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Subject: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Elektra Date: 23 Mar 00 - 02:43 PM As music lovers of all kinds, I thought some of you might appreciate this:
TEEN PUNISHED WITH WAYNE NEWTON MARATHON
TROY, Mich. (AP) -- A rap fan ticketed for violating the city's loud-radio ordinance served two hours of hard time Tuesday listening to the music of Las Vegas crooner Wayne Newton.
Justin Rushford, 18, sat in Troy's courthouse and listened to the entire Wayne Newton Greatest Hits compact disc several times. [snip]
"Yes! I'm done," The Oakland Press reported Rushford saying moments after completing the sentence.
Wearing baggy blue jeans, a white fleece top and a gold hoop in each ear, he told the Detroit Free Press "it makes me think about other people's styles of music. I probably wouldn't appreciate it if some old man drove past me blasting this music." [snip]
Troy District Judge Michael Martone, waived the jail time and fines for violating the noise ordinance.
Martone, known for handing down novel sentences, such as having drunken drivers watch autopsies, said he "meant no disrespect" for the perennial crooner.
[sarcasm on]
Things like this should be the RULE, not the exception, no? *elektra*
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: jeffp Date: 23 Mar 00 - 03:24 PM I heard about this on the radio and thought it was a very fitting punishment. We need more creativity like this from the bench. jeffp |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Mar 00 - 03:38 PM Yes, and every teen who wants a driver's license should have to go out on an emergency call just once to help extract mangled bodies from a wreck, or attend an autopsy. Or, have a permanent lock on their accelerator which only lets them go up to 20mph, until a certain age and clean driving record have been attained. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Bert Date: 23 Mar 00 - 03:47 PM Sounds kinda like "The Caucasian Chalk Circle" Also reminds me of a 'punishment' we used on ours when they were teenagers - They got to watch HEE HAW. They still talk about it. Then one day we played 'Patsy Cline' all day long 'cos they wouldn't keep the volume down on their raucus rock. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Áine Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:00 PM All right now, bert -- You've finally crossed the line -- I would never consider listening to Patsy Cline a punishment, ya bugga! -- Áine P.S. I wonder if the judge changes "annoying artistes" from time to time -- say, maybe the next time the offender will have to listen to hours of Donny and Marie??? No, probably not, they'd jump out the window after about 20 minutes or so . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Amos Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:00 PM In Singapore the new cars all have speed-governors by law. and the commercial vehicles have little lights on the roof which go off if the speed limit is violated, I have been told. What an intrusion! But,, I am sure it is effective. :>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:00 PM Bert, what is the "CCC"?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Bert Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:18 PM kat, it's a play by Brecht here http://www.thedaily.washington.edu/archives/1996_Spring/May91996/chalk.html Áine, it wasn't a punishment for US, we enjoyed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Hollowfox Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:35 PM Regarding the choice of music for the punishment: a girlfriend pointed out to me that "kitty heaven is mousie hell". Anybody else ever hear this phrase, or did her dad make it up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:51 PM Its a quote from the "Litter Red Book" of Mao Tse Dung. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:05 PM Funny story, but no court/judge involved: Several years ago we had young man, about 20, living across the street from us. He like to play hard rock REALLY LOUD from his car stero in the drive. It was so loud my windows rattled and I could hear it in the house with all the doors and windows shut. I called the Police (hubby) several times, and they would go talk to him. He would turn it down til they were out of sight, then BOOM! One day I had just HAD it, so I went and got my 4'band speaker, big amp, etc. and set it up on the patio. Cranked the master to 10, and played Highland Pipe music as loud as I could! Only kept it on about 5 mins, but the next door neighbor was apparently doing some plumbing under his bathroom sink, and jumped so hard he knocked off the pipe he was working on, and bumped his head! )He wasn't hurt, just MAD!) We never had a loud music problem in the neighborhood after that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Callie Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:20 PM Like that scene in The Young Ones where the man is tortured by being forced to listen to Barry Manilow on headphones. It's unfortunate that the guy who was picked up for this happened to be listening to rap music, probably THE most contemporary expression of political solidarity amongst young marginalised people. I also notice the article described his clothing. I was going to comment that the newspaper must have been utterly despicably conservative, sensationalist and anti any kind of youth expression to have written something like that. But that describes most mainstream media. Haven't the law enforcers of this world got better things to do? --callie |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Bert Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:29 PM Sorcha, we had neighbors like that once. parties four times a week into the early hours of the morning. When they weren't partying next door they left their kids alone and they screamed the whole time. No amount of polite requests helped. One night we had had enough. We waited 'till they got home around 4 AM. Kept quiet for about twenty minutes 'till they were fast asleep. Then we put the speakers against the joining wall and cranked it up full for the rest of the night. Never had a problem again. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:32 PM Ain't vigilante justice great? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Mbo Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:35 PM Sorcha--YOU RULE!!! Ha ha! Pipe music gets 'em every time! Great stuff...of course my favorite "drown out music" is ELO's cover of "Roll Over Beethoven"--let those cellos teach 'em a thing or two! BTW I think I'd probably enjoy Wayne Newton's greatest hits...I feel a song coming on! "Luck be a lady tonight, luck be a lady tonight..." --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Bert Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:37 PM Yeah! If I remember right we used Balkan dance music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: katlaughing Date: 23 Mar 00 - 06:14 PM We did that to neighbour kids, too, I always used classical, mostly Mozart's Requiem...seemed appropriate as a kind of warning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Fountainfox Date: 23 Mar 00 - 06:25 PM The only thing new to me in the story is that a judge was involved. Around here, every county has a jail, but there aren't many Youthful Offender Places, and the nearest one to our county is 4 hours away by car. When a Youthful Offender gets a stay in the Youthful Offender Place he (the one for Youthful Female Offenders is considerably closer and there actually aren't very many of them) is taken there by a Sheriff's Deputy. I have been told by these deputies, who like this duty, that before the ride starts, the Youthful Offender is told something to the effect that "It's four hours, I listen to the radio and YOU'RE not touchin it." And on comes the polka music, all the way across Wisconsin.
