Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:06 PM This is the first anniversary of this thread, and I'm not sure peace is any closer in Ireland. But there are some great songs here, and some really positive energy expressed in them. Maybe someone who didn't participate last time has a song, or some of the talented new folks do. Either way, I wish every one of you a Happy St Patrick's Day! |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 16 Jul 00 - 05:12 AM Down On The Border |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Merlin Date: 15 Jul 00 - 09:30 AM All right,I am a guest who just found Mudcat. I was looking at this discussion and an idea for a part of a song popped into my head. Tunewise I am clueless, but here are the words.
Parents are dying |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: mg Date: 15 Jul 00 - 01:42 AM here's 3 verses...needs a 4th..which I might have.. based on the picture I described..
go home little girl and play with your doll
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Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 14 Jul 00 - 06:55 AM I too saw the film that Brendy refers to.
It does come from one section of the community and was aimed at them. It was young men who have grown up with segregation and have inherited the concept that violence is natural, heroic and the only option.
Not exclusively from either the loyalist or nationalist sides.
If you are used to living in a divided community and especially one where you identified with the oppressed minority, your reading of that Government message is understandable. For you will see all the subtleties that others will miss and be suspicious of the whole thing. If the correct word for this is psychosis, then at least it is an understandable psychosis.
It may be is possible however that someone from the other side would see it as depicting ONLY their side?
Maybe they could have placed the film in a fictitious country or setting but I think the impact would have been less? In truth how could they have have got the message over any better, if they wanted to make it particularly relevant to Northern Ireland? By using English or American actors and their 'Orish' accents?
Possibly I would suggest by having two story lines, one from each community but that may have made it a little unwieldy and confusing?
I may be suspicious of, a such a message from my government, especially if they were not the party of my choice. It would be foolish of me not to take heed of a film that advised me to 'fasten my seatbelt, if the main character was clearly a Scotsman (or an actor with a poor accent), for example. For I could surely still see the common sense in the message? Time for another song, I think …………. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Brendy Date: 13 Jul 00 - 02:42 PM Psychoses or not, GBS, the subliminal 'message' of the advert was to suggest that the violence only stems from one section of the community. Many others, would have developed the same understanding of that advert. Not so many, however, would have seen the significance of it. The accent is also a give-away. B. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 13 Jul 00 - 09:59 AM Does anybody know the poem called The Identification? It's about the "troubles" in Ireland... or one facet thereof... If nobody finds it first I'll try to get a hold of my copy. It tears your heart out and needs music. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GreatBrownShark Date: 13 Jul 00 - 06:16 AM The Northern Ireland Office had an add on TV a few years ago which used the Cat's in the Cradle as the backdrop. It ended with father gazing into his sons coffin while the band sang 'Oh my son was just like me yeah my son was just like me' Very affecting I always assumed the family featured were protestants because the mother had a feathered haircut!! Such are the Irish psychoses. GBS |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 13 Jul 00 - 05:46 AM I can only hope that this current display of the 'monster', in us all, is 'the last roar of the dinosaur, as it marches to extinction'. The Last Roar. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Jul 00 - 05:10 PM Here's a link to Áine and Layne singing my song I mentioned earlier, White Snow - and here is a link to the words on my site. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Jul 00 - 04:48 PM That was beautiful Amergin. Thank you. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amergin Date: 08 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM Here's my very humble contribution to this thread.....
