambastes the curator who decided how to display it,
saying that everything has been "exoticized" amongst other things.
"Patronizing" is the least of it, according to this critique.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 24 - 08:04 PM

The importing of ancient art is quite a system. From Coptic box panels to Trogen helmets. All sorts of antiquities find their way to billionaire basements.

Stolen art like Rembrandt's Storm on the Sea of Galilee from the Gardener Museum is either still in the US or got shipped east.

While the Mona Lisa has been stolen twice the Ghent alter painting has been stolen 13 times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Apr 24 - 02:23 AM

Thankyou Donuel


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 24 - 03:35 PM

Thanks for what. I'm known as the wacky guy who posts half the time about stuff we don't know. Perhaps we may never know or at least the various subjects begin the quest to know with the possibilities of "What Ifs".

There need not be a stigma in exploring what is unknown.
For whatever reason the usual subjects would denigrate such discussions. For me that behavior never served a good purpose.

Sometimes the blind squirrel finds a nut and I've found a couple but I feel as lucky as Forrest Gump in doing so even after an enormous amount of time and effort.

The provisional truth may be out there but for us, we mostly only have clues, what-ifs, or total ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Apr 24 - 05:07 PM

Thanks for your link


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 24 - 05:12 PM

Doors to the unknown are often; follow the money, follow established silence, and phenomenology.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Apr 24 - 03:30 PM

Donuel:

Self knowledge is a good thing. But for you I'll make an exception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 24 - 06:55 AM

There is a philosophical argument that knowledge is evil.
It's unfortunate when people follow that POV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 24 - 07:26 AM

Spoiled bourgeois suburban brats are protesting in support of HAMAS.
They miss the point of protesting war.

Trump's VP hopeful bragged about shooting her puppy and goat.
Ignorance knows no bounds but wisdom is an isolated island.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Apr 24 - 08:01 AM

Also unfortunate is when people confuse fantasy with knowledge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 24 - 02:09 PM

Let's look at your internal system of what you eat.
You are not just feeding yourself, you are feeding your microbiome of bacteria that is mainly responsible for digestion. If you don't have a diversity of bacteria some of the bacteria will eat your own mucus and digestive tract to survive which is not good. 10 calories for me is not 10 calories for another person. It is the good bacteria that does the digestion for you to absorb. A rural person has a more diverse microbiome than a processed food industrialized society. High fiber makes a slower healthier digestion. Sugar foods make for a fast manic digestion. For those who are microbiome-deprived a fecal transplant may be required but most people are not that far gone. gut trailer


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 24 - 02:12 PM

Cults confuse fantasy/lies with knowledge. There are cults within many families as well as religious or megalomaniac cults. This means that there are millions of cults.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 01:14 AM

Quote, James Clark Maxwell.

"To measure is to know"


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 03:04 AM

"To measure is to know"

To measure is to think you know.
To cut is to know the measurement was wrong.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 07:20 AM

Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to track down the origin of:

There is too much in life which is measured with a micrometer, marked off with chalk, and cut to length with an axe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 08:34 AM

Back when I was a carpentry contractor we had a saying, "Measure twice, go broke."


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 10:59 AM

Another system, one I've pondered for a while. The network that Trump has built extra-governmentally. I am beginning to think that along with telling the GOP House and Senate members not to go ahead and fix the immigration problem because he wants to run on the current chaos, he's gone even deeper and met with Netanyahu and promised him something to his benefit if he keeps this Gaza operation going. Look at the impact here, discord among Biden voters like he could only have dreamed of. Netanyahu is probably headed for jail when his term ends. Keeping a war going pretty much assures he stays in office and out of the slammer, and once Trump is in office, his new buddy gets some kind of reward. This is something Trump really should go to jail for, if it pans out this way.

#JaundicedViews


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Apr 24 - 04:22 PM

This is something Trump really should go to jail for, if it pans out this way. quote
have you got the measure of Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 24 - 09:22 AM

For several decades the right has strived to establish what is called the Imperial Presidency. This is over and beyond the power to release nuclear weapons. An Imperial Presidency would minimize the other two branches of government.

This is not Trump's doing but has been advancing over decades step by step. That Trump is pathological is secondary to the right's desire for an Imperial grab for power outside of Democratic processes.

Wall Street has contributed billions to candidates and has had an ongoing stranglehold on former Wall St. CEOs to always be the Treasury Secretary. 2008 was a deliberate inside job.

Despite all the ignorance and warts, Trump is a puppet of the Billionaire class that gladly took 'Trump's' 2 trillion dollar tax cut for the 1% minority rule.

