Getting fed up with 'guests'

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: bbelle
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:19 PM

I've always enjoyed being in the midst of good company, so I'll join Bugsy, 'spaw, and banjo bonnie ... moonchild

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:14 PM

Well if Bugsy doesn't mine being seen with a moron and Catspaw doesn't mind being seen with a flirt, then I would like to join you guys.

Disenchanted BB

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:06 PM

...and now its my turn to join you Bugsy, if you don't mind being seen with a moron. I'm about fed up with the whole thing myself.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Bugsy
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 09:45 PM

I'm completely lost with all this GUEST shit.

If you're not prepared to identify yourself and register properly - piss off!

It's like standing outside someones party, shouting through the window and expecting people to answer you.

Cheers

Bugsy

whoisusuallyveryeasygoingandlovesthefolkmusicculturebutgettingmoredisenchantedwiththemudcatbytheminute.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Callie
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 07:42 PM

Also, it does not seem possible to send 'personal messages' to GUESTs, as I've just discovered. But this may be due to my lack of capability rather than the system's! Callie

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: paddymac
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 07:41 PM

Guess I might be the contrarian on this thread. The "Guest" business doesn't bother me at all. Although I personally despise those damnable banner ads, perhaps some such device might be appropriate at the mudcat homepage to draw attention to the membership option. As suggested above, some members may enter from other than their home computer and thus appear as a guest. It's nice (and courteous) when "Guest" posters do identify themselves, but it's hardly essential if they are making a relevant or sentient post. I think the content of their idea is more important than knowing their alias or nomme de plume.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 07:24 PM

The problem isn't the GUEST prefix, which is there for a very good reason (to stop the situation where it was possible to post messages using someone else's name, thus sowing confusion. It seems that is how some people get their jollies.

But if two people or more sign in as GUEST, without adding a name, it becomes very difficult to respond to what they are saying. And that arouses the suspicion that they are doing this on purpose to make life difficulty for other people.

If people want to us a pseudonym, fair enough, it doesn't involve that kind of confusion. The only confusion is that, for example one "GUEST, gargoyle" might not be the same as the next "GUEST gargoyle". But that's life. (Incidentally, what good behaviour was that? I could put one of those emoticons in here, I suppose, but I can't think of one that's fitting.)

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Micca
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 06:51 PM

i occasionally turn up with the Guest label but thats because I somtimes post from work where I do not have a cookie( and I suspect I can not because of the set up they use) so if I show as a GUEST thats why.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Sharon
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 06:50 PM

s'cuse me. I'm trying once more.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,sharon
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 06:47 PM

Just checking to see if I'm still a guest. I tried to fix it.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 06:34 PM

It's under Quicklinks, Sharon, at the top of the page--"Reset Cookie". You resupply your user name and password and it restores the cookie it needs to recognize you.

A

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,sharon
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 06:25 PM

And how do I reset my cookie, so that I am not a guest. I used to be a regular Mudcatter, and hadn't been here in quite sometime, and now I find that I am a guest! KInd of like going back to your old home church and the minister says, Oh, I see we have some "visitors" here!

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 05:46 PM

We've had anonymous posters before, and personally I found the blank spaces before THE DAY much more annoying than the GUEST designation. I certainly wouldn't give up checking and contributing to the Mudcat for such a reason. However, if others find it grates then why don't we ask Max to replace the GUEST by a less obvious sign such as @ or $ or &, so that members know this is a guest? Might that provide a solution? - Susanne

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: wildlone
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 04:48 PM

how many of they pitchforks do ee want then, I could get a few by end of week if ee want
dave of Dorset, pioneer.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Gary T
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 04:40 PM

Shambles (or is it The Shambles?), apparently you have no idea how much UPS and Fed-Ex charge to ship a burning pitchfork (still burning, of course). I can't afford to comply! (ROFLMAO, just playing around and hoping others think it's humorous)

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 04:09 PM

I don't hark back to a 'golden age of Mudcat', for I feel that is yet to come, with all the fresh new blood that is now contributing. It is up to all of us to rise to the challenge of these newer posters and not to JUST refer them back to a similar discussion "'We' had two years ago". One of those newer posters appears to have just left, unfortunately (see the 'I love Mudcat' thread').

