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Subject: Age= importance of opinion. From: GUEST,Botticelli's Niece Date: 06 Mar 00 - 09:13 PM If a person was not old enough to experience an event (or the early part of a persons career) they can not have a valid "opinion" of it. True or False |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: The Shambles Date: 07 Mar 00 - 01:57 AM They will have an opinion, whether it is valid or not is a matter of opinion. That was a serious answer. Maybe you could supply more details? |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Sourdough Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:20 AM If the answer were truly "True", there would be no reason to study, and to learn, from history. More than that, literature would have little meaning and I guess, by extension, much of the arts. Sourdough |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: The Shambles Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:54 AM Youth Is Wasted On The Young |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: The Shambles Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:58 AM No idea what has happen here but there is more AGE etc |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Biskit Date: 07 Mar 00 - 11:07 AM Allrigtythen, say your at a concert,third row from the stage,all is right with your concert but 100 yards behind you and off to the right, someone else has an entirely different perspective, say the speaker facing them has a crack,....while the seven different reporters from seven different newspapers from three different towns,and with seven different tastes in music are going to have seven(at least) different opinions.....Timeline......Ten years later, a highschool kid is doing a social studies report on the same concert, he/she goes to the archive section of the library and reads seven different papers with seven different opinions, they take this information, and also interview three of their parents friends two of which were actually there and one who wanted to go ,but onlyt heard about the concert from friends who do you think is going to have the most objective view of the acual concert the guy three rows back or the kid with the social studies report? -Biskit- |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Whistle Stop Date: 07 Mar 00 - 01:50 PM Sounds like the story of the blind men and the elephant -- every one described it differently, depending on which part of the elephant they came in contact with. In the other thread with the same name as this one (what happened here?), there was a lot of dismissive talk about "opinions," which implied that they are inherently less valid than "facts". I don't see it that way. Many of the "facts" that we are discussing may just be opinions that were expressed with conviction, and/or that were supported by significant numbers of other people who shared those opinions. In my experience, "facts" are often just expressions of partial truths, where the whole truth is whittled down to some non-controversial or verifiable aspect that will survive challenges, but doesn't tell the whole story. The concert-goers cited above, like the blind men with the elephant, were relating "facts" that were true (the sound was muddy vs. the sound was clear), but didn't tell the whole story, because they didn't accept the fact that there may be many truths that apply to a given situation. One of the other contributors to this discussion cited the example of "the 1960s," and how difficult it is for a young person to get the real story. But consider the question: the 1960s were ten long, tumultuous years in the lives of literally billions of people. How far would we have to go in simplifying and reducing the 1960s before we could come up with a condensed version of "the real story" that all of us who were there would agree with? My suggestion would be to stop putting artificial limits on the validity of others' opinions, and stop being so dismissive of opinions in general. Facts and opinions are the same thing -- it is often only our perceptions that distinguish them. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Froodo Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:22 PM False, false, false. Sourdough said it all. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Llanfair Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:46 PM Collecting as wide a range of information, opinions, press releases and heresay as possible, allows the collator to develop a good picture of the event. It's when there is only one or two reports that things get distorted, more room for the dreaded "interpretation" Bron. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Crowhugger Date: 07 Mar 00 - 03:20 PM False. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 00 - 03:27 PM "Well, that's your opinion...". One of the reasons this whole thread-topic gets so murky is that there are (as well as facts and opinions) a whole range of considerations people can have in between, such as second-hand facts, opinions communicated as though they were facts, altered facts, and all the inaccuracies and overlays and alterations the human mind is heir to. Then there are things which may exist in fact but, being a bit out of the scope of hard material events, are hard to identify and agree on -- facts which can't be readily measured and thus not agreed on. There's a whole range of experiential facts (i.e., things that really did happen) which get thrashed as opinions because they aren't as common as physical universe things. A person of any age could well have a better grasp of these, just through personal insight, than any old fart no matter how scholarly. And sometimes the reverse is true. This is not something open to sweeping generalizations. "In my opinion." |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Crowhugger Date: 07 Mar 00 - 03:51 PM Who else here remembers being a teenager? I clearly recall having a pretty strong opinion about nearly everything. Some were well-argued and supported, some less so, and others just a gut reaction to a small amount of information. However, they were all opinions and they were all mine. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, oui? |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 00 - 03:59 PM Surement, ma chere Crowhugger! A |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Mar 00 - 04:16 PM I would swear I had put this post in earlier this afeternoon, but it's not there, so here it is again:
Some great genius (not me, some OTHER great genius) defined it best, IMNSHO: |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: catspaw49 Date: 07 Mar 00 - 04:38 PM Well Dave, its my opinion that you already posted that once today. I could be wrong, but in an effort to make myself feel better, I'll just say that in this instance, I'm absolutely correct! This is OFTEN the case. Spaw (there's another thread, same title, Dave) |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 00 - 05:15 PM Youth and age are mutually exclusive. There's neither mutually exclusive or mutually inclusive among experience, education, intelligence, and wisdom. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:51 PM An opinion is the same as a point of view. If you don't have a point of view you can't be looking at the thing in question. Objects looked at from different points of view look different. It doesn't mean there isn't a single object there all along.
Find out more about other people's points of view, and accept them for what they are, and you start to get a clearer idea of what the object is in itself.
The blind men studying the elephant ("it's a snake", "its a pillar" etc) weren't wrong in reporting what they found.They were wrong in thinking that the different reports contradicted each other. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:53 PM And in terms of songs what that means is that there isn't a single correct version of a song, and a bunch of lesser variats. The song is made up of all the variants, which enrich each other. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:58 PM The notion that youth and age are mutually exclusive is horsepucky in my considerd and genteel opinion. Myaplogies, but I know as well as anyone can that my youth is undampened in spite of my advancing years, if slightly better informed. And my daughter, who claims to have chronological youth, sometimes discovers that she has all the experience she needs! Yet often is older than I am in some respects. Time itself appears unidirectional but that may be an illusion, especially in areas where matter doesn't much matter, and energy is a byproduct of attitude... |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Froodo Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:12 PM Amos, Right on with the "Horsepucky." Made soda come out me nose. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:27 PM It's easy to say you think young while sitting at a computer (and I'm only 69), but my hockey game isn't what it used to be. How's yours Amos?
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Amos Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:40 PM Geez, I haven't played hockey since I was a brat, last week...no seriously, in decades. But I don't need to play hockey in order to have an opinion. I thought we were talking about the relative strength or virtue of younger and older people's opinions, not the ability to hammer rubber with wood on ice. I can higher the young and uninformed to do that for me if need be. But I still defend the brilliance of the young and informed and the validity of their perspective. Way I see it, stupidity is just as hard and just as irritating in the old as the young. And stupidity of one kind or another is what makes opinions unacceptable to others. |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: Mbo Date: 07 Mar 00 - 09:32 PM Ahh...I remember being a teenager...it was only 15 months ago... --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Age= importance of opinion. From: John in Brisbane Date: 08 Mar 00 - 12:44 AM There's nothing quite like reading the the printed reviews of a respected critic in a major daily newspaper, particularly when the review gives major kudos to the performers and the whole shooting match. As one of those performers I felt that I had reason to be proud (read ego inflated) after reading one of these reviews before Christmas. Any student reading this article in years to come would believe that the concert was a 'tour de force' - as indeed it was. The only snag is that the reviewer only attended the first half, and indeed she had filed her report by the end of interval before leaving to go to a Christmas party (or something). Regards, John |
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