Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 09 Mar 00 - 03:11 PM Amos, another terrific effort! Man,wouldn't these songs make a GREAT CD! |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 09 Mar 00 - 02:04 PM Cara, that was beautiful! Thank you! Here is rough draft which has borrowed the tune of an Irish fighting melody and I hope used it for a better purpose, if rougher words. Suggestions welcome. A Children of Erin(Melody: The Foggy Dew)I am but a child, of Erin born, In shaded glens, and the streets of men Could a girl, still young Where fighting men died in mountain glens When I my love meet (c) 2000 A. H. Jessup |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 09 Mar 00 - 01:52 AM Wow! Thanks for this thread LEJ, looks like you have started something really good here. Can't wait for the next one. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Mar 00 - 08:49 PM Wonderful, Kara. Your song gets right to the heart of the matter- it takes as much, or more, courage to change than it does to follow the old ways of hate. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Osmium Date: 08 Mar 00 - 06:55 PM For what its worth may I add my commendation to that of Aine's for kara's song. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Kara Date: 08 Mar 00 - 06:26 PM Yes I wrotethe song and I would love you to put ot on the Mudcats song book. Kara |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Kara Date: 08 Mar 00 - 06:13 PM Yes I wrotethe song and I would love you to put ot on the Mudcats song book. Kara |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 08 Mar 00 - 05:22 PM Dear Kara, Did you write that song? The words are riveting. If the song is yours, would you please give me permission to put it in the Mudcat Songbook? And be on the lookout for an email from me, because I definitely want to hear and learn this song! -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Kara geekara@wanadoo.fr Date: 08 Mar 00 - 05:14 PM here is my contribution to peace songs. if you want to know the tune email me and I'll send you a tape
Bring the peace home
He was born on the Orange side,
break down the barbed wire
they met up in London
we will break down the barbed wire
When they brought home their daughter
we will break down the barbed wire (line breaks added by a Joe clone) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Mar 00 - 04:11 PM skarpi - I suggest you try the Irish Times special about the peace process
It gives a pretty full acoount of the background and the course of events - and the links section will give you access to any number of competing points of view.
This may be more than you want of course. I think you are right to suggest people write via email - public discussions here tend to get out of hand at times, which is affair enough, but might get in the way for your present purposes.
What you might do is post any specific questions here on the Mudcat, asking people to reply by email (or personal message - even if you did sign in as a guest this time). |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Mar 00 - 02:21 PM Skarpi, I know something about human nature, but very little in particular about the Northern Ireland situation. There are many here, however, who either live there or have emigrated from there to other lands. Alison, Brendy, InOBU, aand McGrath know far more about it than I do. Brendy, what a song you have written. The images are powerful. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GeorgeH Date: 08 Mar 00 - 09:04 AM Well despite my (oft-broken) resolutions to avoid dipping into Ireland threads . . . As one who's frequently criticised out-and-out Republicanism in this forum, I have to say I find Trevor's contributions here deeply depressing. IF you want to take issue with people and their views, Trevor, then please do. If you want to argue contrary views then even better. Either way, people will respect you for your contribution (whether or not they agree with you) and - by contributing to and extending the discussion - you improve the prospects of people reaching a better understanding of these issues. But you seem to prefer to criticise without offering anything constructive, and to come from a position every bit as extreme and one-sided as the most rabid Republican. The Armalite and Semtex aren't the only instruments of opression casting their shadow over Ireland; to them you must add many of the Churches (both Catholic and Protestant), Local Government, many politicians and their parties, the RUC, the British Army, the sledge hammer . . And while many of those instruments are common to both the Republican and Unionist "extremes" of the situation, there's too large a group which "belong" to the Unionist side. [Note, for instance, the political outcry over the reform proposals for the RUC - which did no more than bring it more into line with police forces in the rest of the UK. (Of course, the British Government declined to make that point, or any other strong indication that the reforms were over-long overdue.) Of course, one has to keep in mind that the Unionists aren't interested in "union" with the rest of Britain of today, their "union" is with a mythical England of the days of William of Orange.] G.