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Mar 00 - 06:30 PM God SAVE me from being a YO in Wisconsin! HELP,I need the Center--where's the helicopter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: ddw Date: 23 Mar 00 - 06:31 PM We had neighbors with a pool who used to turn their outdoor speakers to baseball games ever Saturday, then crank up the volume whether they were on the patio or not. My wife, who loves to work in her garden, hates any kind of sports broadcasts — says the announcers yell all the time. She had put up with this for months, ocassionally asking if they could turn it down and getting only marginal and temporary results. One beautiful august afternoon the neighbors had invited about 20 friends for a barbeque and pool party, so wife put our best speakers in the bedroom windows over the patio, cranked up the volume and listened to opera all afternoon. We never heard another baseball game we didn't want to. And thank god I wasn't home that day!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Petr Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:01 PM Whether Rap is political (or even music for that matter) is beside the point. Not everyone wants to be force fed someone elses music/noise. I would feel the same way if it was any genre. On a similar vein, classical and opera music has been used to clear teenagers hanging around store fronts or in the malls. Apparently it works like a charm. Petr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: kendall Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:05 PM My brother worked in a garage with one of those tone deaf rock idiots who had to have it at full volume. Brother asked him to tone it down, then told him to, then he took a knife and cut the end off the cord. The idiot just smiled and replaced the plug. Back to full volume. Brother walked over with a large hammer and reduced the radio to small pieces. Fortunately the idiot knew better than to interfere. Some people just dont get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: High and Lonesome Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:17 PM When the American troops were trying to get Manuel Noriega out of his barricaded palace, they played such songs (at loud volume) as "I Fought the Law and the Law Won." I just heard recently that a college president, trying to clear his office of students who had taken it over, decided to play N'Sync at 4 a.m., thinking they would like the music's beat so much, they would suffer sleep deprivation. He would have had more luck with Wayne Newton, I think, or with the real killer stuff, playing the song "Feelings" over and over again. Everybody sing it along with me. . . "Whoa whoa whoa, feelings. . ." I'd be out of the president's office like a shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: kendall Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:24 PM There was a fast food joint in, I think it was Hamilton Ont. where the yard was always full of kids hanging around. Instead of pissing them off by driving them away, the manager played Vivaldi over the sound system. They all left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Callie Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:49 PM Hello????!! Anyone out there??!!??! What's WRONG with kids hanging around fast food joints/stations etc?? They can't go drinking in bars!!! PUBLIC spaces are PUBLIC. That means EVERYONE!!! Callie |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: ceitagh Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:25 PM Callie: The problem as i understand it is that the sight of a group of lounging youth at a storefront scares away business. Now that storekeepers, etc, would want to move these youth doesn't surprise me...that people are so intimidated by teens that they'll avoid shopping somewhere surrounded by them...that bugs me. Like you said, there aren't many other places for youth to go. On the other hand, in my hometown we've had complaints about teens loitering for a long time...a couple of years ago my driving instructer (an awesome guy by the name of Dave)decided to give the teens a place to go...he sunk most of his savings into a youth club, with pool tables, dance floor, video games, etc....a teen's dream. It was a huge success....until a bunch of the regulars trashed the joint. Eventually it had to be closed down, and now the teens are on the streets again. I gotta say tho, I like the idea of clearing storefronts with classical music...a lot friendlier way of doing it then passing anti-loitering bylaws. :-) pax, Ceit |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: kendall Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:29 PM Businesses are in business to make money. Not to provide a place where teens can hang out and create a lot of noise which drives paying customers away. A short time ago, in Portland Maine, there was a gang fight, and one of the boys was fatally stabbed. Who wants to go to places like that? It was a restaurant that is open all night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Callie Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:55 PM I guess we're lucky in Australia. We don't have gangs. The kids that hang out together just usually happen to be minority ethnic groups, and that gives media & conservative politicians the go ahead to harrass them. We don't have guns either. The kids that hang out in shopping centres are usually JUST hanging out outside shopping centres. Shopkeepers don't like them coz they don't have a lot of spending money. Older conservative white people are afraid coz they're xenophobic. Without having DONE anything, the kids are immediately branded as 'ethnic gangs'. We don't have guns either ... I did some work 2 years ago developing arts projects for young people who hang out in the local square. We set up dj-ing, aerosol art and hip hop workshops IN the public square, and the whole thing ended with a big evening extravaganza. We have the local council on side and the cops. The