Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293

DigiTrad:
JOCK O' HAZELDEAN


Alan of Australia 14 Jun 97 - 12:09 AM
Alan of Australia 14 Jun 97 - 12:10 AM
dick greenhaus 14 Jun 97 - 07:01 PM
Alan of Oz 14 Jun 97 - 11:58 PM
Don Firth 03 Feb 11 - 08:44 PM
breezy 04 Feb 11 - 06:52 AM
Georgiansilver 13 Jun 12 - 04:16 AM
GUEST,Charles Macfarlane 13 Jun 12 - 04:27 AM
Joe Offer 29 Apr 16 - 09:04 PM
Bill D 29 Apr 16 - 10:14 PM
Bill D 29 Apr 16 - 10:17 PM
Tradsinger 30 Apr 16 - 03:23 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 30 Apr 16 - 06:53 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: John of Hazelgreen
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 12:09 AM

JOHN OF HAZELGREEN, SUMMARY

In John of Hazelgreen a middle aged man comes across a maid crying by a creek and says, "What's up, Love?"

She says, "I dreamt about a young man called John Of Hazelgreen and he's tall, dark and handsome and I've got to marry him, but I don't know where he lives." (Why do dreams always leave something out?)

He says, "Forget him. You can marry my eldest son."

She says, "No! It must be John Of Hazelgreen."

He says, "If you'll forget him and marry my eldest son I'll give you gold combs for your hair." This doesn't sound very useful to me, so I'm not surprised she knocked that one back.

When he sees that she is faithful and constant and true he says, "Hop up on my horse, Honey, and we'll go and look for this John Of Hazelgreen - he sounds like a likely lad." Trusting soul that she is, she does, and off they go.

He pretends to go looking for this John Of Hazelgreen, but actually just takes her off home to his place. At this point I've got to tell you it doesn't turn out the way you think.

When he reaches his front gate his eldest son, John Of Hazelgreen, (he knew this all the time of course) is waiting for him and says, "G'day Dad, I've just had a dream about a beautiful damsel. I've got to find her and marry her. We'll find her crying by a creek."

The old man says, "I've saved you the trouble, Son, is this the one?"

They fall into each other's arms, the violins play and the credits roll up the screen. And it takes 34 verses.

When Sir Walter Scott heard this song it was over one hundred years old. He re-wrote it as Jock O' Hazeldean, telling a different story in four verses. I've gone back to the original (well one of the versions published by Child) and also produced a condensed version.

Continued...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN OF HAZELGREEN
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 12:10 AM

^^JOHN OF HAZELGREEN

Child No. 293

:d>|s:-.m:r:-.d|d:m:s<:-.d|d:-.d:f:-.m|m:-:r
'Why weep ye by the tide, lady? Why weep ye by the tide?'
:d>|s:-.m:r:-.d|d.m:-:s<:-.s<|d.m:-:r:-.d|d:-:-:-
'I'm weeping for a comely youth that in my dreams I spied.
.m|f:-.m:f:-.s|l:s:d>:-.l|s:-.m:([triplet]r:m:s)|l:-:-
He is a tall and proper youth, so comely to be seen.'
:d>|s:-.m:r:-.d|d:m:s<:-.l<|d.m:-:r:-.d|d:-:-:||
And aye she loot the tears down fall for John o Hazelgreen.

'If ye'll forsake young Hazelgreen and go along with me
I'll wed you to my eldest son, make you a lady free.'
'It's for to wed your eldest son I am a maid o'er mean
I'd rather stay at home,' she says, 'and die for Hazelgreen.'

'Now hold your tongue my well-faired maid and let your mourning be
And all endeavours I shall make to bring that youth to thee.'
Then nimbly riding on their way they gently spurred their horse
Till they rode on to Hazelgreen, to Hazelgreen's own close.

Then forth he came, young Hazelgreen to welcome his father free
But when he looked upon the maid a light laugh then gave he
'This is the comely maid,' he said, 'I once saw in a dream
A walking through a pleasant glade as fair's a cypress queen.'

He's taken her into his arms led her through bower and hall
'Cheer up your heart my dearest dear, you're flower above them all.
This night shall be our wedding e'en, the morn we'll say Amen
Ye'll never more have cause to mourn, ye're Lady o Hazelgreen.'

This tune is from "The Singing Tradition of Child's Popular Ballads" Edited by Bertrand Harris Bronson.

Cheers,
Alan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: John of Hazelgreen
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 07:01 PM

It's in the database (Jock O' Hazeldean). Only the name has been changed to confuse searchers. HAZEL* will locate it for you.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: John of Hazelgreen
From: Alan of Oz
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 11:58 PM

Jock O' Hazeldean is Scott's rewrite with a different storyline.

Cheers,
Alan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 08:44 PM

Thanks for that, Alan! Well done!

I might just take that on board, if it's okay with you.

Don Firth


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen
From: breezy
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 06:52 AM

tonic solfa too, wow !


