Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: MAG (inactive) Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:40 PM "MARY OF THE WILD MOOR" may qualify -- girl home with baby, old style Scots father refuses to let her in, they both freeze to death. He's sorry too late. If it's not in the DB I'll get it off the J A Cameron vinyl and post it. there's that great rhyming monolog about "That's how it is when we're ruined." [THE RUINED MAID by Thomas Hardy] |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Frankie Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:36 PM Yes Mbo, that was by Junior Brown off his Semi Crazy CD (which by the way is a hoot). Another listing could be Dance Hall Girls of Baltimore by Tim Hardin (?). F |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Mbo Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:38 PM Junior Brown RULES!! --Mbo |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,not Cecil Sharp Date: 19 Dec 00 - 12:57 PM (a) The bawdier variants of REILLY'S DAUGHTER?
(b) -new- See him in the -- Office (and you can pretty much make up the rest) |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,jaze Date: 19 Dec 00 - 07:30 PM IN THE QUIET MORNING IT AIN'T IN THE WINE (Kate Wolf) |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,JAZE Date: 19 Dec 00 - 07:35 PM 1. RAISED ON ROBBERY |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Ebbie Date: 19 Dec 00 - 08:34 PM YOU MAKE LOVE TO EVERYONE - by Webb Pierce |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 19 Dec 00 - 10:01 PM HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN. Where can I find all the lyrics to 'WAS I? (drunk, etc.)' Gad that is funny and true. I just heard 'BEESWING' on NPR this Sunday. Someone had ask about 'onery' that souther (United States below the Mason-Dixon Line) for honery or mean. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Crazy Eddie Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:38 AM That "long-legged street-walkin' Cajun-lookin devil" in the Kris Kristofferson song "SMOKEY PUT THE SWEAT ON ME" sounds like a candidate.
"DEVIL WOMAN" ("Devil woman, let me go...leave me alone, I wanna go home") Don't know who wrote it.
"DELILAH" (I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blinds). Though she didn't last long!
"Miss Nellie Bly [sp???]" Named as "The other woman" in some versions of "FRANKIE AND JOHNNY" (Including Michelle Shocked's excellent version).
Does "Felina" [sp??] from Rosa's cantina count? or is merely dancing in a cantina OK even tho' "Black as the night were the eyes of Felina, wicked & evil while casting their spell"? [EL PASO by Marty Robbins] OH FOR GOD@S SAKE, I'M ONLY KIDDING!!! |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Extra Stout Date: 20 Dec 00 - 02:09 AM Mississippi John Hurt's "RICHLAND WOMAN BLUES": 'Red rooster says "Cock-a-doodle-doo" Richland Woman says "Any dude'll do" ' |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Ribbit Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:10 AM "LAY LADY LAY" Bob Dylan "Keep On Truckin' Mama" Chad Mitchell Trio [MANDY LANE] |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: John Hardly Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:48 AM "YOU MAKE IT EASY (For A Man To Fall)"--James Taylor "THE RIVER WHERE SHE SLEEPS"--Dave Carter |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: John P Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:12 AM "BAD GIRL'S LAMENT", an oddball Unfortunate Rake variant where a woman is dying of strong drink and syphilis. When I was a young girl I used to seek pleasure When I was a young girl I used to drink ale Out of an alehouse and into a jailhouse Right out of a bar room and down to my grave. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,aldus Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:35 AM SHE MOVES AMONG MEN as sung by June Tabor. THE WHORE'S LAMENT as sung by Frankie Armstrong. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Songster Bob Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:34 PM Someone else listed one of my favorites, "JUST TELL THEM THAT YOU SAW ME," which was one of those Gay '90s songs, like "PICTURES FROM LIFE'S OTHER SIDE," "SHE'S MORE TO BE PITIED (Than Censured/Scorned)" (can't remember which the last word should be), and "THERE'LL COME A TIME (SOMEDAY)," which was one of the late Gus Meade's favorite songs because it was entirely in dialogue, with no "he saids," or "she saids." Another from that era is "THE FACE ON THE BAR-ROOM FLOOR" (was this set to music or just a poem?). Bob Clayton |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 20 Dec 00 - 02:49 PM First of all, the question Mark poses isn't "How many fallen women does it take to change a light bulb?" It's "How many fallen women does it take to "screw" in a light bulb?" Now, that puts a whole other take on this thread. Right? I suspect that the answer is one---at least if what you're looking for is the least number of fallen women it would take to do that. If you are looking for the most fallen women it would take, the answer would depend on the size of the bulb---unless, of course, you are one of those that thinks size matters. If you are gay, it's a whole other can o' worms. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:21 PM Are there any "Fallen Men" songs?? |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Catrin Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:08 PM Fallen Men?