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Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,skarpi Iceland. Date: 08 Mar 00 - 07:42 AM Lonesome Ej, you seem to know lot about the trouple in Ireland, Can you send to me by e-mail why all this is happening in N-Ireland. I need some stuff for my radio show, I would like tell the people of Iceland why this is happening. My e- mail is in bbc´s e-mail addresses. All the best skarpi Iceland. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Mar 00 - 09:20 PM I'd like to hear that Brendy!
"Troubles" a euphemism? Not where I stand, rpm. "Troubles" is a word that takes in all the sorrows of the world, and knows there are always more to come. And America has enough of its own, from what I can see. And has caused enough as well. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Brendy Date: 07 Mar 00 - 09:03 PM He was never much for small-talk, and it'll mark him to the end. And his life turned like the seasons of the year. But his roads led back to farther fields to a place called long ago where his days were spent in loneliness and fear. At a sacrificial altar, in a half-remembered time, in the land where the righteous fathers ruled the waves. He offered to the holy souls all the ridicule and shame and he prayed for such forgiveness and be spared the eternal flames. So, he lived inside his fantasy; Only love, only love. So he packed his bags and walked away It's a crazy kind of lovesong Only love, only love Copyright © 1999 Orchard County Music. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: InOBU Date: 05 Mar 00 - 11:24 PM Dear rpm In stead of the troubles, how about colateral damage from the cold war? All the best Larry |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,rpm Date: 05 Mar 00 - 08:39 PM I'm new to this so keep an open mind. Funny that R. Frost should pop up - he read at JFK's inauguration. Twisting through the thread I was struck by something that Bobby Kennedy said in a speech (to paraphrase) - when one travels over the land and waters that make up this world one is touched not by that which divides us, but by that which could (should?) unite us. The vast plains of our continents, and even the oceans and rivers that become our boundaries, could be the basis of our unification, our growth, our children's future. As much as I love much of T. Makem's work his crowning glory would be a new verse for "Four Green Fields" that could celebrate a lasting peace for a long troubled land. I hope he lives to write it. Maybe its the american in me but I can't stand the euphemism "the troubles". Stupidity, bigotry, anything but "troubles". |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Mar 00 - 07:36 PM Trevor, what is being said here is that no side that is entirely wrong, and none that is entirely right. God knows you have more information on the situation than I do. Maybe you have lost friends or family in the long battle, and find it difficult to forgive. I hope you didn't take the reference to carrying an Armalite in my song as a glorification of it. What I meant to show was that some who have been guilty of using violence to achieve a goal can change. In fact, if we are to overcome the ancient hatreds indeed we all must change. Not just in Northern Ireland, but in Bosnia, and Timor, here in the United States and everywhere.
Some say the World will end in Fire, some say in Ice -R Frost |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: InOBU Date: 05 Mar 00 - 10:38 AM Trevor, Trevor, Trevor: Please stop assuming we are living in hopes of you jumping up and leaving the table! There is far to much good beer to drink and conversation to be had. As a congential liver problem makes my contribution to the beer swilling problematic, stay in your seat Trevor a vic, and keep talking! You are a valued voice in the conversation! If you dont wish to write and sing a few lines, we always look forward to your comentary. As you know, James Connolly always encouraged folks to read the essays that most strongly made the point against his own point, keeps us on our toes and the grey matter active. So, give us your hand, and raise a pint or two and a point or two - we will spent a punt or two, with a pal or two - and thats including you, not in spite of you As ever, old friend Larry |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Trevor Date: 05 Mar 00 - 10:17 AM Lonesome, who's blaming whom for the Past? I refer to the present and the future both of which are still under the shadow of the Armalite and Semtex. And Alison, words coming from someone's heart hold no currency per se. You could say that Margaret Thatcher's praise of Prsident Pinochet come from the heart, but many paople would loke to deny her the freedom to say them. As they would like to deny me the right not to accept the propoganda of the running dogs of Republicanism. Shambles, I lay no claim to be a purveyor of verse, there are already too many ready to take that particular leap in the dark. Trevor |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: alison Date: 05 Mar 00 - 06:31 AM Aine... feel free to put my chorus into the Mudcat songbook.......I said before I'm no songwriter (but thanks everyone for the encouragement)and you could be a long time waiting for verses. and as LEJ said it was a separate song from his one. By the way Trevor, it came from the heart, from a girl who spent most of her life in Belfast....... I've read your posts in other threads as I'm sure you have read mine...... so far this one is different ..... people are writing of hope for the future.... slainte alison
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Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 05 Mar 00 - 02:08 AM It is also about writing a song. I would like to see your thoughts in song too. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Mar 00 - 12:53 AM Trevor, I'm glad you didn't go away. This thread isn't about blaming anyone for the past, it's about hope for the future. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,Trevor Date: 04 Mar 00 - 10:43 PM Here we go again!! All green beer and crocodile tears for the poor oppressed Irish ! Oppressed by their own so-called heroes more than by anyone else. Of course, I should know better than to try to tell it as it was and still is in parts of Northern Ireland. There are none so blind as those who will not see ! I still haven't gone away, you know ! Trevor |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 04 Mar 00 - 10:04 PM Go raibh míle maith agat, a chara chóir. Thank you, dear friend. -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Mar 00 - 06:45 PM That is a great song, Roger. Thanks for bringing it to us. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 04 Mar 00 - 06:39 PM This is a little similar to 'A Song For Ireland', in that it too is written by an Englishman Ireland To Me.
