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Subject: Insulted on national radio! From: Hyperabid Date: 16 Mar 00 - 04:55 AM This morning getting ready for work I was listening to Scott Mills at BBC Radio 1 - The UKs leading national station. It appears that Scott is of the opinion that people who use internet chat rooms and bulletin boards are "sad freaks". This morning he was bragging because someone had set up a website with a link to EMail him and he had only received 2 Emails. Well as far as I can work out there a 100s if not 1000s of people who are in the business of making music who use this website from amateur to professional. Personally I'm not sure EMailing this guy will do anything other than add to his personal publicity - Something he would appear not to deserve as he has fallen into the trap of stereotyping people. None-the-less for those who are interest and have the correct client set up on their PC I append the appropriate link which also identifies his EMail address at the BBC for those who cannot EMail automatically. Click here to Email scott.mills@bbc.co.uk
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Brian Hoskin Date: 16 Mar 00 - 05:50 AM Scott Mills is so bad he probably gets plenty of abusive email already. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Hyperabid Date: 16 Mar 00 - 05:52 AM Good point. Although I wasn't encouraging anyone to be abusive... Hyp |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: sophocleese Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:21 AM No I don't think anyone should be abusive. He's clearly not liked since he only got two e-mails. I think he needs sympathy instead. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:24 AM Did he mention Mudcat specifically? |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Áine Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:26 AM Look at it this way, Hyp -- The 'Net will altogether quickly be changing the status of world radio, and those broadcasting corporations that jump on the wagon early will probably be the only ones left standing at the end of the day. That goes for the announcers and programmers, too. I wouldn't worry too much about this eejit -- if he doesn't change his attitude, then he's going to be out of an audience and a job in the not-too-distant future. So, there's no need for abusive emails -- let us damn him with faint praise and silence instead. -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Gary T Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:28 AM I don't know anything about the guy (I'm in the U.S.), but for someone to find it worth bragging about that only two people found it worth their time to e-mail him tells me a lot. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Jacob B Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:37 AM Besides, he's wrong. There are at least as many happy freaks around here as sad ones, right? |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Hyperabid Date: 16 Mar 00 - 10:07 AM No Praise the mudcat was not mentioned specifically. As usual the statement was a general stereotyping of Internet users as anorakky no-mates with inadequate personal lives. Once again someone shows no appreciation of how well the Internet is being used in the .org sector. Re abusive emails - Not a good idea in my book... Critical yes - Abusive no. I think Áine and Gary T have the right of it. Ignore him he'll go away anyway. Hyp |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Amos Date: 16 Mar 00 - 10:33 AM He raises an interesting point, if from a very uninformed and emotionally sorry perspective. As a species, we have striven with high-effort, solid survival and protection of our own in real 3D terms for millenia. For a period of centuries we have added to that the social inventiveness that grew out of writing and printing -- the formation of groups, and constitutions, written rules, and documentation, but _slow_ message systems. Consider how long it must have taken to write Boswell's Life or The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, when quills and blocks of type were the state of things. In the last century, "life" became a balance between messaging and solids -- the standardization of machines and mass production and agriculture, on one hand, and the advent of better paper systems, typewriters, linotype machines, carbon paper and even copying machines. Commerce accelerated, as did other kinds of social inventions -- consider the growth of the US Federal Gummint in just the last century. "Having a life" has always involved this balance of force, solid and messaging/information. But for millenia, because of our meaty natures, the predominant focus has been on the three dimensional. The growth curve of speed of messaging ramped up dramatically when wires began to spread with the Bell and Marconi systems, and the first teenagers to grow up with telephones probably looked like hopeless geeks to their parents -- spending hours chatting on the phone when they could be baking. In the last twenty years, though, this curve has stood up and taken off...outside of telepathy itself, which has always been a hit or miss proposition, we have never had such amazingly fast ways of exchanging information, decisions, numbers, pleasanteries, and emotion. As with any introduction of a new wuality in a complex system, this can and sometimes does lead to breakdowns like those nameless grinches who post in tiny letters, or hackers who harm others; but there were probably some old leatherheads who had a hard time adjusting to the Pony Express and the advent of regular mail, likewise, and fled to the hills on burros :>) But resilient critters ike us adapt and discover the best in new capabilities and new systems. The dimensions opened by instant exchange and understanding between physically remote people