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Subject: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,radriano
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 02:47 PM

Hello, everybody:

I'm trying to track down the author of The Walls of Troy, a song that appeared on one of The House Band albums. My former band, Out of the Rain, used to perform this song and I wanted to include it on a CD of excerpts from live performances we've done. A number of years have passed and the information has been lost in the shuffle.

The song does not seem to be in the database but I don't want to add it until I have the author's name.

Thanks for any help I can get on this!

radriano


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 05:10 PM

The phrase occurs in some versions of "Claudy Banks" - the only place I can remember hearing it sung.

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 07:27 PM

Hello Martin, nice to hear from you.

The Walls of Troy I'm talking about is a more recently composed song - here are the lyrics:

THE WALLS OF TROY
(Terry Conway)
[as performed by The House Band]

The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road
To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold
But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood
To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood
Chorus:

And you'll hear them come around again
Hear the trumpets sound again
Hear the drums resound again
Beneath the walls of Troy

When nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes
And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows
The patriot must be revered, he has no need to hide
But the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side

You'll hear them talk of natural laws and population trends
They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends
They'll say that man was made to hunt, it's all part of the game
Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name

Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free
The hate, the fear, it's so sincere - it's all too much for me
Your freedom is the right to war, to plunder and to
To rape and slay the child unborn and all to show the flag

The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road
To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold
But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood
To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood


Regards,
radriano


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Abby Sale
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 07:33 PM

Good song for a new one. I have a note it's by Terry Conway


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,aldus
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 09:08 AM

I believe the Walls of Troy you are seeking is actually part of the Chorus to some versions of The Banks of Claudy. Lyrics to which can be found at the Liza Carthy Website.


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Callie
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 09:13 AM

I know the song Claudy Banks, I've always been puzzled by the reference to the Walls of Troy. Can someone explain what they are and what their significance is?

--Callie


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:05 PM

Callie

I'll leave it to the classicists among us to blind you with detail but bacically it's a (classical) reference to Helen and the siege of Troy. Don't ask me how it got into (that version of) Claudy Banks! MInd you, I could speculate about hedge-schoolmasters and Irish connections.... In the song it seems to be a metaphor for bravery and nobility.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Callie
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 05:24 PM

oh ok - O know about THAT Troy. I just couldn't see that it was connected with the Claudy Banks.

But hey - it's a song! Am willing to think laterally!

Thanks Martin!

--Callie


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 06:55 PM

Callie

Beats me too! The point about "hedge-schoolmasters" is that many Irish songs (both in Irish and English) are laden down with classical references. One theory is that this evolved from the work of itinerant teachers who, with a modicum (nice word that!) of Latin and Greek, taught people outside such mainstream education as then existed. That said, I've no idea whether Claudy Banks is basically English or Irish (lots of rivers of that name).

Regards


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Callie
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 10:32 PM

Wow - Claudy sounded like a French name to me. Well, "mystery is the essential part of any work of art". Someone famous said that.

--Callie


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 04:34 PM

I've looked up the lyrics for Claudy Banks without seeing the reference to Troy's walls. However, it might be relevant that there are a number of places in Britain (don't know about Ireland) called Troy Town (for some reason), and there are also a number of turf mazes called Troy Towns. I'm not sure how much these groups overlap. A turf maze is cut in the grass and in a unicursal labyrinth (ie no choices, it winds in and then it winds out). It doesn't therefore have walls. So not much help there.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,radriano
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 05:09 PM

The song I was looking for, The Walls of Troy, is on the album Word of Mouth by The House Band. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a copy of it here in the San Francisco Bay area. If anyone has this recording would you be kind enough to see who the author is? Abby Sale (mudcatter) says its by Terry Conway and I'd just like to verify that.

Thanks!
radriano


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Callie
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 05:09 PM

Penny: whenever I've seen the song written down, there's been no reference to Troy. However, in Eliza Carthy's version, she sings "he is the darling of my heart all on the walls of Troy" to finish each chorus. Go figure!