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Jun 12 - 04:16 AM

My take on the rewrite!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John of Hazelgreen
From: GUEST,Charles Macfarlane
Date: 13 Jun 12 - 04:27 AM

Best version ever of this song, Sir Walter Scott version, was by "The Corries on "Strings And Things" - utterly beautiful, one of the best tracks they ever recorded.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 09:04 PM

Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song:

John of Hazelgreen [Child 293]

DESCRIPTION: A lady is weeping for John of Hazelgreen, whom she is not permitted to marry. She is offered marriage to another; this is little to her liking. By some means or other she meets Hazelgreen, and they are married
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1827 (Kinloch)
KEYWORDS: elopement love marriage separation
FOUND IN: Britain(England,Scotland(Aber,Bord)) US(MW,NE,SE,So) Canada(Mar,Newf)
REFERENCES (22 citations):
Child 293, "John of Hazelgreen" (5 texts)
Bronson 293, "John of Hazelgreen" (29 versions)
Whitelaw-Song, p. 22, "Jock o' Hazeldean" (1 text)
GreigDuncan5 1029, "Jock o' Hazel Green" (3 fragments, two of them on p. 624)
Lyle-Crawfurd2 117, "Johnie of Hazelgreen" (1 text)
SharpAp 43, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #5a}
BarryEckstormSmyth pp. 369-371, "Willie of Hazel Green" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #27}
Flanders/Olney, pp. 237-238, "Young Johnny of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #25}
Flanders-Ancient4, pp. 281-284, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #25}
Davis-Ballads 49, "John of Hazelgreen" (7 texts plus 2 fragments; the J text appears to have print influence; 3 tunes entitled "John o' the Hazelgreen," "John of Hazelgreen"; 1 more version mentioned in Appendix A) {Bronson's #3, #26, #2}
Davis-More 45, pp. 350-355, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune)
BrownSchinhanIV 333, "Jock O' Hazeldean" (1 fragment, 1 tune)
Morris, #176, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 fragment, which is properly "Jock o' Hazeldeen")
Moore-Southwest 58A, "Jock o' Hazeldean"; 58B, "John of Hazelgreen" (2 texts, 2 tunes)
Scarborough-SongCatcher, pp. 225-227, "John of Hazelgreen" (2 short texts, with local titles "John over the Hazel Green"; 2 tunes on pp. 415-416) {Bronson's #8, #7}
Peacock, pp. 537-538, "Johnny from Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune)
Leach, pp. 674-678, "John of Hazelgreen" (3 texts)
Friedman, p. 143, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text)
McNeil-SFB1, pp. 91-92, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune)
Niles 63, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune)
Abrahams/Foss, pp. 95-96, "John of Hazelgreen" (1 text, 1 tune) {Bronson's #9}
DT 293, JOCKHZLD* JOCKHZL2*

Roud #250
BROADSIDES:
Firth b.26(534), "Hazle Green" ("As I walked one evening all for to take the air"), Webb and Millington (Leeds), n.d.
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Nancy Dawson" (plot)
cf. "Lady Jean" (plot)
cf. "Parody on Jock o' Hazeldean" (parody)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Jock o Hazeldean
John over the Hazel Green
Jock o Hazledean
NOTES: Rewritten by Sir Walter Scott as "Jock o Hazeldean" -- a poem which has become perhaps more popular than the original ballad, and which is included in many poetic works (e.g. it is item CCXXVII in Palgrave's Golden Treasury).
Scholars since Child have debated the extent to which the Scott text (said to take only a single stanza from the traditional song) is influenced or has influenced tradition. One thing appears certain: The Scott text and some of the traditional versions are related (e.g. Davis's "J" is about 85% identical to the corresponding stanzas of Scott's text). Either the Scott text used more than the single stanza claimed, or his text has influenced tradition. - RBW
Broadside Bodleian Firth b.26(534) is a shortened version of the story.
There are broadsides of Scott's text. For example, Bodleian, Johnson Ballads fol. 30, "Jock o' Hazel Dean" ("Why weep ye by the tide lady?"), J. Catnach (London), 1813-1838; also Harding B 26(290), 2806 c.14(45), "Jock o' Hazel Dean"n. - BS
Last updated in version 3.7
File: C293

Go to the Ballad Search form
Go to the Ballad Index Song List

Go to the Ballad Index Instructions
Go to the Ballad Index Bibliography or Discography

The Ballad Index Copyright 2015 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 10:14 PM

I must disagree with the last post in 2012. I have 'about' 70 versions, and while the Corries are very nice, I have about a dozen choices that I cant choose between.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 10:17 PM

(My mind goes back over 30 years, when Jean Redpath began the 2nd half of a concert by just walking back onstage and **hitting** that opening line and totally silencing all the muttering & chatting in the audience.)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293
From: Tradsinger
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 03:23 AM

Interesting Gloucestershire gypsy version here http://glostrad.com/johnny-from-hazelgreenhazeldean/
Tradsinger


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Req:John of Hazelgreen/Jock O' Hazeldean Child 293
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 06:53 AM

For another collected version, this time from the late,and wonderful, Packie Manus Byrne of Donegal, see Musical Traditions CD "The Birds Upon the Tree" - MTCD 333. Packie called it "Johnny o'Hazelgreen" and had learnt it from his aunt, "Big" Bridget Sweeney of Meenagolin, who, in turn, may have picked it up from Packie's "grand-uncle" who had learnt it whilst working in Scotland.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 20 April 4:55 PM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.