are an additional benefit to human repertory, not a distraction from it. Everything that is good and uplifting and exciting (except protein itself) about human life exchanging with itself can be found here, as well as the dreck of human stupidity and neurosis. To integrate it fully requires a new casting of the balance between physical and cyber spaces, information and effort. There is no virtual substitute for another set of warm toes under the sheets. That partof the balance mustn't be lost. But to live life not knowing the amazing and energizing joy of cybercommunication is to have lost a life indeed. Within his grasp, the Luddite you mention is walking away from the richest vein of new human communication and human experience around. And he knows it, which is why he is sour and grumpy. A |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: GMT Date: 16 Mar 00 - 10:42 AM Nicely reasoned Amos. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 16 Mar 00 - 11:27 AM Amos, It took Boswell a long time to write his great work because he had to wait for Johnson to think of clever things to say-- |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Rick Fielding Date: 16 Mar 00 - 11:35 AM Heck, what's wrong with being a "sad freak"? Most of the time I'm a happy Freak. Guess the only time I'd feel insulted is if someone called me "mainstream, average, or normal". Now THAT would would be sad! Rick |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Amos Date: 16 Mar 00 - 11:38 AM Rick, you sliced the onion neatly. You not only sing like a godlet, you think like one too! |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Mooh Date: 16 Mar 00 - 11:53 AM Freaks? Really? I'm very proud to be a freak! Peace. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: kendall Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:00 PM a freak is a "one of a kind" thats me. A mutant is a bunch of odd balls, such as talk radio hosts. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Mbo Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:21 PM Freak, that's me. But in a good way! "The lunatic is on the 'Cat...the lunatic is on the 'Cat..." --Mbo (I'll see you all on the dark side of the moon!) |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 16 Mar 00 - 01:00 PM LOL!! Except for the last few post here, I gotta say, oft-times this place takes it self WAY too serious!! It's only the internet... And cyberspace IS full of sad freaks.... The internet is antisocial, regardless of how long you've been here, or how you feel about the avatars you think you know.... But really, who cares what some radio jocky thinks about anything... they certainly aren't hired for their brains... {~` |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: GeorgeH Date: 16 Mar 00 - 01:46 PM Hey, Clinton, the WORLD is anti-social. Just look at any politician, and think who put him where he is . . G. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: kendall Date: 16 Mar 00 - 01:54 PM maybe the reason he only got two e mails is because his e mail address is invalid. I'll bet he knows it too.. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: MMario Date: 16 Mar 00 - 01:57 PM clinton - you obviously haven't hung out in the tavern much..... |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: catspaw49 Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:02 PM I'm completely insulted here!!! What utter nonsense to be spit out on the radio or elsewhere!! I'm OUTRAGED!!!!! There is NO excuse for this!!! It frightens me to think of the sheer audacity of it all. Its reprehensible!!!! Completely beyond all sense of decorum and certainly the ravings of an idiot!!! I AM INCENSED!!!!!!! What's this thread about anyway? I didn't bother to read it, just posted to it. Seems like a popular thing to do so I thought I'd try it. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:02 PM GeorgeH: My point exactily!! LOL! One reason why I stay away from politics... MMario: The Mudcat Cybertavern?? Nope... never have... never will... When I socialise, it's face to face... not through avatars that can be what ever the user want's them to be... ButI'm not gettting into this debate again... Besides, that's not what this thread is about... |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: TerriM Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:03 PM Hype, the obvious answer is to change radio stations and listen to Terry Wogan on 2, he rocks! |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: MMario Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:11 PM Clinton - you complain about people taking themselves too seriously but refuse to "attend" areas where they loosen up. You post to a forum - yet claim that you will not cyber-socialize. What do you think a forum is, if not social? The whole point is that it IS a social interaction rather then a solitary one. And if you think face-to-face prevents people from wearing "masks" and assuming "personas" you are very VERY sadly deluded. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:31 PM MMario I tried to drop it but you wouldn't let it stay dropped... This is not social... Not in my opinion anyway... and as far as I'm concerned, my opinion is the one that counts the most to me... I'm sure you feel yours is the more important to you, and you're right... You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want... |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: MMario Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:44 PM I refused to let it drop? and you responded to me. Then you are interacting with me, correct? That is socialization. By definition. opinion has nothing to do with it. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Rick Fielding Date: 16 Mar 00 - 04:07 PM Mmario and Clinton, I love it! Keep 'er goin', you're certainly making ME smile!