All The Fighting, Lord
Hush my country, don't you cry
It's not too late, dear brothers
As my tears ring out in the moonlit night
I've got an orange sash given to me
There is a wall they call the Peace Line Amergin |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: mg Date: 08 Jul 00 - 01:29 PM I don't have a song but yesterday in the Vancouver (WA) paper there was this most awesome picture...that I think should get whatever prize pictures get...of a little girl in Northern Ireland...about six...looking like she was cheering on a soccor team or something..behind her were a couple of older boys, and another one with a mask on that made his face look like a skeleton....it was one of the most powerful pictures I have ever seen..this darling little girl in front of this ghoul...they had been throwing rocks at the peacekeepers...it was an ap photo. mg |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Barfy Date: 08 Jul 00 - 09:41 AM Perhaps he could start another of his threads to let all the rest of us know when he is appearing, and link it to this one where there should be several other links placed to other questionable offerings of his. Shambles in Hearme - Do you think we could get the producers of Valium to sponsor the event. Any thoughts anyone? |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: katlaughing Date: 08 Jul 00 - 09:31 AM Shambles, you should join us in HearMe, sometime. That's where I first hear this song. It is beautiful and well-meant. Thanks...kat |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 08 Jul 00 - 06:44 AM Good fortune to all good folk in Ireland. My thoughts are with them at this time. Please click on the previous link in this thread and let us ALL sing the song. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 30 Jun 00 - 02:06 PM Reconciliation by Ron Kavana |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,donegal_dan@yahoo.com Date: 18 Mar 00 - 11:16 PM The only song that i think sums up what you are trying to say is the "Island" by Paul Brady which basically is the best song that has ever been written about the North. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,LMH Date: 18 Mar 00 - 05:40 PM I believe no one has yet suggested "Anthem for the Children" written by Tommy (I think) Sweeney, formerly of Barley Bree, who have recorded it. It's the one whose chorus goes . . . And this is what I'd like to have for Ireland, the country that has made us what we are: To breathe the air of freedome In her mountains and her streets, And give the children peace instead of war. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: John Moulden Date: 18 Mar 00 - 07:35 AM A long way above, Eoin O Buadhaigh posted the final verse of the song "Peace in Erin" by a 19th Century poet called Hugh McWilliams. He was born in Glenavy, Co Antrim in about 1783, went to teach on north county Down in about 1800 and published one book of poems when he lost that job in 1816. Another book was published in 1831 at which stage he was in mid-Antrim - Clough - and had been since 1819. He is extraordinary because of thirty two songs in that second book, no fewer than ten can be traced into oral tradition, including "When a man's in love" and "The trip over the mountain" which became widespread. It seems he had a real grasp of what people would want to sing. However, when I first saw the book I was struck by the way in which one set of words I had never heard sung, summed up my views and those of most of those I knew. It was directed to be sung to a tune named as "Rattling Guns" - this I surmised was a distortion of the usual name for Buirns' Ode to Autumn "When westlin' winds and slaughtering guns" - which some will know from the singing of the Voice Squad and others from that of Len Graham. Oddly enough, Len had got his air for the song from, Tommy Kelly, a singer at Newtowncrommellin in County Antrim - almost beside where Hugh McWilliams was, as research showed, living around 1831. The words and air fitted. I started singing the song and as one always should do with a song, gave copies to them as asked and to them as didn't. I now hear it from all sort of places and all sort of people. Áine Uí Cheallaigh has recorded it and I seldom get the chance to sing it these days because someone else in the company gets there before me. It's a song which despite its age, speaks directly to our time and especially to those who value traditional idiom. One small explanation is needed ... To Clough or to the Glens hard by ... is a reference to the fact that in the north of Ireland protestants tend to occupy the towns, villages and lower ground while, certainly in the country, catholics live higher up, where it's less fertile; a survival of the forced population movement at the time of the Plantation - however, High McWilliams showed no bitterness and nor should we. PEACE IN ERIN Tune - Rattling Guns.
Were all mankind disposed like me,
We're formed by one Deity,
What shore can boast so pure an air?
Would freedom fair and commerce smile,
'Tis principle that shows the man, |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Mar 00 - 06:47 PM The Provo song would fit well the tune used for GARDEN WHERE THE PRATIES GROW, with a midi in the DT entry behind that last clicky thing.
It would be appropriate, since it was the the tune used by Brendan Behan (not Dominic for once) for "The Ould Alarum Clock" about a bombing expedition to London on behalf of the IRA at the start of the last war.