The events that Rick refers to and subsequent silliness, does highlight a problem. When I first came to The Mudcat, what attracted me was the welcoming and helpful 'tone' and that I detected a feeling that, it was more important, what was being said than who was saying it.

That emphasis changed over time. Now though, with all this (temporary) 'guest' stuff, the identity of the poster is not now certain, we can now only respond (or not) to what is being said and the 'tone' in which it is worded. Which may turn out to be a blessing in disguise? 'Knowing', in a cyber-sense and recognising all these good folk's names is nice but there is a balance to be struck between the personal stuff (being made public) and the music/politics etc. I have always worried about the danger of the forum becoming, just another chat room, where who is saying something is more important than what is being said.

"Send flames and burning pitch-forks to:"

The Shambles.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Lucius
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 04:06 PM

I don't much reckon to being a guest in these parts either, but that's the way that the cookie sometimes crumbles.

I was finally forced to reset my cookie, if only to remove the blasted "guest" from my name.

Point taken.

Lucius (AKA Bob Jovi)

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Gary T
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 04:06 PM

Hi, Rick Daniel. I'm sorry I'm not familiar with that one. I suggest a "lyric request" post (start a new thread) with the song title in it as the most efficient way to get a helpful response.

And thanks for giving us a name. There have been so many posts very recently that say simply "GUEST" that it's been a bit bewildering/off-putting.

Subject: Caballo diablo
From: GUEST,Rick Daniel
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:58 PM

I/m trying to find the lyrics to Caballo Diablo by the charlie Daniels band...

Can anybody help? If ou have them please send them to [e-mail]

thanks!

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:44 PM

Guests? I see no problem with them at all, provided they are contributing to Mudcat in a positive way, be it music or just fun sillyness...

Otherwise they are just another spammer...

Personal? Well nothing is more annony-mouse than the internet, and thats one of the up sides... You are offerd the chance to re-invent yourself everytime you connect to the net... Myself, my first instinct is to dissbelieve EVERYTHING I read in cyberspace... For that exact reason... it takes a lot of time to get to know a REAL person... to get to know someone through what their avatar presents takes much longer... And some would argue that because of the volitile nature of avatars, there is not point in trying to see past them...

Once again, my 0.02

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:39 PM

Good point Rick, my dad told me never to talk to strangers.

BB

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:38 PM

But then, I reply to an anonymous GUEST when I think the info might also be appreciated by others. It's much harder this way to carry on a conversation...it's really just talking to myself...not much fun.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Banjer
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:21 PM

Rick has my backing, for what it's worth. I find myself logging on less and less it seems. Certainly posting less, but I won't let them run me out completely.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 03:16 PM

Amen to that Rick! I think "GUEST" has just afforded some the opportunity to be even more obnoxious.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: sheila
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:30 PM

Shep - Is that northwest _England_, or northwest _UK_ (Sutherland)?
Sheila
Sutherland
UK

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:28 PM

Dave Lever from Bedford Nova Scotia, I am definately not a nonny mouse...Yours, (always) Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:26 PM

I am proud to be a guest.

Perhaps, after a year in exhile, and with time off for good behavior

Max will return my MudCatterenship which was abolished during the OrangeDay/Week Massacree of July 99.

A kitty's tail got caught in the automatic-clip-action of an Armalite, when she tried to "heal the hurting" of the Prods and Greens.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: shep
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:21 PM

Yep

I kind of agree here. I do like to know where you are all from and its nice every so often to see someone sign their name and "general" locality. It helps the feel of the site and those who contribute.

Regards

Shep

Northwest

UK

Subject: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:04 PM

I completely understand why Max had to do something in an attempt to prevent another occurence of the "Mudcat Massacree week-end of silliness" from a few days ago, but some of this is getting tiresome. Is it possible to ask that folks coming in with folk music topics under the "guest" banner at least sign their names? Even a first name would make things a little more personal. When I reply to someone here, I have a picture in my mind (and sometimes an actual one courtesy of Bbc) of who I'm talking to, and a (semi) accurate profile of them from past postings. That is not only important to me but is proving crucial as a reason to be here.

I've been to several other folk-related websites where the conversations at times seem to be moronic in the extreme..but everyone's anonymous, so they don't care.

If someone's got a bee in their bonnet and really doesn't want to be identified then be my "GUEST", but for Pete's sake if you're not mad about something, can you identify yourself?

Send flames and burning pitch-forks to:

Rick