--Callie


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,radriano
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 05:15 PM

The song I was looking for, The Walls of Troy, is on the album Word of Mouth by The House Band. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a copy of it here in the San Francisco Bay area. If anyone has this recording would you be kind enough to see who the author is? Abby Sale (mudcatter) says its by Terry Conway and I'd just like to verify that. (Abby, I'm not doubting you but I wasn't sure what you meant by 'I have a note that it's by Terry Conway')

Thanks!
radriano


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Abby Sale
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 07:26 PM

Sorry. I have a note on my album Word of Mouth by The House Band that it's by Terry Conway of Hexham, Northumberland. Now, never doubt again!


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,radriano
Date: 31 Mar 00 - 10:55 AM

Abby, thank's for that clarification. I did get corroboration of Terry Conway as the author from another source. I will never, ever, in my entire life, or another other life I should have, doubt you again!

Many thanks,
radriano


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WALLS OF TROY (Terry Conway)
From: GUEST,radriano
Date: 31 Mar 00 - 11:15 AM

The Walls of Troy
by Terry Conway

The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road
To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold
But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood
To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood

Chorus:

And you'll hear them come around again
Hear the trumpets sound again
Hear the drums resound again
Beneath the walls of Troy

When nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes
And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows
The patriot must be revered, he has no need to hide
But the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side

You'll hear them talk of natural laws and population trends
They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends
They'll say that man was made to hunt, it's all part of the game
Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name

Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free
The hate, the fear, it's so sincere - it's all too much for me
Your freedom is the right to war, to plunder and to brag
To rape and slay the child unborn and all to show the flag

The banner rides the winds of peace, the pilgrim takes the road
To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the gold
But the cities fall to hatred's call, the hero smells the flood
To celebrate the nation's state and dip their hands in blood

from the album Word of Mouth by The House Band
Green Linnet Records 3045


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,billyb
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 08:41 AM

"Walls of Troy" must be a corruption of "Wars of Troy" - a reference to the classical history battles that inspired song writers in the 18th and 19th centuries.


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: Barbara
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 03:39 PM

Nope, it's a heavy duty anti war song written by Terry Conway, and quoted by radriano, above.
And you'll hear them come around again
Hear the trumpets sound again
Hear the drums resound again
Beneath the walls of Troy
We transcribed the words and tune in the SFFMC folknik a while back.
Curiously it changed from major to minor when it crossed the pond.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: GUEST,Barnacle - at work
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:47 PM

Google Terry Conway and read the first page - you could probably ask him all you want to know - I can confirm that it is his song


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Subject: RE: Walls of Troy
From: fergusUK
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 09:59 AM

has anyone got the dots or a midi file for this song??


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy
From: RTim
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 01:02 PM

The "Walls of Troy" chorus was only collected once - from Frederick White in Southampton Workhouse in June 1906. When Gardiner first collected it, there was no chorus, it wasn't until it was recorded on a Cylinder later that White sang the Chorus. This can be heard on the EFDSS CD called - Century of Song.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy
From: ian1943
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 01:21 PM

I heard Terry Conway sing the song twice; he wrote it!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 06:06 PM

You can see the Banks Of Claudy version that Tim referred to on the new EFDSS Full English site: Banks of Claudy - Frederick White:

  I-o, I-o, he is my darling boy
  He is the darling of my heart upon the walls of Troy


(3rd and 4th images)

Mick


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 06:22 PM

Terry Conway, author of this song and many others (e.g. Fareweel Regality), died this year aged 69: obituary here.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 07:50 PM

And the local obit thread for him here: Obit: Terry Conway (4 Jun 2013)

Mick


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Subject: ADD: The Walls of Troy (Terry Conway)
From: GUEST,Chris Roche
Date: 25 May 17 - 05:26 PM

There are two verses missing the recording on Pete Coe`s new 2017 CD `The man in the van' is more complete and with the two missing verses makes more sense, there are other words that need to be corrected, I guess since Pete knew Terry Conway well he got it right, he sung The Walls Of Troy at the funeral for the family a fantastic 6 min song anti war all the way. His version is appended below I hope it helps.

