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GUEST,Abe L. 27 Apr 00 - 12:14 PM
JedMarum 27 Apr 00 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,Abe L. 27 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM
Whistle Stop 27 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM
JedMarum 27 Apr 00 - 12:41 PM
Dale Rose 27 Apr 00 - 12:51 PM
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Wesley S 27 Apr 00 - 12:56 PM
katlaughing 27 Apr 00 - 12:58 PM
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SINSULL 27 Apr 00 - 01:12 PM
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Lonesome EJ 27 Apr 00 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Kelida 27 Apr 00 - 01:41 PM
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McGrath of Harlow 27 Apr 00 - 05:15 PM
Greg F. 27 Apr 00 - 05:29 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Apr 00 - 05:36 PM
Rick Fielding 27 Apr 00 - 05:37 PM
Jacob B 27 Apr 00 - 06:04 PM
Bert 27 Apr 00 - 06:09 PM
Banjer 27 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM
DougR 27 Apr 00 - 07:51 PM
GUEST,Allen A. 27 Apr 00 - 08:42 PM
DougR 27 Apr 00 - 09:11 PM
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MarkS 27 Apr 00 - 09:54 PM
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Kelida 27 Apr 00 - 11:26 PM
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Bat Goddess 28 Apr 00 - 07:57 AM
GUEST,Terry B. 28 Apr 00 - 08:26 AM
JedMarum 28 Apr 00 - 08:37 AM
GUEST,Terry B. 28 Apr 00 - 09:03 AM
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Bert 28 Apr 00 - 11:32 AM
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Bert 28 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM
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Subject: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Abe L.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:14 PM

There was a time when I was able to respect some Republicans- though I d1dn't agree with them most of the time, they seemed intelligent, their arguements well thought out(even if wrong-headed) and they were mostly logical.

Then, beginning about the time of Ron Reagan(our first senile President-in-Office) Republicans really began to get laughably stupid! Laughable, that is, except for the very real damage they did, and continue to do, to the country. A lot of them still think "Reaganomics" worked!!? And now, "Smirk" Bush accuses the Clinton/GoreAdmin. of being "the most partisan in the history of the united states!

Is He: 1. A moron? or 2. Simply a liar?

Comments on the cause of this universal Republican dumbing-down appreciated!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:27 PM

Abe - you are obviously an ignorant bigot. What sort of intelligent conversation is possible on the matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Abe L.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM

"What sort of intelligent conversation is possible"

You're making my point for me, Jed- you wouldn't be a Republican, would you? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM

Abe, I don't know why you list those options as mutually exclusive. Can't GWB be both a moron AND a liar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:41 PM

Abe - truth be told; I am not a Republican but I am tired of seeing the so called "open minded" continue to spew venom over those who have differing points-of-view.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Dale Rose
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:51 PM

I don't usually post to such threads, but here I am compelled to speak. Discussing such topics, whether about brain dead Republicans, moronic Democrats, stupid ass Liberals, whatever, can serve no good purpose except to divide people who should be looking for ways to unite instead. To deliberately start out to pick a fight is just not what we should be here for. If we want to argue, let's argue as to whether you ought to use an electric bass in bluegrass music. At least it would make more sense. (intentionally silly example)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:54 PM

Dale - I agree, there should be no electric bass in bluegrass! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:56 PM

I have to agree with Jed - I'm not sure what the point is here. Do you expect the Rebublicans to come around to your way of thinking by calling them brain dead even if they are? You'll get more flies with honey than vinegar. I don't fall into the "music threads only" group but I'm not sure why you want to ask the question here. And for the record I'm quite liberal. We tend in this country to concentrate way too much on our differences rater than our commen goals - in my liberal opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 12:58 PM

Oh, man! Ya mean we shouldn't stick the bass player's finger in that socket!??? An', here I thought that heavy thump, thump was all the rage AND a way to get the kids to turn out for good music...just like the bass boosters they all have in their cars, driving around causing minor earthquakes in the pavement! Sheesh, I learn sumthin' new here everyday!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:08 PM

Dale and Jed - Y'all must be braindead !#&*@$%! if you don't already know that when you use an electric bass it's called NEWGRASS not bluegrass. Don't go republican on us. At least now we have something musical to argue about. Even the commie pinkos can join in on this one. Yahoo Boy Howdy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:12 PM

Electric Blue Grass? I am still recovering from electric Dylan. Sounds like a Communist plot to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:15 PM

Well at least it isn't NEWTgrASS!!!