Acually in the year and a half I've been on Mudcat, I've learned lots about people but A GREAT DEAL ABOUT MYSELF. Some of it pretty thought provoking. Reminds me a great deal of William Goldman's "Lord of the Flies".(and then some) Rick |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Jon Freeman Date: 16 Mar 00 - 04:51 PM I am with Rick on this one and I would hate to be thought of as normal - I am just me for better or worse. One thing that does sadden me though is a lot of people seem to think if you spend a lot of time on the internet, you are necceserally looking for porn... A few weeks ago, I had somebody ringing my doorbell at about 4am as he saw the lights on in my living room and was trying to locate somebodys flat as he had got himself a little stranded. I could not help him with the address but did offer him a cup of coffe and somewhere warm for the night. I was in the middle of and ICQ chat with a couple of Muddcatters at the time and when he saw me typing, he decieded that I was obviously onto some sex chat line. He said he'd leave me to it and kept quiet after the initial accusation/ suggestion and stayed but I was more than a little pissed off. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Linda Kelly Date: 16 Mar 00 - 05:14 PM Are't we missing the obvious-if he only got 2 emails then perhaps the sad oaf only had two listeners! |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Mar 00 - 05:35 PM Anyone listening to Radio One is missing out on life. Missing out on better radio channels too. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Mark Cohen Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:06 PM No, 'Spaw, angry lessons are down the hall, on the left. No, not that one, that's "Being Hit Over the Head" lessons. Right, there you go, have fun... |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: GUEST,flattop Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:29 PM Methinks Boswell and Gibbons found words as plenty as blackberries long before Windows and MACs. Neither was handicapped by primative technology. Boswell didn't wait a long time for Sammy J. to be witty. They spent less than two years together in total, including the trip through Scotland. Since they didn't have TV, Johnson had worked and reworked his sayings on lantern lit tavern audiences long before Boswell arrived. Very quotable, the good doctor J. Boswell wrote volumes of diaries. It's all in his diaries. Every time Johnson insulted him, Boswell jotted it down as faithfully as he could. Eddy Gibbons belonged to Johnson's literary club. Johnson recommended Boswell to the club saying that 'Boswell was a clubable fellow.' Perhaps Gibbons was honouring Boswell when he started The Decline with a joke about Scotland - about part in the north of England to uncivilized for the Romans to bother conquering. Boswell had an interesting life without e-mail. Johnson would lecture Boswell on piety. Boswell would take a break to check the prostitute he'd been with the night-before's for VD, not find her, and decide to try another. Boswell would challenge someone to a duel, then realize that he didn't want to die, then find a way to weasel out of the duel. He witnessed riots in an English town against a law prohibiting throwing stones at birds on Sunday. He rode on carriages driven at full speed through robber infested highways. Yeah, Boswell had a life. Read his diaries. I don't know if Boswell suffered from venereal vulnerabilities but Gibbons died a few days after a doctor lanced a huge cyst on his testicles. |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: GUEST,ceitagh Date: 16 Mar 00 - 09:31 PM One thing about the 'Net...it's hard to stay lonely without being outright anti social...it is a useful medium for meeting new people and actually, one of the few ways of expanding your circle of contacts left to the world that doesn't require other social contacts. Or so it feels sometimes. Think of it...how many of us actually feel comfortable walking up to someone on the street or in a store or whatever and introducing ourselves? most of us meet new people through friends, and friends of friends. The net gives people who have never had luck making friends where they are, and those of us who want a change, a chance to reach outside our limited social circles. It's awesome! All the lonely people....get on the net right now! |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Hyperabid Date: 17 Mar 00 - 04:18 AM Mmmm Terry Wogan and rocks were not words I had considered in the same sentence before... However all taste is personal and I might just give it a try. Normally if I'm feeling fusty I switch to Radio 4 and in the evenings Virgin is blessed with not having Chris &*^%&^%ing Evans on and is quite fun... Good lively debate tho' Catters. Hyp |
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Subject: RE: Insulted on national radio! From: Hyperabid Date: 17 Mar 00 - 04:52 AM And for those who might be inetersted you can find out all about young Scott |
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