I dream of a country, far over the sea
I've worked with you daily, gone with you to school
I've seen all the passions, that in those eyes burn
I dream of a country, far over the sea
I hear songs of your heroes, wars lost and won
Their tragedies mean nothing, lost daughters and sons
I dream of a country, far over the sea
Roger Gall 2000 With special thanks to Lonesome Ernie Johnson, Kevin McGrath and the Keeper of the Book |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: rainbow Date: 04 Mar 00 - 05:00 PM dreaming in the night i saw a land where no one had to fight waking in your dawn i saw you crying in the morning light part of the last verse of "song for ireland" ... lorraine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: rainbow Date: 04 Mar 00 - 05:00 PM dreaming in the night i saw a land where no one had to fight waking in your dawn i saw you crying in the morning light part of the last verse of "song for ireland" ... lorraine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Mar 00 - 02:57 PM I 've posted this before, but it fits in here, so I'll post it again:
White Snow of the Springtime
Now it's time to remember the lessons we learn
No greater love could a man ever show April 1996 This is a song that started with a physical image, of a cherry tree in my garden, and which has taken on a load of meanings for me - mostly to do with events in Ireland, and with Easter. It's weird sometimes how reality follows images. I wrote the song back in 1996, and my "white snow" was fallen cherry blossom - but as they came out from negotiating the deal on Good Friday, the pictures on the TV showed them standing in falling snow, real snow. (Which is very rare in Ireland at Easter) And here's a link to it on my website, with chords - (and when I can get it together, It'll have the tune as well). White Snow |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Mar 00 - 12:11 PM Jed, great song. InOBU, I look forward to yours! |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: InOBU Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:23 PM Well LEJ Fine idea, I am tempted to do something about the burning of Castle Otway during the Anglo Irish war and rebuilding it in partnership the new peace. I will have to find a few quiet hours. As always, wishing all the best InOBU (Larry Otway) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Mar 00 - 03:56 PM Hey Amos. You've got until St Patrick's Day, so you've got time to produce a true masterpiece. :) LEJ |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Mbo Date: 03 Mar 00 - 03:47 PM I don't know if I could ever top De Dannan's "Anthem For Ireland"...that song always give me goosebumps. Besides, I gotta save my energy for Barley's Song Challenge! tomorrow morning! Woo woo! --Mbo |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 00 - 03:30 PM LEJ et al I dunno if I can come up with something as powerful as what I have seen here. Alison, that was beautiful. The Provo's song is grandiloquent and beautiful, and the Bumbling NEglishman is wonderful and funny...so I dunno...ALison, do what Áine says and make a song for that chorus...there'll be a tune for it. I may come up with something....geez you guys are good, though :>). Sorcha, thanks for the kind thought...I am but an amachoor... |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 03 Mar 00 - 03:07 PM Dear LEJ, There ya go, it's in the Book now. Thank you! Dear alison, Come on, girl, let's see ya write some verses for that wonderful chorus, OK? Take the weekend and work on it! We know you can do it! -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Mar 00 - 02:38 PM Aine, Alison's song was intended(I think) as a separate piece. With a little coaxing, I'm sure we can get her to enlarge on it. You may certainly put The Provo's Song in the songbook. PM me if you have any questions. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Mar 00 - 01:28 PM Very nice thread.....Leej, that's a wonderful piece of work. ("Christmas in the Trenches" almost fits) All well done gang and a bit of pleasure to read. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Áine Date: 03 Mar 00 - 01:20 PM LEJ and alison, May I have your joint permission to put The Provo's Song in the Mudcat Songbook? This is one song that should be preserved for posterity, definitely! -- Áine |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GeorgeH Date: 03 Mar 00 - 12:55 PM In addition to Bobby Sands (certainly the "first" of the voices for "peace and reconcilliation" in Ireland, 'Catters should look out for what Ron Kavanah and Tommas Lynch have (jointly and severally) done on this subject. I'll try to remember to enter Kavanah's "Cry, Cry, Cry" on Monday if no-one beats me to it. G. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Mar 00 - 12:51 PM Wolfgang, I don't have a tune for the song. Feel free to supply one, if you'd like. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: The Shambles Date: 03 Mar 00 - 10:34 AM Not a new one LEJ but I will post this again until I come up with a new one. I hope that as many folk as possible would like to fell that they could sing this one, loudly and in as many places as possible. It is difficult to be too optimistic at the moment but there is still hope.