Hey! Who ya callin' pinko!!???Huh!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:28 PM

Jesse Helms is the only truly brain-dead Republican I can think of. Most of the rest are just pretending. As far as Democrats go, I think Al Gore's brain may be alive, but I'm not sure about the rest of him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Kelida
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:41 PM

Well, this is interesting. Someone calling a republican stupid? No offense but everyone in both major parties seem to be lacking intelligence these days. I'll be 18 just in time for this election, and I don't really know who I'll vote for. Personally I lean more towards the libertarian viewpoint on personal freedom, but am a bit skeptical about their economic ideas. In any case, why does it matter? You have to vote for someone... It just happens to be between TWO bad choices.

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 01:44 PM

LeeJ!! I am shocked that you said only Helms...that Hatched, Orin certainly speaks without a brain ergo dead brain, eh?**BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:15 PM

The only thing on Strom Thurmond that seems to be alive is his pecker which is surprising ...

"just talk into the machine...."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,JenEllen
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:18 PM

OH! NOW I get it!! So that GrooveGrass album is just a cheap Republican plot to help Strom Thurmond score with the babes???? How could I have been so dense.....;) ~Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:24 PM

well, I believe you'll find that neither Strom nor Jesse would agree to an electric bass in their bluegrass band ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:27 PM

Strom don't holt with nothin' 'lectrical......

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:27 PM

bye the way Kelida, that link didn;t work, but I think you meant to point it here. Looks like a god site, but I just read the front page.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,JenEllen
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:28 PM

horrible mental image tho, isn't it? Strom and the Orange Blossom Special?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:33 PM

LOL - or Jesse and Rocky Top?

{shiver}


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 02:34 PM

Aw GEEZIZ JE........I just got a cold chill and blew lunch at the same time. MMmmmm, may have crapped myself too. That's OK though, Strom probably wears diapers too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Kelida
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 03:16 PM

Thanx Jed. That is where I meant to point it. I don't know why it didn't work. . . It's really very informative, no bashing of other parties, nice political site.

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: BlueJay
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 03:25 PM

You know, I graduated nursing school on the day that Nixon died. My only useful comment that day was, "Once Reagan goes, my life will be complete".


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 03:50 PM

blue jay - i save that sort of hatred for more evil villians! Nixon was/is easy to dislike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: BlueJay
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 04:05 PM

Jed- I thought it was kind of funny. Actually, I kind of liked Nixon. He was pretty much a liberal by todays standards, not too far off from Clinton in some ways! But I still find it easy to detest the Reagan years. He probably has more sense now than when he was President. I'm not trying to be cruel, but his followers, such as Ginrich the newt, have aptly illustrated to me the hippocracy of the Republican party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: wildlone
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 04:40 PM

Here in the UK we have more than two parties to vote for
so during elections some places can have voting papers that are mesured in feet.
But remember whoever gets in the front office the people out back are still the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bert
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:02 PM

Regarding GWB, we've had 'Read My Lips', we've had 'Silverado'. I can't imagine why anyone with a LIVE brain would want to try for three out of three.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:15 PM

The newt has a different political resonance back here in England, thanks to Newt Labour and Ken Livingstone (who breeds them as a hobby).

Can't see how people can get so worked up about a label - seems to me that both the Republican and the Democrat parties range all the way from moderate, if slightly right of centre, to total raving nutcases. (There's lots of TRN's over here too - in case anyone charges me with America bashing...)

Remember, "Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in". (And "If voting really changed anything, they'd abolish it" - a slogan used by Ken Liviongstone for a book he wrote, after Thatcher abolished the Greater London Council for having the wrong politics.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:29 PM

I just don't think its fair nominating Jesse(how 'bout them factory hog farms!)Helms as the only one truly brain dead- perhaps he's 'first among equals'- hard to choose with a whole host folks like Trent Lott, Tom DeLay & David Duke around...
BR> Shame we don't have the equivalent of "Red Ken" this side of the pond, McGrath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:36 PM

You do, and better. You just don't seem to vote for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 05:37 PM

People, People, PEOPLE!! We gots to stop arguin' here. Why can't we all just get along. MUSIC WILL SAVE US IN THIS THREAD! Here's my bipartisan band (being alive is NOT a criterion)(Nor is being "brain dead" a detriment)

PIANO: Dick Nixon, Harry Truman.