project generated a lot of positive media AND positive response from shopkeepers, because the focus was on what the kids had achieved, not on what colour their skin was or why they shouldn't be there. Phew! i feel better after that wee purge! i might go and switch on my Acker Bilk record now Callie |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Mbo Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:23 PM I tell ye, just put on Wagner's "Flying Dutchman Overture" and Berlioz's "Rakoczy Match" and watch 'em head for the hills! Love that stuff! Oh yeah...and Mahler's Titan Symphony... --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: ceitagh Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:35 PM There used to be this group of kids in highschool who blared this hip-hop expletive laced stuff during in the caf every lunch. Finally one day me and my friends got to the sound system first and played Gordon Lightfoot...teh tables around us cleared out...for about 15 minutes until this big guy and his friends showed up and threatened to throw our CD in the trash. They were bigger'n us, so we gave in. Shame that...we were gonna play Buffy St.Marie next! pax, Ceit |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Caitrin Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:54 PM They allow you to play CDs in school? CD and tape players and radios are strictly banned at good ol' D.H. Conley High. Just doing their part to make school a less enjoyable and fulfilling place, I suppose. My mother has been known to blast NPR when encountering people whose music is too loud. I often appreciate loud music, but not when it's going to bother others. There is such a thing as basic courtesy, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: ceitagh Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:03 PM Well...I went to a fairly small, fairly relaxed High School...The playing of CD's during lunch started 'cause the caf is also the Drama room and the techies were too lazy to take down and set up the sound equipment in between performances, so there'd be this awesome sound equipment sitting around hooked up...irresistable, y'know. After a while of listening to loud music tho the teachers on lunch duty began unplugging it... pax, ceit |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Sorcha Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:27 PM Two things here: Caitrin said the magic words--basic courtesy--seems not to exist among too many teens these days. And daughter Kate was "threatened" with a loitering ticket last week during her lunch hour in a public PARK! Boy, did Sgt. Dad and MomSorcha jump his ass!(the stoopid cop, that is |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Mbo Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:39 PM Cretins! No justice! No respect! A plus of being an ECU art student is, with 3 hours blocks of studio courses, we get boomboxes to listen to. I was in the printmaking lab for 9 straight hours on Monday...I had some good rockin' classic rock on the radio..."Baba O'Reilly", "Goin' Mobile", "Kashmir", "White Wedding", "Serenade" (by Steve Miller Band)--it was great! BTW I also brought my Celtic music to play during my figure drawing class last semester...the students surprisingly liked it, even "Donal Agus Morag"! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Bert Date: 24 Mar 00 - 02:01 PM You're right Callie, The Kids need somewhere to hang out. When we were teens, there was NOTHING to do in our town so we rented a hall and charged sixpence a head to come in. We bought a record player and played our own records (long before disco). Soon we had a thriving club with 90 or more every Sunday night (the only night the hall was available). Well this really upset the local 'Community Association' whose organized youth club only had about five members. So their leaders spread lies about us in the newspaper and we got shut down. It was fun while it lasted though. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Jim Krause Date: 24 Mar 00 - 02:26 PM Sorcha, I had a similar experience, too. I used to live in a duplex next door to this guy who liked to play that head bangin' stuff real loud. And like everybody else, asked him to turn it down, politely. Finally having enough, I put on Mozart's Requiem real loud. So loud in fact that I had to take my stereo in for repairs later. I told the repairman that it was worth it when he told me that the amp wasn't built to handle such a load. We both had a good chuckle. I didn't hear the head bangin' stuff after that. I just felt sorry for my poor cat who also had to endure the volumn. By the way, the cat forgave me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Caitrin Date: 24 Mar 00 - 03:55 PM My friends and I tend to hang out at people's houses. Our parents are all pretty relaxed about people being in and out as long as it doesn't get too loud. If it does get loud, we get sent to the backyard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: katlaughing Date: 24 Mar 00 - 04:43 PM Callie, your posting about Australia and the cultures is very itneresting. Good for you for working on such great and worthy projects. I hope you will tell us more. It is good to learn of how societies in different places deal with the intereactions of generations, cultures, etc. Thanks, kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Poetic' Justice? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 24 Mar 00 - 07:04 PM I once rented a sailboat at Hopetown in the Bahamas, a nice 60 foot sloop with all the comforts. There were 6 of us, and one night we had a lobster feast at Lizard Cay.Afterwards we returned to the boat in very "high" spirits, and broke out the rum and reggae tapes. We partied until about 1 am to the loud tunes of Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley and Jimmy Cliff. About 5 am we were treated to ANCHORS AWEIGH blasted from a PA horn on the mast of the only other boat in the harbor as they hoisted sail and departed. Served us right! |