To be sung to the tune of A Rambling Irishman. I have just used the tune to make a point. A naive point maybe but I had this dream, where the whole of Ireland, North and South, joined in one huge session and danced together . . . But what do I know, I'm just a bumbling Englishman? One of many who love the music though.
A Bumbling Englishman
There was a bumbling Englishman,
He went and sold his guitar,
Eileen could do no wrong in his eyes,
He went and sold his guitar,
When he started scraping away,
He went and sold his guitar,
Andy said if he carried on,
He went and sold his guitar,
When he came to a barricade,
He went and sold his guitar,
An old man came from the other side,
He went and sold his guitar,
So many people played that day,
He went and sold his guitar,
The moral of this tale is clear,
He went and sold his guitar,
Roger Gall 1999 PEACE. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: JedMarum Date: 03 Mar 00 - 09:22 AM This is the tale my great grandfather, Martin Little told my father when he was a boy. Martin had begun a new life in America, away from the unrest and hard times - but he loved his native Ireland and had a great concern for its people. The first two verses tell Martin's emmigration story, the last two focus on his concern and his prayer for peace. This is Martin's story; Look Ahead Tommy The land was rich in beauty, magic and song But it was hard to raise a family, working someone else's land So we kissed our Mom and sisters, our Dad he gave use fare With me brothers Sean and Michael, I left them standin' there So long ago We worked a time in England, and we sent a bit back home But Michael took to drinkin' and in two years he was gone I moved on to Boston when Sean joined the Fusiliers And I haven't seen the others for five and thirty years to the day
Chorus:
In Galway and Kilkenny, where our friends and cousins many Go to Chorus |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 00 - 08:06 AM I recently discovered a great Stan Rogers song called "The House of Orange" that is appropos of this thread. I'll enter it later today if it's not already in the DT.. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: GUEST,eoin o buadhaigh Date: 03 Mar 00 - 07:18 AM PEACE IN ERIN ballad written and published by Hugh McWilliams from Co. Down in N.I. in 1831
last verse... ( all of Ireland! ) (line breaks added by a Joe Clone) |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Mar 00 - 05:18 AM great start for a thread, great verses with such a true feeling; LEJ, do you have a tune for that song? Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: katlaughing Date: 03 Mar 00 - 02:52 AM Wow! Thank you for starting this LeeJ and to you, Alison, for those words. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Mar 00 - 02:10 AM Absolutely beautiful, Alison. |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: alison Date: 03 Mar 00 - 02:04 AM I'm no songwriter but here's a chorus...... to the tune of "send the boats away"
Put away your rifles boys, Put away your guns slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Peace in Ireland: A Song Challenge From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Mar 00 - 01:04 AM The Provo's Song
My Father used to tell me, when I was but a lad
Tim and I and Michael turned to flinging bricks and rocks
On my chest I wore a Crucifix, in my coat an Armalite.
I swore vengeance for their sakes, and for the sake of Bobby Sands
And then one night my own dear Wife, she took me by the hand
I lay long awake that night, then fell into a dream:
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