DRUMS: Lou Farakhan (if you don't believe me check it out)

SAX: Bubba Clinton

FIDDLE: Robert Byrd, Roy Acuff

GUITAR: Thomas Jefferson, Jimmie Davis

VOCALS: Bess Truman, Dick Nixon.

Because I'm just a stupid Canadian I can't remember anymore, so please help. You have to admit it's better than the first post.

Rick (who thinks that both parties have lots of brain death)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Jacob B
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 06:04 PM

You have to admit that the Reagan administration was the inspiration for some great songs. "Government on Horseback Again", "The Man With the Hired Face", "Take a Walk on the Supply Side" - they don't write songs like that anymore.

And I hope they never have to again!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bert
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 06:09 PM

Aw! we're just having fun Rick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Banjer
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 07:05 PM

Rick thinks that 'both parties have lots of brain death'.. This is graciously giving too much credit by assuming that politicians (on both sides) have brains to die...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 07:51 PM

Don't take a lot of brains to see this thread's no place for me.

DougR (A Republican)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Allen A.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 08:42 PM

Yet, you felt compelled to post?

Refresh:

Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Abe L.
Date: 27-Apr-00 - 12:35 PM

"What sort of intelligent conversation is possible"

You're making my point for me, Jed- you wouldn't be a Republican, would you? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:11 PM

Yep! Why not Guest Allen A? I'm a member.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: bbelle
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:25 PM

For a group who eschews generalizations, you've certainly mastered it in this thread. Oh, and before one of the village idiots responds, I'm not Republican ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: MarkS
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:54 PM

There is only one common factor to all the past elections in my voting age life. Every election was on a Tuesday, and each time, on the following Wednesday, I had to get out of bed and go to work.
Really - What is the difference?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,GRNJ
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:06 PM

Having been a life member of the Republican Party (yes, a real dues-paying member) I will explain: Ordinary Republicans, like me and the ones you see on the street every day, are actually fairly intelligent and level-headed. Also, we're a lot more "liberal" than you might think, i.e., we don't have a monolithically right-wing opinion on every subject. We see ourselves as differing from Democrats mainly in the conservative-liberal thing; we believe that we believe in traditional, tested American values and principles, while we see the liberal agenda as tending toward a "benevolent totalitarianism" that is not American. Still, we tend to believe that our differences can be worked out with a little common sense and logic, if no one blows off into rhetoric.

The reason we look so dumb is that our Republican leaders lately have been so dumb. We've been electing them, under some protest, because that's who the party has been putting up there, and they're at least better, to our mind, than the opposition, i.e., they generally support our beliefs. It's frustrating that they don't get our message across, and that a few of these dim bulbs have let us get stereotyped as a bunch of right-wing Christian killjoy fanatics who are obsessed with the president's sex habits.

Thank God we win in the character department. Maybe Ronnie Regan used to forget his keys a lot, but his personal principles and his belief in the American system were unimpeachable. The same can be said, pretty much, for Bob Dole and all the Bushes, and even jerks like Henry Hyde.

With luck, the Democrats will keep putting up people like Gore and the Clintons long enough for us to get our act together again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Abe L.
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:29 PM

I started this thread only partly tongue in cheek & its good to know that folks like you are still out there, GRNJ- just wish you'd speak up a bit & have the "dim bulbs" relegated to the obscurity they deserve-

Best Regards-


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: rangeroger
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:34 PM

I've always enjoyed Utah Phillips slant on the subject: A Republican is like a refrigerator.Open the door,the light goes on. Close the door, the light goes off.They're programmed to do what they're told. Being a Democrat is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I've got a 1962 45 single by the Spotnicks of Orange Blossom Special done with all electric instruments.Absolutely kicks butt.
rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JamesJim
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:47 PM

Guest-Abe, please go to another forum. We're about unity and civility here and this is a folk music forum. Sure, music has played and will continue to play a huge role in politics. If you'd like to approach this from that angle, start another thread and I'm sure you will get meaningful response. Otherwise, you set yourself up as a prime example of what you term, "dumbing down."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 11:08 PM

Hey, Ronald Reagan DID give the military a big pay raise, and in our family, that meant something...we have always held Reagan in high regard in our house, even if he did forget stuff.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Kelida
Date: 27 Apr 00 - 11:26 PM