(Hang down your head) TOM DOOLEY I suspect there's millions, but it's always the woman's fault! Cheers*BG*, Catrin |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Amos Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:49 PM IT'S THE SAME THE WHOLE WORLD OVER .... wait, I think we're counting an infinite loop.... A |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: mkebenn Date: 21 Dec 00 - 07:52 AM No mention of (faithless) FLORA (the lily of the west). On the drug theme, none better than Buffy's COD'INE. On the men's side Kris's "CASEY'S LAST RIDE" usually quiets the crowd for me.." and he stumbles as he's leavin', and he wonders if the reason is the beer that's in his belly or the tear that's in his eye" Come to think of it, there's one of each in that song. Mike Bennett |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,larry Date: 21 Dec 00 - 09:54 AM how about "LITTLE MAGGIE" the old bluegrass standard? |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Les from Hull Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:55 PM An excellent song on the 'fallen woman' and the difference between fallen women and fallen men is Michelle Shocked's PRODIGAL DAUGHTER (with some Cotton-Eyed Joe going on as well). A great song on a great album. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 21 Dec 00 - 09:54 PM "JELLY JELLY"---as done by Josh White "YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD OLD WAGON (DADDY, BUT YOU DONE BROKE DOWN)"--Bessie Smith "The Hooker Daisy Hill"--by Jud Strunk "THE FOGGY DEW" (trad.)
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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Jimmy C Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:49 AM THE JOLLY TINKER there are more songs about fallen women than there are fallen women ?. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 24 Dec 00 - 04:21 PM "Why Paddy's Not At Work Today" is definitely a song about a "fallen man". Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: AS I WENT OUT ONE MORNING (Bob Dylan) From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Dec 00 - 11:04 AM "As I Went Out One Morning" by Bob Dylan:
As I went out one morning
"Depart from me this moment,"
Just then Tom Paine, himself, From the great album "John Wesley Harding", which is a reflective work, full of religious imagery and a general feeling of repentance for past excesses. The fallen woman in this song is no doubt an archetype, meant to symbolize numerous things that lead one astray...things like the desire for fame, success, glory, and personal gain...at the expense of the soul's honesty. Then there's the old folk song that starts "Well met, well met, my own true love, well met, well met, cried he, for I've just returned from the salt, salt sea, and it's all for the love of thee..." in which the sailor turns out to be none other than Satan in disguise...what's the tile of that one? [THE HOUSE CARPENTER] As for "Lay, Lady, Lay", that is NOT about a fallen woman, it's about a faithful and loving wife. No fallen woman there whatsoever. Although, Bob does do an alternate version of it on Hard Rain that could possibly be interpreted as depicting a "fallen" woman, I suppose... - LH |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 25 Dec 00 - 12:58 PM Little Hawk, I've known that one for years as "THE DEMON LOVER." Dave oesterreich |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Dec 00 - 07:37 PM Hmmm...interesting. I've never seen it under that title. - LH |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Dec 00 - 07:51 PM And while we're at it...how many root beers does it take? - LH |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: John P Date: 26 Dec 00 - 08:00 AM "The Demon Lover" is a great song about a woman who succumbs to temptation. Titles for some variants of the same song are "The House Carpenter", "The Banks of Italy", "The Carpenter's Wife", and "James Harris". John |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Pixie Date: 26 Dec 00 - 10:16 AM How about "MARY DANCED WITH SOLDIERS", and "SISTER'S COMIN' HOME" (Willie Nelson, sung by Emmylou). I don't know if "SUMMER WAGES" works with the line "Hookers standing watchfully, waiting by the door"? And if you want to consider the prospect of women falling "up" lets consider "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOVE HIM"... Pixie |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 07 Sep 03 - 09:35 AM In I'VE GOT NO USE FOR THE WOMEN, in the DT HERE, it's not clear whether the gal was fallen or not, but she caused the fall of "the honest young cowboy". This is an old favorite of mine among the old-time tearjerkers. Now that it comes to mind, I've got to sing it more. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: open mike Date: 07 Sep 03 - 01:22 PM back in april this topic was addresses in this thread: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=58798#935976 fallen women |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Joe_F Date: 07 Sep 03 - 10:51 PM HEAVEN WILL PROTECT THE WORKING GIRL THE REEL OF STUMPIE |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 03 - 09:54 AM Fallen from where? How many fallen men are there, while we're at it? Do men fall from the same height as women? How does this falling stuff work, anyway? A |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Joe_F Date: 08 Sep 03 - 10:04 AM There was once a young lady named Sue, Who preferred a stiff drink to a screw, But one leads to the other, And now she's a mother. Let that be a lesson to you! Sung at a party, this caused a young & an old lady named Sue to look at each other & raise their eyebrows. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Frivolous Sal Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:46 PM "LOVE FOR SALE"