THE WALLS OF TROY 1
(Terry Conway)

Now the banners ride the winds of peace, the pilgrims take the road
To advertise and civilize, and try to spread the cause
But the cities fall at hatred's call, and heroes swell the flood
To celebrate the nation state to dip their hands in blood

    CHORUS:
    And you'll hear them come around again
    Hear the trumpets sound again
    Hear the drums resound again
    Beneath the walls of Troy

Now in early days the people had to live their lives in tune
And ages went and seasons came to the call of lady moon
But from the east the hunters came without regard for law
They introduced the hunter`s horse and they invented war

In fragments lay the life on earth it was the sun gods came
And the men and the men of Iron soon overturned the cities on the plain
And the civilised to learned the trade to fight and to destroy
And Zeus looked down and laughed at them beneath the walls of Troy

Now when nations seek to find their friends they first compare their foes
And if the list turns out the same a sour alliance grows
And the patriot must be revered, he has no guilt to hide
And the man of peace is damned unless he's on the other side

Now you'll hear them talk of natural law population trends
They'll set the wise to rationalize and talk of means and ends
They'll say that man was born to hunt, it's all part of the game
Or maybe they'll blame religion if they think it clears their name

Now all the world's a patchwork quilt, all nations must be free
Their hate and fear are all sincere but it`s all too plain to see
Their freedom is the right of war to plunder or to brag
To rape and slay the child unborn it`s just to show the flag


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walls of Troy
From: RTim
Date: 25 May 17 - 07:21 PM

The House band...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3VLkOHI_Ic


Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walls of Troy
From: RTim
Date: 25 May 17 - 07:25 PM

There was a version of The Banks of Claudy collected from Fred. White in Southampton Workhouse 1906?? (around then) by Dr. Gardiner - that has the following chorus and this is the only time it was collected thus:

Ey-oh ey-oh he is my darling boy
He is the darling of my heart
All on the walls of Troy

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origin: Walls of Troy (Terry Conway)
From: George Dawn
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 01:14 PM

Noted from the sleeve notes Of Riots and Rabbits available from www.stonehousemusic.co.uk/ - well worth buying. A remarkable talent.

THE WALLS OF TROY
(Terry Conway)

Now the banners ride the winds of peace, The pilgrims take the road,
To advertise and civilise, And try to spread the code;
But the cities fall at hatred's call, And heroes swell the flood
To celebrate the nation state, And dip their hands in blood.

    CHORUS:
    And you'll hear them come around again
    Hear the trumpets sound again
    Hear the drum resound again
    Beneath the walls of Troy

In early days the people had to live their lives in tune,
And seasons and ages went came, To the call of the lady moon.
Then from the east the hunters came, Without regard for law;
They introduced the hunter's horse, And they invented war.

In fragments lay the life of earth, It was the sun God's gain,
The men of Iron overturned the cities of the plain;
And the civilised soon learned the trade, To fight and to destroy;
And Zeus looked down and laughed at them, Beneath the walls of Troy.

When nations seek to find their friends, They first compare their foes;
And if the list turns out the same, A sour alliance grows.
And the patriot must be revered, He has no guilt to hide,
And the man of peace is damned - unless he's on the other side.

And you'll hear them talk of natural law, And population trends,
They'll set the wise to rationalise, And talk of means and ends;
They'll say that man was born to hunt, And it's all part of the game,
Or maybe they'll blame religion, If they think it clears their name.

So all the world's a patchwork quilt, All nations must be free,
Their hate and fear are all sincere, And it's all too clear to see
That their freedom is the right of war, To plunder and to brag,
To rape and slay the child unborn, And all to show the flag


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