Personally, I think that to be a politician, you have to win the support of the people, no matter where you are. Since people in general are not very intelligent when in groups (no offense, since the Mudcat is like a group, and everyone here seems intelligent to me), it stands to reason that they would be attracted to other people that lack intelligence. This led to so-called democracy. So-called because less than half of the eligible voter in America are registered, and less than half of the registered voters actually vote--not exactly a full democracy. The American government has inspired a lot of apathy in people, and the people who do vote are either people who really care and want to make things better for everyone, or selfish people who are determined to get their own opinions shoved down everyone elses' throats come hell or high water. On the other hand, those who don't vote have no right to complain--if you study up on the issues and people ahead of time, it only takes a few minutes to do. Also--if you don't like the Republican or Democratic candidates, DON'T VOTE FOR 'EM!! There are dozens of other parties out there that you might agree with, and look on the bright side: even if your candidate doesn't win, every vote that doesn't go for Bush or Gore goes against them. No vote is ever wasted. . .

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: The Beanster
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:00 AM

Thanks for that posting, GRNJ. You made me feel a little better about Republicans. Like Abe L., I too, used to respect the opinions of Republicans, even though I disagreed. They seemed to have some true convictions, some strength of character, some integrity. But beginning in about 1991, just before Clinton's first election, I would see them on TV and listen to what they said: my eyes would bug out and my mouth would pop open. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It scared the crap outta me because it became painfully obvious to me that we were not dealing with rational minds. It was as if the party became so desperate, any route to victory would suffice--they would try ANY tactic--even jump on the Ralph Reed Neo Nazi bandwagon. I remember Bush even saying that he would do "anything" (and that's literally, a quote) to win the election. Very scary. I know that to Republicans, this sounds way over the top but that's the way I truly felt (and feel to this day) about Republicans--they're scary. So, back to my point, it's nice to hear a rational Republican voice here. I suspect that you, GRNJ, are more representative of the party than are the talking heads we see in positions of power.

As far as Reagan is concerned (and I'm sure after he dies, they'll re-run this), there is a documentary out there that aired a few times on PBS that shows him at a speaking engagement where the teleprompter konks out. The man stops dead, cannot think on his own AT ALL. He stops speaking and a look of vague panic crosses his blank face. No one knows what to do. Then Nancy, standing beside him, whispers something into his ear, trying, I suppose, to tell him what to say but a second or two after that the teleprompter is running again and he resumes speaking. Scariest thing I ever saw. This was long before the Alzheimer's issue was ever disclosed but it was no surprise when they finally announced it. The same teleprompter snafu has plagued Clinton also, but the guy is so sharp and knows what he wants to say in such detail that whenever it happens, it's undetectable--it's even happened during the State of the Union address and you KNOW, that's a loooong speech. Say what you will about Clinton, he is one brilliant guy and an amazing speaker.

And one last thing, speaking of Republicans--what is the deal with the hair, for Pete's sake? James Traficant?? (a 1966 bouffant) and Trent Lott?? Gives me the heebee jeebees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 06:59 AM

From: JamesJim

Guest-Abe, please go to another forum. We're about unity
and civility here and this is a folk music forum.


Hmmm --- I wonder -----



RE: I'm scared of Americans and Guns
From: JamesJim
20-Apr-00
Does a water gun count? I have two of em'.

Subject: RE: Folk Songs for Conservatives
From: JamesJim
Date: 13-Apr-00
I don't know what she would think, but I bet she has smoked some of it.
And I'll bet she inhaled.

Subject: RE: Folk Songs for Conservatives
From: ddw
Date: 13-Apr-00 - 12:42 AM
JamesJim — wasn't it Winston Churchill who said (paraphrasing here)
"A young man who isn't a liberal has no heart; an older man who isn't a conservative has no brain"?

Subject: RE: Folk Songs for Conservatives
From: JamesJim
Date: 13-Apr-00
Words of wisdom, ddw!

Subject: RE: BS: News of the day
From: JamesJim
Date: 26-Apr-00
No one will care what Bill Clinton did in the Oval office, much
less reflect on any part he had in the history of the universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:57 AM

First of all, never ascribe to malice that which can more likely be ascribed to stupidity -- but the corollary is that the presence of stupidity is no guarantee that malice is involved.

I'm pretty disgusted with both the Reps & Dems right now and the election process is way too long, takes too much money and doesn't give us representation.(Or even a choice, fer pete's sake) And remember, the Republicans weren't always extreme right fundamentalist sucking crypto fascists.

