Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song (Stan Wakefield) From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Sep 16 - 09:13 PM Sharyn, please contact the Bush Music Club via the Feedback/Enquiry page for information about the copyright of Stan's songs. |
Subject: RE: The Rabbiter's Song (Stan Wakefield) From: GUEST,Sharyn Date: 10 Sep 16 - 07:36 PM Hi,am writing a book about the history of the rabbit-can I include this song in my book-I suppose I am asking about copyright laws-any info would be great |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST Date: 19 May 07 - 03:19 PM Whoooops! I thought I was at the other Rabbiters Song thread. My post here, I see now, is 7 years after Sorchas post. Only at Mudcat!! Art |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 19 May 07 - 03:17 PM ...and Elkin Thomas, under another name for some reason, wrote one of the songs I loved to listen to when gigging on the road for close to 40 years. That song is "JOLIE GIRL" as recorded by Bill Staines on his first Folk Legacy LP----now a CD. (see www.folklegacy.com) Just some thread creep---but the song sure brings back a whole other time for me... Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Sorcha Date: 01 Aug 00 - 12:14 AM I am again amazed at the MudCat's resources, and don't Mea Culpa yourself too badly, Bob. I posted a whole bunch of abc formatted tunes that were wrong. And.......Elkin Thomas (US) wrote a song called The Rabbit Song that has nothing to do with trapping, killing, skinning, etc. rabbits, or even rabbits in general. It is just a song that a particular wild bunny seemed to like a lot, and came up to the front porch to hear every time Elikn played it so he called it the "Rabbit Song". |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Bob Bolton Date: 31 Jul 00 - 11:57 PM G'day Mark, Lepus Rex means "King Hare", although the mediæval uses of the word often included rabbits. (Incidentally, there is an argument that "puss" comes from a mistaken backformation of lepus as le pus(s). (And there are interesting sub rosa associations between another old English word for rabbit: coney (pronounced 'cunny', to rhyme with 'honey') and later meanings of 'pussy' cf current thread "Mrs Slocum's Pussy". Alan, of course, offered an apology from our contemporary rabbit king of the cartoons. Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Latin means Samba, Son Clave, and Surdos to Date: 31 Jul 00 - 10:03 PM OK. I did latin (latin rhythms). x..x..x.|..x.x...|I too can write in code... but, at risk of sounding like an ignorant drummer who knows quite a lot... What does Lepus Rex mean ? And what link does it have to apologies? Rhythmically yours. Mark Campbell. PS: very few drummers are ignorant! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Jul 00 - 11:50 PM G'day Mark, Ah yes, that's the problem with the current decline in classics education! I take your schooling skipped Latin? Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Mark Date: 25 Jul 00 - 07:33 PM No luck on the tune Roscrea Cows at the moment. I did learn a lot about Roscrea, however. I did find out that the Roscrea Cows song is about cows at an abbattoir. I suppose songs about trapped rabbits and cows at an abbatoir are gruesome. Thats agriculture for you. And thats the history of the last 10000 years. Apologise to who for what?
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Alan of Australia Date: 15 Jul 00 - 09:10 AM Sowwy! That's all folks! |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Lepus Rex Date: 15 Jul 00 - 01:15 AM I find this thread highly offensive, and demand an apology! ;) ---Lepus Rex |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Alan of Australia Date: 14 Jul 00 - 11:53 PM G'day, Thanks to Bob the tunes in this thread can be found in the m-s section of the Mudcat MIDI site.
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Mark that member who does not remember. Date: 10 Jul 00 - 12:36 AM Thanks One and all for your contributions to my request for info on songs about rabbiters. Sorry about the delay. I have not looked at a computer since Friday July 7. And just a few notes to maybe end-off this thread. My father has remarked on the phenomenal memory my grandfather (Mick) had for the location of rabbit traps. Mick however was not a highly literate man. Perhaps memory and literacy have an inversely proportional relationship. ie: The shopping list must be remembered instead of written down. In the early part of last century literacy was optional. At least in the small bush towns. Maybe its back to future in todays AV world with text to speech and voice recognition computer programmes?