Trump is basically a useful idiot 'Durst' like figure who is rich enough to pay for loyalty and a possible payout. The real evil characters do not seek publicity. They own the boards, clubs, banking Associations and governments.

That Trump is a pathologic, pathetic immature person is a plus for the real bosses in charge. The real bosses have determined that Donald is worth the dangerous risks for the benefits and distractions Trump is known for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 24 - 09:58 AM

Again blaming Trump for everything is like blaming a clerk or salesperson for the evil of corrupt multinational corporate controllers.

A dim-witted clerk could be guilty of being rude and stupid but is usually just following orders.

Clerks do get prosecuted for stealing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 May 24 - 10:45 AM

He's the figure in politics and history of this time that suddenly "normalized" what has in the past decades been considered unseemly and people didn't usually talk about their extreme politics and their illogical desire to vote against their own self interest. He's a tool used by the more discrete power brokers (who are becoming more well-known themselves, if not exactly household names - like Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society, behind the Trump Supreme Court nominations)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 24 - 01:34 PM

I could have mentioned Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society but I'm glad you did. The powers that be tried to advance the Imperial Presidency with W Bush but he was left wanting as well.
Eventually, a populist dummy will seem to have all the skills and talents for Emporer. For my own reasons, I believe Rap's Emporer thread is genius.

Yeah, Trump is political but he is not the ideal authoritarian God.
I wonder if double-faced Trump will flip-flop to support HAMAS to raise his violent mob quotient. So far the protestors at his trial are few in number as low as ONE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 May 24 - 04:26 AM

What happened to "NO new Trump threads'?

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 24 - 06:23 AM

I don't know how to fix the internet but I have picked up a few things about computers.
If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort,
And the address of the memory makes your crappy disk abort, Then
the socket packet pocket has an error to report!

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
And the double-clicking icons put your window in the trash, And
your data is corrupted ‘cause the index doesn’t hash, Then your
situation’s hopeless, and your system’s gonna crash!

If the label on your cable on the gable at your house,
Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
But your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
That’s repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall.

And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, So
your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse,
Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
‘Cause as sure as I’m a poet, the sucker’s gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy’s getting sloppy on the disk,
And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC,
Then you have to flash your memory and you’ll want to RAM your ROM,
Quickly turn off your computer and be sure to tell your mom!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 May 24 - 06:50 AM

> I don't know how to fix the internet

The Web* has been fixed for years. You can't beat house odds, and the house is well and truly Owned.

* Microrant: The Web rides on the Internet; it's just that the Web is all most people see. Disengage pedant mode.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: gillymor
Date: 06 May 24 - 07:26 AM

Hey, Don, you forgot to include title and authorship for the above poem. Here ya go:

What If Dr. Seuss Wrote Technical Manuals?
(original title: A Grandchild’s Guide to Using Grandpa’s Computer)
by Gene Ziegler


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 24 - 10:57 AM

Cults confuse fantasy/lies with knowledge.

If not cults, at least social media super-silos. Echo chambers. Confirmation bias.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 24 - 01:11 PM

Entire nations have a rise and fall of cult points of view.
The fake news of Stalin consisted of propaganda that took the form of forgeries of fake news which is very similar to what they now still do on the WEB.

The system of international politics is still that of the Cold War.
The status of superpowers is a push and pull of nuclear detent versus nuclear superiority. Everyone loses no matter who thinks they are winning. Russia must spend 25% compared to the US 5 to 10 percent on the military. With black budgets, these numbers are only an approximation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 24 - 08:21 PM

The truth is often made a laughing stock by the clueless.
Marjorie Taylor Greene has been lambasted regarding her 'Jewish Space Laser claims'. I don't know what makes them Jewish but orbiting X Ray Lasers were real in Reagan's Star Wars missile defense system.
What may seem preposterous is often the distorted truth.
To sort out the truth following the money today involves following the shell companies which is a shell game designed to fool experts.
The big truth is not merely shocking but almost always has a denominator of thermonuclear weapons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 24 - 02:13 PM

To cut is to know the measurement was wrong.

Measure twice, cut once.

I am sure JCM measured over and over again. He was that kinda scientist.

Anddddddddddddddddddd

Keeping a war going pretty much assures he stays in office and out of the slammer

You sure you ainta talkin' about Putin?

a dog crap bin near me has a picture of him and the words "Poo Tin" which predates Crimea even


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Subject: RE: BS: Fix the System but first know what it is
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 May 24 - 06:20 PM

Measure twice, cut once

.... and still find that the measurement was wrong!

DC


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