I'm probably an anarcho-capitalist. Or maybe I'm just advocating a return to feudalism -- I'll take my chances on being a noble.

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Terry B.
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:26 AM

Thank God we win in the character department...

I concur with the rest of your statement, GRNJ, but I'd re-think this one, what with Tricky Dick, Iran-Contra,'there are no poor people in America" Meese, the October Surprise, "Read My Lips..." & the questionable sexual/moral hanky-panky by Newt & a host of other "Grand Old Party" regulars- plus the recent venal willingness to crucify a six-year-old child for partisan political advantage...... think you've got some house cleaning to do as well as the Dems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:37 AM

let's see, GUEST,{you fill in the name} - how many times can I change my face and make the same argument. Just how stupid do you think we are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Terry B.
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:03 AM

I really don't know, Jed, being new around here- so fill me in, please: Just how stupid are you? I've just looked up some of your previous posts, and have a pretty good idea, but would value your direct input.

Or are you saying its impossible for more than one person to hold similar opinions on a subject?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,yet another Guest
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:19 AM

Jed:
CLICK HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Jon W.
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:52 AM

All I'm gonna say is, it's threads like this one that make me want to swear off Mudcat completely. I am hearby making a solemn vow to never rise to the bait again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bert
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:32 AM

Ah! Bat Goddess, return to feudalism, you may have something there. 10% to the Church and 10% to the Lord of the Manor, a couple of boon days now and then, take a chicken to the 'Wise One' when you're sick. Maybe we WOULD be better off ;-)

Bert. (can 'I' be Lord of the Manor)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Margo
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:43 AM

The spirit of the original post of this thread is very mean. I don't think it is what the mudcat is all about. I think that to promote this kind of nasty attack is to dumb down the mudcat. Margo


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: BlueJay
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:01 PM

Jed- You're Republican, I'm a Democrat. I hope we can play some music someday and get pastall this total BS. Politics don't matter much in the middle of a good song. This thread sure hasn't brought out the best in me. I apologize. BlueJay


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Kelida
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:17 PM

All politics have good and bad in them, although looking at America and at the fighting and general nastiness on this thread, feudalism sounds pretty good right now--no upward mobility crap. . .I have a few nominations for village idiot, by the way. . .Of course, I'll be the barmaid, wench, whatever. . .

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bert
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM

King Max and Lord Bert get first dibs on ALL the wenches ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: L R Mole
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:36 PM

Well, as James Bond once said (or quoted), all cats are gray in the dark.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:52 PM

I still say Republicans and Demovrats look remarkably similar to me. I'm looking from a long way away, but that can have its advantages in seeing the picyiure as a whole.

There seem to be nice Republicans and nasty epublicans, and nice Democrats and nasty Democrats. The nice Republicans are much more like the nice Democrats than they are like nasty Republicans, and the nasty Republicans are much more like the nasty Democrats than they are like the nice Republicans. And vice-versa.

Of course it may be that one party has proportionally more nasty people at the top than the other. But the basic argument should be between the nice guys and the nasty guys, rather than getting bogged down in party labels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Bert
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:04 PM

I think you've got it right there McGrath. I would like to add that the Mudcat Republicans are the NICE Republicans and the Mudcat Democrats are the NICE Democrats.

Bert. ( I still get first dibs on all the wenches though)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Mbo
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:07 PM

"All cats are grey in the dark" is actually a chapter name from "The Three Musketeers" by Dumas...wonder if that's where Ian got it from? **BG** Max said on Hearme that I was nominated for Court Jester (gets to hang out with wenches! Quiet Mario!). Either that or the Grand Vizier of Christmas!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:23 PM

Bert, it goes without saying!

McGrath, you're right, of course, and I'm not going to get into the area of proportionality. But I don't think Abe ever maintained that there were no Brain-Dead Democrats, did he? Maybe we need a "B.D.D." thread for equal time?? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:03 PM

I don't think this thread started out being all that mean-spirited. Agree or disagree with Abe about the apparent stupidity of the current crop of Republicans, I think it IS fair to say that the Republican party has been influenced more heavily in recent years by the socially-conservative elements within the party, and the party leadership reflects this trend. Abe seems to feel this is pretty stupid ("brain-dead" is just a more colorful turn of phrase), and I agree with him. At least, I think it is a stupid set of positions, whether or not the individuals espousing these positions are themselves stupid (stupid like a fox, perhaps -- a lot of people are making a good living with this kind of stupidity, following Barnum's advice). I don't consider that expression of his and my opinion to be out of bounds, just as I don't consider it to be out of bounds when someone thinks the people on MY side of the issues are advocating stupid positions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JenEllen
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:32 PM