If you want the thrill of love,
They call her frivolous Sal |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Frivolous Sal Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:54 PM WE NEVER MENTION AUNT CLARA Her picture is turned to the wall She lives on the French Riviera Mother says she is dead to us all |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:57 PM I was told only to widdle-holdin de poo is the hardest thing ta do gas-most of the time- boy do I do a good poker face and -miss priss- has nothin on me! |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Sep 03 - 05:24 PM Such an esoteric question! And if they fall in the forest, which side will the moss grow on? Inquiring minds may want to know. Now I suppose the flight of Amelia Earhardt involved a fallen woman, at least when her plane plunged into the Pacific. There was another song about a cow that fell from the sky and sank a Japanese trawler, but that one's probably a stretch. There a traditional sea song about a female sailor who plunges to her death from the rigging, to the regret and subsequent amazement of all aboard. Then there's "HARPER VALLEY PTA." See, I can play fair too. How about songs about just crestfallen women? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 03 - 06:20 PM Congratulations to Mark Clark for launching a thread with a title that made me laugh right out loud! It conjures up so many amusing mental associations, before one realizes it's just songs he's after... I mean, really, how many fallen women does it take? I ask you! - LH |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Gareth Date: 08 Sep 03 - 07:02 PM Mmmm ! Fallen Women I am surprised that no body has mentioned "MAGGIE MAY" Gareth |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 03 - 07:03 PM Crestfallen I can understand -- they're the ones who have dropped their toothpaste tube on the bathroom floor at night. I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of such women. :>)) A |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:22 PM No, Amos, you've got it backwards. The women lurch into the bathroom, fumble open the medicine cabinet, and out pops a tube of Crest which lays them out cold. We could have the basis for a class action suit here, let along a promising ballad which would earn Mudcat and Max millions in royalties. How many women has this happened to? Fess up! Cheerily, Charley Noble, ducking for cover |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Grab Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:44 PM How many does it take? Never enough, LH, never enough - just ask Hugh Hefner ;-) But sometimes just one is too many, as the soldier invalided out due to pox found. It's never nice to be rendered whore de combat... "Jack and Jill went up the hill, They each had a shilling and a quarter. Jill came down with half a crown - They didn't go up for water." I think I'd better stop now. Grab. PS. I was sure this was going to be about screwing in lightbulbs - and the only answer to *that* one is "it depends how much you're paying". |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Hal Davis Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:56 PM Before the Crest hits the fan, Chris (?) White's "Nobody's" would qualify. |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Lyrical Lady Date: 08 Sep 03 - 09:54 PM hmmm...CIGARETTES AND WHISKEY AND WILD WILD WOMEN.... They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane... Or how about..SHE'S LIKE A SWALLOW...anyone know that one?? It's Canadian eh! LL |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: Amos Date: 08 Sep 03 - 10:06 PM I can see the headlines now! "Mudcat Leads Crestfallen Class to Seek Compensation for Dentifrice Assault!" "Folk Forum Tests Invisible Shield!" "Arguing the Gravity of the Situation, Corporate Bozos Try to Fend Off Folkies".... Years!... a veritable Bleak House of Toothpaste Wrangling. A |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: LadyJean Date: 08 Sep 03 - 11:29 PM It's the "FAIR FLOWER OF NORTHUMBERLAND", "Get ye doon frae my horse you're a brazen faced hoor."
On the Scot's theme, you might also enjoy "THE RANTIN DOG, THE DADDIE O'T." (Pregnant and unmarried.)
THE LICHTBOB'S LASSIE, (I'll dye my petticoat red. I'll face it with the yellow. I'll tell the dyer lad, that teh Lichbob's I'm tae follow."
A personal favorite of mine comes from Robert Burns "Merry Muse of Caledonia" "AS I CAM O'ER THE CAIRNEY MOUNT, And down amang the blooming heather, The Highland laddie drew his dirk, And sheathed it in my wanton leather." While perusing the "Merry Muse" you might look up "NINE INCH WILL PLEASE A LADY", or "MUIRLAND MEG".
Joe Hill wrote a song [THE WHITE SLAVE] that began "One little girl, fair as a pearl, Worked every day in a laundry." She didn't say pure long. There's a version of the "Streets of Laredo" about a young woman dying of VD. I suspect she caught it on the job.
How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 09 Sep 03 - 07:39 AM How many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb ? Just one. But the bulb must WANT to change. |
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