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Subject: Tune Add: THE RABBITTER SONG (Stan Wakefield)^^ From: Bob Bolton Date: 08 Jul 00 - 04:22 AM Rabbiter's Song - correct tuneAAARGH! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa maxima ... (well, at least I'm confessing errors from that other old religion: MS DOS). I posted the WRONG MIDI file for THE RABBITTER SONG - misreading the short names in old DOS. This is the correct one for Stan Wakefield's song (given as two stanzas with chorus to show the different, final, chorus). Regards, Bob Bolton
MIDI file: rabitrx2.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1 ^^ (with chords) X:1 T: M:4/4 Q:1/4=128 K:C "C"G8|"C"C3/2C/2C3/2E/2"C"G3/2E/2C3/2C/2|"Am"A3/4A/2A3/4c3/2A/2"C"G3G| "Dm"A3/2A/2D3/4E/2F3/4"C"G3/2G/2C3/2E/2|"F"F3/2D/2B,3/2G,/2"C"C3/2E/2G3/4G/2G3/4| "Dm"A3/2A/2D3/4E/2F3/4"C"G3/2G/2C3/4D/2E3/4|"F"F3/2D/2B,3/4B,/2G,3/4"Am"C3A/2A/2| "Am"A3/2c/2c3/4B/2A3/4"Em"G3/2B/2B3/4A/2G3/4|"F"F3/2A/2G3/2F/2"Am"E3A| "Am"A3/2c/2B3/2A/2"Em"G3/4G/2B3/4A3/2G/2|"F"F3/2A/2G3/2F/2"C"E7/2G/2| "C"C3/2C/2C3/2E/2"C"G3/2E/2C3/2C/2|"Am"A3/4A/2A3/4c3/2A/2"C"G3G| "Dm"A3/2A/2D3/4E/2F3/4"C"G3/2G/2C3/2E/2|"F"F3/2D/2B,3/2G,/2"C"C3/2E/2G3/4G/2G3/4| "Dm"A3/2A/2D3/4E/2F3/4"C"G3/2G/2C3/4D/2E3/4|"F"F3/2D/2B,3/4B,/2G,3/4"Am"C3A/2A/2| "Am"A3/2c/2c3/4B/2A3/4"Em"G3/2B/2B3/4A/2G3/4|"F"F3/2A/2G3/2F/2"Am"E3A| "Am"A3/2c/2B3/2A/2"C"G3/2G/2G3/4G/2G3/4|A3/2A/2B3/2B/2c13/4|| (chords) C | / / | Am C | Dm C | F C | Dm C | F Am | / Em | F Am | / Em | F C | / / | Am C | Dm C | F C | Dm C | F Am | / Em | F Am | / C | || |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: MMario Date: 07 Jul 00 - 09:35 AM tho the text is greatly appreciated by those of us on slow connections for whom the midi's take too long to download... |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: alison Date: 07 Jul 00 - 09:11 AM Bob, can you send the MIDIs to Alan as well and he'll post them on the Mudcat MIDIs site.. saves people the trouble of translating the MIDItxt files.... slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Jul 00 - 06:42 AM G'day Mark, I should have dug this out and mentioned it in respect of my posting of the second song The Rabbit-Trapper . Knowing that you are very interested in the Celtic roots of Australian folksongs, I note that Thérèse Radic says that Basil Cosgrove's tune (at least before Dave de Hugard 'folk-processed' it), which has also been found in Australia as a tune to Paterson's Travelling Down the Castlreagh, is the County Clare song The Rosscrea Cowsn found on Topic recording 22 TS 25 The Russell Family of Doolin, County Clare. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Jul 00 - 05:58 AM ARRRRGH! That is not Barritoh! ... My right hand must have overtaken my left, while I was trying to get this converted, scanned and posted before ME 5.0 timed out on me (Yes I know you should be able to set that ... but I've set it in two places already and it still times aout, so there must be a secret, Bill Gates, place just to keep us all on our toes ... and keep the ISPs and T elcoms rich!). Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE RABBIT-TRAPPER^^ From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Jul 00 - 05:53 AM G'day again Mark, You will note that the last chorus is different (and seems to have been put into lines differently by the scanner!). I guess that, if your grandfather was a rabbit trapper, you would appreciate this song - from the viewpoint of the typical hard-working country rabbit trapper. It was collected in 1973 from Basil Cosgrove of Armidale, NSW, Australia, (also the source of some of my favourite schottisches and polkas) by Wendy Lowenstein and Dave de Hugard. I have Basil's original tune in Thérèse Radic's book Songs of Australian Working Life, Greenhouse Publications, Victoria, 1989, but I prefer the tune as it developed in Dave de Hugard's singing.
