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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ceitagh Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:37 PM Doug, yes, do pick up a Terry Pratchett novel, I highly recommend it. Great reading, absolutely hilarious. I don't expect it to change your political views tho, it hasn't mine (B/C, if i were american, which i'm not, ;-)) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:05 PM Ted Nugent? Ha! Ha! ROTFL! What a great idea! The Nuge for president, and Ozzie for Secretary of State. That'd scare the shit out of those Islamic fundamentalists and commie pinkos (the latter an endangered species, alas!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: BigDaddy Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:03 PM DougR, No argument on that one. I'm not enthused about any of our choices. And speaking of "Wag the Dog," I'm from Michigan where we had our own version of "Old Shoe" complete with parades and accompanying media idiocy. This poor joker was in the wrong place at the wrong time, was captured and somehow this made him a "hero." Anyway, I'm glad we can at least vote for our choices even though I feel the choices are poor ones. For a nation that gave birth to the likes of Lincoln and a number of others who had at least moments of greatness, I just wish we could do better. Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 11 Aug 00 - 05:34 PM BigDaddy: I'm sure you recall who the last president was that ordered missles in to destroy a pharmaceutical plant in a far of land, don't you? 'Twas not a Republican president. Shades of "Wag the Dog." DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JR Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:20 PM You guys are just for Gore cuz he gave you the internet & thus, The Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM Thomas and Carol.... "I guess the old saying is true: just dig a hole that's big enough, and everyone will want to jump into it." Reebus Kaneebis or
"oh,that son of mine!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:02 PM Why can't we get somebody like Bartlet on "West Wing"? Or dig up Teddy Roosevelt? Actually, I think Ted Nugent would make a pretty cool President..... :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: BigDaddy Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:43 PM Gotta go with Gore/Lieberman. It seems every time we elect a Republican, we find an excuse to make war on civilians in "third world" countries (e.g. Nicaragua, El Salvador) or befriend dictators like the Shah of Iran, Marcos in the Phillipines, etc. It seems the Democrats do less harm environmentally as well (Remember the James Watt years?). I'd vote for Nader if I didn't fear it would contribute to a Bush victory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: mactheturk Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:51 AM John Prine/Ani DiFranco....all the way in 2000!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:48 AM A vote for Nader would be a vote for Nader. Nader would be a great president. Why is this so hard to understand? Meanwhile, "Don't eat with your hands,... use your entrenching tool!" "Oh blinding light, Oh light that blinds, I cannot see, watch out for me!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:08 AM Oops, Doug, that info might help, eh? Parent's Music Resource Center. It was (is?) the group who brought about the "warning labels" on recordings with "harmful" content, wanted to keep albums with "lewd" cover artwork under the counter like porn, etc. She's tried to distance herself from her eeeevil past since then, though. But she's the ANTICHRIST! ;) Cthulhu, eh? Mayyybeee... At least he isn't married to the ANTICHRIST. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: ol'troll Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:01 AM VOTE CTHULU! Why settle for the lesser of two evils. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:49 PM Scuse, Lepus Rex, what is PMRC? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lepus Rex Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:47 PM Tipper Gore is an evil fascist cow. I wouldn't vote for anyone who would stay married to the former leader of the dreaded PMRC. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:42 PM Tone d'F: The Terry Pratchet book is on the top of my shopping list, though I have to confess that I have no earthly idea who Terry Pratchart is, and why I should be looking to him for leadership! The fact that you recommend him is reason enough for me to look into it. Ok, Bill D, how DOES one negotaite with China? I'm sure everybody would like to know that! Oh, and Tone d'F, wanna applaud the double digit (I mean real double digit inflation during the Carter administration?) I doubt it. And Mary Garvey, have you know idea what you are saying when you say with Tipper Gore, we will have the best first lady in hitory? Do you not know what will befall you for thinking such blasphemous thoughts when we have such stellar ladies as Hillery Clinton as our first lady? And what about Eleanor Roosevelt? You gonna just sweep her into the trashbin of history? Shame on you! (Said with a very stiff tongue in the cheek) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:22 PM thosp, you are one funny character. Ha Ha. The only reason I stuck in that "minimum requirements" proviso was to prevent people from attacking my public office election chance lottery idea by saying things like..."Oh, sure, Little Hawk, and we get a 7 year old kid for president!" The weird thing is, I think you're right...they have been picking people with the "minimum" requirements! How ironical. Remember Bill and Opus's campaign slogan: THIS TIME WHY NOT THE WORST? I thought that was great. This time why not Hollywood Hulk Hogan? He's getting a little old for the wrestling game anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: mg Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:21 PM I think if Gore wins we'll have the best first lady in history...and probably not a bad second lady either although I know nothing about her...imagine having a choice of honest decent women as first ladies..which I hasten to add in my lifetime we have almost always had....mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Bill D Date: 10 Aug 00 - 10:27 PM Libertarians have VERY little how things would actually work if they DID win...and Nader has NO idea how to negotiate with China...*sigh*...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Tone d' F Date: 10 Aug 00 - 10:14 PM Doug Chill out, get a Terry Pratchet Book read it and put the world to right It will put things in perspective The people who dont want to run are the people for the job Where is the logic on spending X million $ to get a job that pays thousands Giv you one up on the brits at least one of youre presidents was a peanut farmer and able to pay the civil servants
