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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:26 PM So any songs about orang-utans are out, but gorillas and chimpanzees are OK?
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Wolfgang Date: 27 Apr 00 - 04:57 AM re: why is it so difficult to find this song in the DT? When I typed this song about a year ago, I had checked the DT without success. We later found out (I don't know in which thread) that the DigiTradSearch doesn't know the word 'orange' at all (by the way, the word 'green' isn't a problem). Enter 'orange' and you'll see that it wrongly claims there is not a single song with this word in it. So if you ever make a search with 'orange' as one of the target words, write, e.g., '*range' and you'll get it. In this case, [old *range flute] finds the song. But don't try 'orang*' or 'ora*', the DT doesn't like the beginning of this word which perhaps has to do with the two letters OR which have a fixed meaning for some computer languages. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Peter T. Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:27 AM I doubt if the "Horst Wessel" song or "When the SS and and SA march together" are treasures. Great tunes. Just being picky. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Date: 26 Apr 00 - 07:25 AM thanks trevor- may we soon see mutual tolerance of the treasures of all traditions and the music of blue orange and green all played together All songs are treasures. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Trevor Date: 25 Apr 00 - 04:07 PM Erin, (just out of curiosity, why should one want to be called after a country ?) Conrad gave a most enlightening and accurate précis of the Unionist people's Song Tradition. It is a matter of fact not opinion. There is no side of any story to be gathered from what he says. The *content* of the songs will furnish you with any amount of opinions and interpretations of past - and present - events. I hope this helps to blunt the horns of your dilemma. Trevor |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: alison Date: 25 Apr 00 - 06:41 AM Erin, there have been many threads in the past on this subject..... here is a link to one of the more recent ones.. if you go down to my posting on 16/2/00 @ 7.46... you'll find links to some of the other ones as well.... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Mbo Date: 23 Apr 00 - 07:37 PM I like the part where the burn it, ha ha! Crummy little flute! Reminds me of the Fenian Victrola song! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Erin Date: 23 Apr 00 - 07:33 PM Conrad and Trevor, I would be interested in hearing your side of the story--examples, etc. I'm sure there have been other threads related to this, but if you'd like to "summarise" now, I'd like to hear it. Thanks. ~Erin |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Apr 00 - 06:40 PM The Soldiers Song (strictly speaking it should be A Soldier's Song) is the Irish National Anthem. I don't think there are any National Anthems on the DT (I haven't checked), and I don't think there's many would merit a place - but for the words in Irish and English, and the tune, click on this. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Trevor Date: 23 Apr 00 - 05:12 PM Well said Conrad. Thank God there is someone as well as myself who is not blinded by the green mould that obscures the clear pool of knowledge. Trevor |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Peter T. Date: 23 Apr 00 - 03:58 PM This is thread creep from a complete ijit, but what is "The Soldier's Song" (I think someone said it is the Irish national anthem, which I am ashamed to say I don't know), but I can't find it in the DT. Does it have another, more familiar name? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Apr 00 - 12:09 PM Parades play tunes, and generally there are several sets of words to good tunes. Some of them are going to be sectarian, some less so, or not even so at all. The words people hear in their heads may be different from the words the organisers say they were intended to be hearing.
To take examples from other contexts. So there you are playing "Maryland my Maryland" in a picket line, and get accused of playing "The Red Flag". There's a hymn that uses the same tune as the German National Anthem. That would really have gone down well in the war...
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Date: 23 Apr 00 - 09:46 AM First of all if Kick the Pope exists as a song it is not an "Orange Song" You have to get your categories streight- They are: 1. Unionist Songs- Songs and ballads which celebrate and encourage the union. Not usually much religion in them. 2. Orange Songs- Songs sung by the Orange order. Generally these are old historical ballads and religious songs. Songs which celebrate orange victories and record the attrocities visited upon protestants by catholics (things conveniently left out of the Nationalist Catholic tradition!) 3. Loyalist Songs- What one would call extremist music. The same as the IRA rebel song tradition. Gingoistic songs of kill the enemy and rape the pope etc... The song in question if it exists is a loyalist one. Sometimes folk refer to the entire loyalist tradition as kick the pope songs even though the pope does not turn up in them all that often. Note also that these days orange parades do not contain songs of the loyalist tradition because the order has bowed to the current state of political correctitude. In Irish st. patricks day parades in Baltimore you can find all of the IRA rebel songs you want. Just goes to show that some folks havent a clue as to what they should do. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: alison Date: 23 Apr 00 - 01:14 AM I looked back through the threads and found the link Ulster Orange Unionist Loyalist Songbook (the Boyne Water is there) a search for @Protestant will find you the ones that are in the DT... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: alison Date: 23 Apr 00 - 12:46 AM It is "the Boyne Water" as in "the battle of the Boyne", there are many Orange songs about it.. some of which are in the DT. "Kick the Pope" as far as I know isn't a song it's just an Orange slogan. Orange bands are often referred to as "kick the Pope bands". There is a Loyalist song site, but I can't find the link which has many of the songs....
slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Erin Date: 22 Apr 00 - 09:00 PM Yes, it's one of those nice, mutually derisive songs:P I know I've seen an Irish history book with a lot of Orange lyrics, and this has gotten me wanting to look up a few that it seems I remember being in there. I believe "A Book of Irish Quotations" (I'm pretty sure that's what it was called) had some interesting ones. Neil, I assumed it was a marching route, too. So what do you think is the reason for that line? It doesn't seem like it would be just random lyrics! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Apr 00 - 07:04 PM The great thing about the Ould Orange Flute is that it's neither Catholic nor Protestant, it gets sung among both persuasions. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: dick greenhaus Date: 22 Apr 00 - 06:35 PM That's "Boyne Water", and it's in DigiTrad. I never found the melody or words to "Kick the Pope". Conrad--are you listening? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 00 - 05:41 PM Now there's an answer I want to see! I've song the Flute for years without ever knowing whether that was one song or two ("Kick the Pope And Boil Water"?) I think I've seen "Croppies Lie Down", unless my memory is goofing around with me again. A |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Mrrzy Date: 22 Apr 00 - 05:31 PM I always thought it was a line from what the ould flute was whislin' - The Protestant Boys - as the flames soared around it. Which reminds me: Anyone know the lyrics to either Kick the Pope or Boil Water? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Irish sergeant Date: 22 Apr 00 - 11:49 AM Alison: Again you prove the value of these threads. I had made an assumption that it was a march route based on the nature of the song. I stand corrected and Erin, I offer my humble apologies. Write it off to my haste to help. Neil |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: alison Date: 22 Apr 00 - 09:01 AM Any time I have heard this sung it has had the "six miles from Bangor to Donaghadee" line in it....... it may not be in the original... but Tommy Makem sang it that way so people have probably taken it as gospel. Bangor to Donaghadee is not a march route. Donaghadee is a little seaside town (as is Bangor), just down the coast from Belfast. It has a light-house... and it's where we used to go for sunday afternoon drives when we were small. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Date: 22 Apr 00 - 07:47 AM It is here with all the other neglected yet historical and classic and wonderous songs of Orange- http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5567/ooooo.html click here for songs Conrad |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Erin Date: 22 Apr 00 - 12:55 AM I'm always amazed at how helpful people are on here! I'm constantly thinking of lyrics I want to check, and other questions of that sort, and maybe I'll jot them down somewhere, but I always lose my scraps of paper (or else I write it on my hand & wash it off:P) and don't get around to asking things. I'll have to organize myself; I guess I could find out just about anything... Thanks, everyone:) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Annraoi Date: 21 Apr 00 - 09:54 PM Conrad Bladey has a site which is choc-a-bloc with Orange ballads, some of them great songs including this one. The 6 miles from Bangor to Donaghadee is neither a "traditional route" nor part of the "Oul' Orange Flute." Annraoi |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: dick greenhaus Date: 21 Apr 00 - 08:34 PM Damn! I don't know why Old Orange Flute doesn't appear in the onsite search of DigiTrad--It's been in the downloadable version for years. Oh well, another bug to fix up in the soon-to-arrive Spring 2000 edition. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Irish sergeant Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:55 PM You have a good ear, Erin. It is "And it's six miles from Bangor to Donaghadee (pronounced as it is spelled in the Irish song book). I believe it is taken from an old protestant marching song but don't quote me on that. Neil |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: Jon Freeman Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:32 PM Oddly enough it does exist in the database at http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4430 but a search for OLD ORANGE FLUTE doesn't find it. I found it by searching for Flute. The version in the DT does not have the "Six miles from Bangor to Don-na-ha-de" (spelling taken from The Irish Song Book - Clancey Brothers and Tommy Makem). Martin, you forgot the HREF between the A and the HTTP. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Erin Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:15 PM Haha, thanks:) I don't really need the lyrics for the rest of it--as far as I know, I'm hearing them right--but thanks for that line. I figured it might be from another song; is that an Orange marching route, do you know? ~Erin |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:02 PM I give up! Just put "orange" in the filter box and set for 1 year. Help, Joe! Regards |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:01 PM Damn! Screwed up again! Try HERE Regards |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old Orange Flute ending From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Apr 00 - 05:00 PM It may not have found its way to the database yet - but it was given in a thread some time ago . Click HERE . Mind you, the line youi want isn't! My guess is "six miles from Bangor to Donaghadee" - which is a quote form another song. Regards |
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Subject: Old Orange Flute ending From: GUEST,Erin Date: 21 Apr 00 - 04:56 PM Hi.. Couldn't find "The Old Orange Flute" in the database, for one thing, which surprised me, but all I'm looking for is the words the Clancys & Tommy Makem sing at the end; "..And it's six miles from Bangor to ??" Thanks, ~Erin |
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