THE RABBIT-TRAPPER
MIDI file: RABBIT-T.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards,
Bob Bolton |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE RABBITER (Stan Wakefield)^^ From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Jul 00 - 05:25 AM G'day again Mark, Sorry about no words! I realise you only asked about the tune but I intended posting the words as well (indeed, I thought I had, but I was showing Patricia around the Mudcart site and I either forgot to post words or posted the music over them. BTW: The name Rabbitohs for Souths mostly referred to eating them, not catching them and, of course, the bloke that sold them was a Barritoh.
THE RABBITER Regards, Bob Bolton ^^
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: Bruce from Bathurst Date: 07 Jul 00 - 03:47 AM I think you're right on the money there, Mark. The rabbitoh was a familiar figure selling his product around the streets of South Sydney during the Depression and probably twenty odd years earlier, when the South Sydney Rugby League Club first kicked off. Back then it was a case of working class cuisine for a working class part of town. Bruce (And nobody will ever convince me that rabbit tastes like chicken) |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Woops - no words Date: 07 Jul 00 - 12:04 AM Hi all, Sorry about the blank post. Do you have the words sequestered away somewhere Bob. Alison and I will be going to the National Library on the Weekend... anything you would like us to get?
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Those all important Words? Date: 07 Jul 00 - 12:03 AM |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST, Mark Campbell Date: 06 Jul 00 - 11:41 PM Hi Bob and all those interested in Rabbits, music, Government policies and making a living. I am just wondering whether The Rabbitos, the recently and most rudely deposed Australian Rubgy League Football team (first grade at least), was named after those city slicking rabbit trappers of the 1930's? Any ideas.
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefiel From: GUEST,Mark Campbell Date: 06 Jul 00 - 11:25 PM Thanks Bob for the info on Stan and the Rabbiters Song. My grandfather was a rabbit trapper and made his living that way. My father has many stories of trapping hundreds of rabbits, remembering where the traps were, and skinning them into the early hours of the mornings. Not to mention carrying the skins, and many carcasses home on the sulky (with all the dogs). I figured the Rabbit trapper's song would be very appropriate to add to Tursacan's repertoire. Thanks again Bob you are a mine of information and knowledge. |
Subject: Tune Add: THE RABBITER'S SONG (Stan Wakefield) From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jul 00 - 11:06 PM G'day Mark, Stan (died early 1960s) wrote The Rabbiter's Song in the 1930s. It refers to the Government attempt to persuade the unemployed to go out and make money from trapping rabbits, instead of applying for the dole (which required working for the Government anyway - usually on public works programmes ... sometimes of utility and value). Of course, when a whole mob of unemployed city slickers started sending off rabbit skins to the Sydney or Melbourne markets ... the price dropped (the law of supply and demand) as well as a number of the skins arriving rotten due to poor preparation. Anyway, there wasn't much money to be made in the game and Stan, being the good Left-winger that he was, wrote a beaut song and, being the competent musician that he was, wrote his own tune to it. I remember being involved in some correspondence with the late Alan Scott when I had published a variant (from West Australia) in Mulga Wire and this varied in a couple of notes ... but I loved the chording. Alan was indignant a said that "if Stan had wanted it sung that way, he would have wrote it that way!". Anyway, I have just checked my MusicTime files and I have the originaL version there, so I have saved it to MIDI and converted to Alan's MIDIText format: Regards, Bob Bolton Click to playABC format: X:1
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Subject: The Rabbiter's Song - Stan Wakefield From: GUEST,Mark Campbell Date: 06 Jul 00 - 10:17 PM Hi all, Mark Campbell here. . . I am gathering info about a song called The Rabbiter's Song Questions: 1)Was it written by Stan Wakefield in the 50's. 2) Is it based on an Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English tune (which one)? 3)Does anyone have the words and midi info for it? |
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