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: bbc Date: 10 Aug 00 - 10:05 PM Bush--S (actually, *any* Republican) bbc P.S.--Hi, Doug! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:55 PM Guest Luther, you win. I think I'll go climb a tree, take off my shoes, and learn to play the flute. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:52 PM Well, Tone d'F, don't write off Bush yet. I don't include the VP candidate in my message, because we will be electing a President, not a Vice President. The VP will obviously be elected along with the president. You may have noted in the past day or two the American press has centered most of their attention on the potential Vice President, not the potential President. The reason: the potential Vice President is the best hope the Democrats have. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Tone d' F Date: 10 Aug 00 - 07:29 PM As you colonials don't have a choice of the like of the Monster Raving Looney Party (Screeming Lord Such Deceased) it looks like you're going to be stuck with G / L Our Vote would be for Homer Simpson and his running mate Barney Brewsters Millions said it all Dont Vote for Them .... It only encourages them |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: thosp Date: 10 Aug 00 - 07:17 PM Little Hawk ! again you surprise me ----- of course ALL our politicians have the basic minimum requirements -- i defy you to find one with more than the basic minimum requirements ---- actually i think it's required to have minimum requirements --although i think in many cases its been waived ---- peace (Y) thosp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lonesome EJ Date: 10 Aug 00 - 03:41 PM Sorry, I don't see Nader as the kind of charismatic individual that would be needed to give a third-party the chance to win. Just as a vote for Perot has been a vote for Clinton, a vote for Nader will be a vote for Bush. I'd like to see him debate, but I expect Bush will demand it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 10 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM Guest: He couldn't. Now way to find you. You haven't a name! Kim: I think the Libertarians make some excellent points myself. Not in agreement with all of them though. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Luther Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:27 PM feh! Porgy is up to his neck in big oil. "Groat cakes!!! Heavy on the 30-weight, Ma!" Ring a bell? CarolC, if you want to turn this country into a commie cesspool of groat cakes and government inflicted simulation, fine!! Just don't forget to inflate your shoes. I hope that doesn't sound too harsh, but it needed to be said. End of rant.
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:16 PM have voted Libertarian in the past...will probably vote for the candidate least likely to succeed this time around - just as a form of protest against the two most popular choices. I'd like to see just how "secret" the secret ballot really is...maybe I'll vote Worker's World Party and see if anyone (when Bush gets elected) comes knocking at my door. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM sorry Kim, sounds like the reason I vote republican. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: death by whisky Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:53 PM Will they come to Ballybunion for a round? Eh! We'll get the road resurfaced again.HA! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:39 PM Jed, I don't really know... why vote Republican if your party has a candidate? I know, I know, "no third-party candidate has a snowball's chance of winning." Well, yeah, especially if people don't vote for them...... I guess the Libertarian idea of taking personal responsibility for your own freedom is just a little too hard for a lot of folks to handle. :)But the fact is, freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, something our litigious society seems to have overlooked these last few years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Rosebrook Date: 10 Aug 00 - 10:36 AM Martin Sheen ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JedMarum Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:51 AM don't most Libertarians vote Republican? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Kim C Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:47 AM Jeez, am I the only Libertarian? :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:28 AM Yup, "None of the Above" would win, that's for sure. The public in North America would probably be better off choosing leaders from the ordinary public by chance lottery (given certain basic minimum qualifications) than they are with the present cynical system. I like that joke about the "battle of wits between 2 unarmed opponents". Ha Ha Ha |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Midchuck Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:44 AM Lox is right, IMO. There should be a "None of the Above Is Acceptable" line on every ballot. The trouble is, that line would have won every U. S. presidential election since 1960 or thereabouts. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lox Date: 10 Aug 00 - 07:58 AM Imagine if you had a
Imagine if the rule was that, if
Choice would be widened considerably, and the republicans and democrats would no longer have the control that they have now over who gets to be your president. They wouldn't dare spend so much money on campaigns, having instead to convince you that the were the right man/woman for the job by saying something with a little meaning for a change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:58 AM I just got an e-mail from Michael Moore. He is endorsing Nader. He is encouraging all supporters of Gore not to change their mind. He says Nader won't need their votes. Moore is taking the glamour of not voting, and he's encouraging the 100 million plus non voting segment of our population to vote Nader instead of not voting at all. It is well written, well researched, and quite enjoyable to read. If half of the disgruntled non voting public votes for Nader, It would be a landslide victory. It only took 40 million votes to win the last election! Consider the realities, vote this time,... Nader wins! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Rosebrook Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:08 AM Gore - S And in Oregon No on 9, AGAIN! (wishing I had kept my buttons from the first homophobic go round ballot measure #9 in '92) Rose |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:43 AM Doug R - Yes, I have a lot of faith. I believe that anything that can be imagined can made to exist, if people have enough courage and will to make it exist. Do I think this is going to happen soon? No. The political parties control the present system, and they absolutely will not let it happen, not until they have been so discredited that no one believes in them anymore. I have already reached that stage. I don't believe in them. It could be accomplished at any time, but almost certainly won't be. What I am describing is really quite similar to the kind of democracy that existed in many simple tribal peoples for thousands of years. Decisions were arrived at by cooperative consensus, rather than by dividing up into competitive groups and then enforcing the will of a temporary majority upon various minorities. That is not what I call democracy. I call it a semi-democratic form of dictatorship, with limited tenure. I'm a creative artist, not a politician. It is my job to imagine the finest thing I can and then express it as best I can. I realize it may seem unrealistic. The most idealistic things always seem unrealistic. Consider the things Jesus taught. Unrealistic, right? But if people had the courage to follow those teachings in every way we could transform the world. Yes, I believe in Shangri-La. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:26 AM I voted for McCain in the Arizona primary. I think he would have been a good President, Guest 191. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Mickey191 Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:22 AM Gore & Lieberman- S. I really wanted McCain.For many reasons I feel the same antipathy for Bush that I felt for tricky Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: JamesJim Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:13 AM BC. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: DougR Date: 09 Aug 00 - 11:51 PM Little Hawk: do you REALLY think that would stop corruption and divisivness in government? You, my friend, are describing "Shang Ri-La," and I don't believe that can ever exist, regardless of the form of government. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 00 - 11:42 PM Yeah. Tweedledum and tweedledummer. Exactly. If I was an American I suspect I would prefer Nader, on the whole. If it came down to Bush vs Gore (which it no doubt will...groan!) I would have to go for Gore, not cos I'm too impressed, but at least he isn't Republican...not that I think Republicans are bad people...I just think they have a wrongful idea of how to improve society, that's all. The 2 party system is a farce. So is Canada's 5 party system. I would be in favour of permanently abolishing all political parties forever, and electing one of say four individual candidates (nominated by popular ballot) in every riding...strictly on the basis of their character and what they have to say. Then all those individuals elected would form a national assembly and run the government by committee, each assembly member being responsible directly to the constituency that elected him, NOT to any party machine. This would eliminate many forms of corruption and divisiveness that presently plague our political system. Further to that, I would legislate that the election campaign be short...45 days only...and that EQUAL funding be provided for each candidate, out of a tax pool, that funding being of a moderate nature, sufficient to get their message out. That would eliminate the influence peddling that allows huge financial players to control every political party (except little guys like the Greens). To hell with political parties. They have perverted and destroyed our democratic system, and made our elections a running joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: Lox Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:40 PM Whatever you do, VOTE! You don't have any other political say. It makes no sense to have opinions if all you intend to do is parade them around in pubs and on websites. I'll bet that most of you have a lot to say and get pretty passionate about it too. Nows your chance to keep the biggest idiot out at the very least. If you don't, he'll be able to do all those things that you disagree with and he'll be able to say "Well, you chose me". And remember, it's not a horse race, you don't win a prize if you're right, you get a politician!!! Choose wisely. This isn't a time for bullshit TV personalities, soundbites and gut reactions. It's a time for you to say what you think by choosing the guy that best represents your viewpoint. It's not a case of agreeing with the best actor, it's a question of deciding whats most important to you, and then asking who's going to deliver. Fuck the TV, do a bit of simple research and ask "what? When? and Why?" then say "Who?". It is your life whether you choose to believe it or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: CarolC Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:40 PM But, Guest Luther, Porgy was a spy and an girl delighter. I rest my case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: northfolk/al cholger Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:22 PM First time I've known my comrade Mick to be wrong... Gore and Nader are similar on many issues...the difference, Ralph isn't lying. Health Care reform, Campaign finance reform, Labor law reform, and a litany of other issues that affect us every day are only going to be fixed when the American people demand that they be fixed... I'm certainly not portraying that electing Nader will get automatically get those things done...it won't. But Naders is the only candidacy that a populist movement can be built around, to accomplish those goals... I say if nothing else, we should be demanding to get Nader into the debates, because he will force the others to be more substantive... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST,Luther Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:02 PM no way -- Porgie was utterly discredited by the fiasco at Communist Martyrs High. His political career is finito. George, however, had the best campaign slogan ever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Presidential Poll From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:44 PM Can GUESTS vote? Gore - S Lieberman - S |