It's not in the DT so far as I could find it. I'd be surprised if it's never featured in a thread. (It's a song that's sung a lot less often than it was back in the 60s.) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,SDShad Date: 17 Mar 00 - 06:07 PM Wrong board, too many windows open. Don't mind that last post. Shad |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,SDShad Date: 17 Mar 00 - 06:04 PM Guinness in hand, SDShad contributes another of MacGowan:
I sat for a while by the gap in the wall
So I walked as day was dawning Off to hear pipers and drink stout! Slainte! |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 17 Mar 00 - 03:22 PM Slainte', LEJ!We love you for a Poet!A. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 17 Mar 00 - 03:10 PM M...if you come up with a tune, the songwriting credit is half yours. Just let me hear it! To all of my friends who contributed to this thread - You are truly a wise, wonderful and creative group. I am proud of you for all the songs posted here that either brought a smile to my face, or tears to my eyes. I think that soon this thread will pass into the archives, but I will always remember the positive energy generated by it. And, to you all, I offer this toast on St Patrick's Day : May all your dreams of Peace come true for the Irish, and for us all. May we deal with each other in a spirit of kindness and mutual respect. May we replace the memory of old wrongs with the hope and promise of new beginnings. Slainte' LEJ |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: M Date: 16 Mar 00 - 06:52 PM LEJ--any music to go with The Provo's Song? We're always looking for a new song to sing at the local session. With your permission, of course. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Popular Halfwit Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:11 PM Peace in Ireland. Now thats a wonderful prospect. Finding a song that could symbolise the realisation of what is at the moment only wishful thinking is also a sobering task. When the day dawns on an Ireland truly at peace we will hear the whole world sing out with joy. Meanwhile, i was listening to Leslie Duncans song the other evening. The one with the lyrics,..... "Love is the key we must turn, Truth is the flame we must burn, Freedom is a lesson we can learn, If you know what i mean. Until then,.........
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Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Mike Lipscombe Date: 16 Mar 00 - 05:05 AM Hi Folks...some good reading on my first visit here!! Released a song called "Peace is Breaking out in Ireland" a year or so ago...the two verses are as follows:
Sinn Fein talking peace, never thought I'd see the day
The tears of the innocents, you see the hatred burning The song is on mp3.com in the Irish music/folk section and is called "When peace is breakin out in Ireland" or you might like to hear some New Zealand Irish music by our group KEEGAN at www.mp3.com/keegan1 keep it up Mike Lipscombe (line breaks added by a Joe clone) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Rick Fielding Date: 15 Mar 00 - 12:03 PM I watched an episode of the series "The Irish in America" last night on C.B.C. and it dealt with the 1840s in rural Ireland. It (sadly) takes so much to shock me these days, but my God, what a sad documentary. I have no idea whether the series is reasonably unbiased or not, but when they talked about Trevelyan and his co-horts not wanting to mess with "God's plan for Ireland" (ie: starvation as some kind of retribution for past sins?) I practically fell off my chair. It reminded me that before TV came along to document on an almost day-by-day basis,various famines and atrocities world wide, we could only find out about them years later from whoever wrote the history books..and what political parties those authors belonged to. Rick |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 15 Mar 00 - 09:10 AM Tell ye what -- ye want peace in Ireland, just send Biggus Mickus over there with an ugly stick and a bag of candy. Fix 'em right up, he would... |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Mar 00 - 08:59 AM Is that why Big Mick was made so big, to hold a heart like that? |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Big Mick Date: 15 Mar 00 - 08:54 AM As you might guess, it is taking me some time to get caught up on the 'Cat. Leaving for a couple of months and then coming back to find this gives me hope. And a little sadness. First, the hope. What marvellous, insightful lyrics, my friends. None of the rabid stuff, just hope for a peaceful future for the children. That is all most of us ever hoped for. My dear Alison, MY FAIR ONEI loved the chorus you wrote and I am straightaway building verses for it if you don't mind. We can go over them when I am "on assignment" the next time........LOL. The sadness is for our Trevor. Sir, you and I could probably do battle with the best of them over the issues of Ireland and her troubled relationship with dear old Mother England. But what makes me sad is that you seem to have nothing positive to say in terms of outcome or what you would like to see happen there. You only seem bent on telling us what is wrong with the Irish. Seems like a variation on "the trouble with Ireland is the Irish". If you want to revive one of the threads where we debate these issues, such as "Back Home In Derry", we can have a go at it. Or better yet, why not write a lyric which expresses your feelings about peace in Ireland? But if your best offering in a lovely thread is vitriolic pap, I am afraid you will become irrelevant, and ignored. Don't let that happen my friend. All the best, Big Mick |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Sullsinger Date: 15 Mar 00 - 03:46 AM I have written two original Irish folk songs which can be heard on my website. These songs, especially th title track of my newly released CD "RAISE YOUR GLASS" have fast become hits in Chicago. It is a thrill! If anyone is interested in hearing these songs, or learning more about my music, and the CD, please respond to this post, and I will send you the link. Click for Sullsinger's Site |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Maire Date: 14 Mar 00 - 09:59 PM I came a little late to this thread, but I'd like to nominate a song by Dominic Behan called Brave New World. If anybody knows the time period it was written, I'd like to know. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Kara Date: 14 Mar 00 - 06:11 PM here is another one , this Cranberries Song always gives me goose bumps Zombie
Another head hangs lowly,
But you see, it's not me, it's not my family.