Bit of a thread creep here, but I managed to watch the PBS biography/documentary of George Wallace they played this past week. Just wondering if anyone else saw this, and your reactions to it, so long as we are being political. I lived in the post-Wallace south for a few years, and I am interested in some of what you folks that were living it at the time might have experienced wherever you were living.
Musically....the show was awesome. Sounds perfectly supporting the feeling they were going for, but I won't say that it wasn't disturbing.
Thanks ~Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Kelida
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 03:13 PM

Lord Bert--of course you guys get first dibs. . .Anything for the king. . .

Whistle Stop--I agree that maybe the thread wasn't started in mean spirit, but I think that it was pretty obvious that it could TURN mean-spirited. Not everyone is being rude, but even when just a few are, other people chastise them even though they weren't originally involved, etc. Thus starts the verbal sparring.

Peace--Keli


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:25 PM

I've just been letting our cats in, and it's just not true that they're all grey in the dark, whatever the Three Musketeers might have thought. I reckon it's a pretty brain-dead remark - and come to think of it, that Alexandre Dumas was some kind of Republican...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:26 PM

And he was some kind of Democrat too... The plot thickens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Mbo
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:32 PM

McGrath, he was referring to a enemy spy at the siege of La Rochelle...and I believe it's an old saying.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:58 PM

John W: I agree with you. Rick started a Thread a week or so commenting on how much he liked the tenor of the Mudcat these days. I agree with Rick on most things but I think the Mudcat has changed considerably from the forum that it was when I joined about a year ago. Still good musical subject matter, but the BS Threads designed to insult or infuriate fellow Mudcatters is weighing in pretty heavily. I've give serious to thought to checking out myself.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:01 PM

"Yes, we did produce a near perfect republic, but will they keep it, or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction."

Thomas Jefferson

My own thoughts on this thread are: We appear to progress in time and technology; but with little wisdom and character. Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:10 PM

Good one Dave. De Tocqueville wrote something along the same lines about Americans: "They may finally become so engrossed in a cowardly love of immediate pleasures that their own future and that of their descendants may vanish and that they will prefer tamely to follow the course of their destiny rather than to make a sudden, energetic effort to set things right."
I know a number of registered Republicans and they , by and large, are in no way morally superior to registered Democrats that I know. That smug attitude is what puts me off most about the Republican party. Also I'm not too crazy about the meaness that seems to be pervasive in their most vocal leaders like Jesse, DeLay, Lott, Newt (I pray there's no Nixonian resurrection in his future)Dick Army and Orrin Hatch. Although the difference between the two parties becomes more neglible all the time, as more and more they feed from the same trough (i.e. the big multi-nationals) at least the Dems seem to still favor a progressive tax rate, pro-choice and a willingess to fight against the sell-out of the environment that the GOP always seems to be trying to legislate.
As for Shrub Bush, he seems, like his daddy, to be a nice man but nothing more than an amiable dunce sitting on a big mountain of money.
This of course is just my two cents. I try take everyone on an individual basis regardless of their politics.
Oh yeah, another reprensible aspect of the GOP is the way they went about reforming the welfare system in the USA, which admittedly needed it, by setting people against one another along racial lines. Remember Reagan's stump anecdote about the inner city lady who went to pick up her welfare check in a new Caddilac?
How do you spell potato?

Frankie


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: GUEST,Frankie
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:27 PM

How do I spell reprehensible?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:38 PM

JenEllen, I saw it. Guess you were wondering if everyone else here was busy watching Elian Gonzales doing a gueat shot on "Flipper". Thought it was very well done..excellent music. 'Fraid it didn't make him any more likeable to me..even with the horrible shooting. Truly a character for the ages though.