In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Another mother's breakin',
With their tanks and their bombs,
In your head, in your head, they are dying...
In your head, in your head, |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 14 Mar 00 - 04:00 PM Rhianon, a brilliant piece of imagery. And McGrath... what can I say besides - another song up to your high standard. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:26 AM The Takamine is the real story behind the "six kids down with the flue" presentation we were being offered. Áine's busted !! :>) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:19 AM Kevin -- May I please have permission to put your song in the Mudcat Songbook? And is the title Listen To Your Heart? I tried to find it on your webpage, but I couldn't. Kara -- No, it wasn't my Washburn I was fixing. It was my Takamine. I had to reglue a bridge and sand down the frets. It's sounding better, but I'm still not satisfied with the frets. Looks like I'll have to get them replaced some time down the road. My Washburn Montgomery J-6 is brandnew and I'm in love with her. It's a good thing my dear hubby is so understanding -- the laundry and the dishes are piling up while I steal extra minutes from my "domestic engineer" job to play her. -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Kara Date: 14 Mar 00 - 05:27 AM Hey Àine My washburn is broken too. Did you get yours fixed. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Eric the Viking Date: 13 Mar 00 - 05:34 PM The "Saw Doctors" made a good song- Letter from Louise. Worth listening to. Cheers. Eric |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 04:40 PM Sure, McGrath, its a beauty. Into the Tome with it! Call the Book Mistress! |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Mar 00 - 04:36 PM Here's another song I wrote where, any time I sing it, I think about the Peace Process in Ireland. But it might be about turning from violence anywhere.
Listen to your heart,
Listen to your heart,
Oh once I wore my heart on my shoulder.
Listen to your heart, The whispering heart has a double meaning of course. All kinds of reasons for turning from violence.
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Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Rhianon Date: 13 Mar 00 - 04:13 PM This Irish land sits in green spendor haunting tunes of the ages echo in rhyme. Grey figures spin and twirl in the sky. Shadows of bonfires dance in the night. This Irish land cries in the night This Irish land won't give up the fight. She lives for her people She lives for her pride This Irish land cries in the night. Her stones cry out for the chants of the elders carrying their song into the clouds. The home of the ancients..... The altar is bare. This Irish land cries in the night This Irish land won't give up the fight She lives for her people She lives for her pride This Irish land cries in the night. Rene Zabel - BMI (line breaks added by a Joe clone. (you need to put < br > at the end of each line (without the spaces)) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 03:21 PM By the way Áine -- isn't there an overdue file somewhere on your hard drive? Or was it that beautiful Washburn you were fixing up all weekend? |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 03:20 PM whoof! Powerful stuff, Kara! A |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Kara Date: 13 Mar 00 - 02:54 PM The Island (Paul Brady) They say the skies of Lebanon are burning Those mighty cedars bleeding in the heat They're showing pictures on the television Women and children dying in the street And we're still at it in our own place Still trying to reach the future through the past Still trying to carve tomorrow from a tombstone... Chorus But Hey! Don't listen to me! This wasn't meant to be no sad song We've heard too much of that before Right now I only want to be here with you Till the morning dew comes falling I want to take you to the island And trace your footprints in the sand And in the evening when the sun goes down We'll make love to the sound of the ocean They're raising banners over by the markets Whitewashing slogans on the shipyard walls Witchdoctors praying for a mighty showdown No way our holy flag is gonna fall Up here we sacrifice our children To feed the worn-out dreams of yesterday And teach them dying will lead us into glory...
Repeat chorus Copyright Rondor Music (London) (line breaks added by a Joe clone. you need to put < br > at the end of your lines, (without the spaces)) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Kara Date: 11 Mar 00 - 07:17 AM Come on you people we need more songs than this to make a CD, where is yours Trevor??? |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Kara Date: 09 Mar 00 - 05:03 PM Thank you Joe Clone for the line breaks and Shambles for the tips. I love you song amos, great use of a brilliant tune. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 09 Mar 00 - 03:58 PM Dear Amos, Beautiful! What a wonderful song. I've sent you a PM about it. -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Mar 00 - 03:22 PM Amos.... Amos..... Amos. |
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