Doug R. I'd miss your postings here (and I probably disagree with half of them). I don't think t'will ever go back to being exclusively about folk music, but I'd hate to see people leave because they couldn't laugh at the shit-disturbers. Yah, the flamers are back with avengeance, but if you'll notice, a lot of folks are turning their threads into humour. Maybe the Cat has learned something.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:59 PM

JenEllen - I saw the series, as well. It was a remarkable film. I remember the days very very well. Like most Bostonians, I found Wallace, arrogant and repulsive, and this film put a humanizing face on the issue ... like Rick I am not sure I like the man anymore, but I do understand a bit better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: JedMarum
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:00 AM

Blue Jay - you are mistaken. I am fiercely Independent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:01 AM

Rick: While you may disagree with half, or even everything I have posted (I assume your are referring to my political belief postings), you are civil about it. Who can find fault with that? We have had some private exchanges and I don't detect that you have less respect for me based on the fact that we don't agree politically, anymore than I respect you less for not sharing my beliefs.

Those who declare themselves to be Liberals but cannot respect other people's right to share a political philosophy different from theirs are not, in my opinon, Liberal.

I haven't noticed that the few Republicans that have posted recently to any of these inflamatory threads have tried to foist their views on anyone else. Nor have I read of their bashing people because they don't agree with them. If I am mistaken and have missed such threads, I'd certainly like to read them if someone would point them out to me.

Peace.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Songster Bob
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:26 AM

The problem as I see it is that too many folks take "freedom of opinion" as a mandate to have one.

On everything, whether they know the facts or not.

Bob Clayton

Also: Political parties are changing, with the middle ground being ground out of them. The Republicans seem bent on making ideology the be-all of the party, not just its core. Where would Nelson Rockefeller be today? Lots of those folks are probably more ashamed of him being a Republican than Dems are of Clinton!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Banjer
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:52 AM

It appears to me that if 'Ignorance Is Bliss', we must have some (probably most) of the happiest politicians in the world right here in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:00 PM

Well, Banjer, let's vote those rascals out of office! :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:37 PM

The impression I get is that what's happened in the States is the same thing that's going on in England.

In what is effectively a two party system, the left wing party moves into the centre, and the right wing party moves further over to the right. The left wing party moves a little bit further to the right, and the people running the right wing party move even further right, and what was once seen as fringe right wing extremism becomes mainstream.

Presumably it could all go into reverse at some point.

The other thing that could happen is that the rightwing party could do some fancy foot work, and pop up on the left of the "leftwing" party. There'd certainly be ample room for that, in both countries. Well, some of the attitudes and assumptions that the Conservatives had back in the days of Harold Macmillian (eg about tax levels) would now be seen as lunatic leftwing by the current Labour party. And you could be well to the left of Clinton and still count as pretty conservative in a lot of countries.

I think there's a lot to be said for taking the field-sport tradition into politics, and changing ends at half time. Or maybe it could be run on the lines of a barn dance, where you keep on changing partners. "Honour your partners - join hands and make a left hand star...now a right hand star..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:58 PM

When Americans wake up and realize that Senators and representatives don't pay into Social Security at all but do, still, recieve a pension (which they gave themselves) that equals their entire pay check, well, maybe then it might become clear why none of the elected morons are going to do anything about fixing Social Security. They should all be on regular/normal Social Security which is less than $1,000.00 a month on average for all recipients. Then they'd fix it soon enough, I'm pretty damn sure.

If this be thread creep, so be it.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 04:14 PM

Good point, Art. And how about a cap on income for those who are receiving Social Security, while we're at it? Why should a retired Air Force Colonel, who is receiving 50K or more in retirement salary from the US Govt Still feel that he is entitled to his $1000 a month in Social Security? The Social Security support was designed as a means of assisting those who had little or no other income in their old age, not as an entitlement to everyone of retirement age. Take that Air Force Colonel's 1000 a month and redistribute it to those who need it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM

Naah, klet him keep the $1000, take the 5)K, share that out, and let him keep his share..(He's been getting enough in his pay packet to have built up a nice little nest-egg.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: DougR
Date: 29 Apr 00 - 08:20 PM

Sorry, Lonesome EJ, beg to disagree. The Social Security program was established to provide payment to everyone who participates. Even Bill Gates will get SS. I wasn't aware the military participated in SS, though. Civil Servants don't unless the law has changed since I served a brief stint as an employee of the U.S. Government.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans
From: Banjer
Date: 30 Apr 00 - 06:33 AM

"Well, Banjer, let's vote those rascals out of office! :>)"

The one problem with that theory, Doug, is for every one we have in office now there are two waiting to take his/her place! It seems to only get worse! My theory is that politicians, like royalty, are all inbred and until we can find some new blood it's only going to continue in the current tailspin we are in.


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