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GUEST,Krystian Paczkowski, Poland kryspacz@interi 30 Aug 00 - 07:04 AM
GUEST,Bruce O. 30 Aug 00 - 01:10 PM
Ferrara 12 Sep 00 - 01:48 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 12 Sep 00 - 01:56 PM
Malcolm Douglas 12 Sep 00 - 02:18 PM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 12 Sep 00 - 06:36 PM
Susanne (skw) 12 Sep 00 - 07:28 PM
Susanne (skw) 12 Sep 00 - 07:55 PM
Joe Offer 20 Jun 22 - 06:45 PM
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Subject: Rory O'Moore
From: GUEST,Krystian Paczkowski, Poland kryspacz@interi
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 07:04 AM

Hi! I"m looking desperately for the words of Wolfe Tones' song "Rory O'Moore" and Battlefield Band's "Rovin' dies hard". Can anyone help me, please? Krystian kryspacz@interia.pl


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:10 PM

There are over a dozen copies of Samuel Lover's "Rory O'More" on the Bodley Ballads website (Mudcat's Links).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore by Wolfe Tones
From: Ferrara
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:48 PM

I never heard of the Wolfe Tones but here's a Rory O'Moore anyway, who knows it may be what you want but probably not. It came from an old piano songbook and was an attempt to put words to a fiddle tune, I think. I know it's tacky, and I apologize ahead of time if it's not in the least what you're looking for!

Oh Rory O'Moore was an Irish colleen,
A neater and sweeter lass I've never seen
Yes my Rory O'Moore has my heart in a whirl
She's a real County Kerry, a right merry girl.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore by Wolfe Tones
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:56 PM

There are several copies of Samuel Lover's "Rory O'More" on the Bodley Ballads website (in Mudcat's Links)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore by Wolfe Tones
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 02:18 PM

I don't know what version the Wolfe Tones recorded, but there's also a set from the Grieg-Duncan Folk Song Collection on the DT:  Rory O'More  It's always a good idea to try alternative spellings when using any of the Search facilities here (I assume you did a search first) as song titles often come in a number of differing forms.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore by Wolfe Tones
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 06:36 PM

That's better! I thought we had an early gender-bender for a moment!

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: RORY O'MOORE (from The Wolfe Tones)
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 07:28 PM

I suspect this is what Krystian is after, recorded on 'Belt of the Celts' (1978):

RORY O'MOORE
(Samuel Lover)

On the Green Hills of Ulster the White Cross waves high
And the beacon of war throws its flames to the sky
Now the taunt and the threat let the cowards endure
Our hope is in God and in Rory O'Moore

Do you ask why the beacon and banner of war
On the mountains of Ulster is seen from afar
'Tis the signal our rights to regain and secure
Through God and our country and Rory O'Moore

On the Green Hills of Ulster the White Cross waves high
And the beacon of war throws its flames to the sky
Now the taunt and the threat let the cowards endure
Our hope is in God and in Rory O'Moore

And his country, his kindred, his faith would abjure
We'll strike for old Ireland and Rory O'Moore

For the merciless Scots with their greed and their swords
With war in their bosoms and peace in their words
Have sworn the bright light of our faith to obscure
But our hope is in God and in Rory O'Moore

Oh lives there the traitor who'd shrink from the strife
Who would add to the length of his forfeited life
And his country, his kindred, his faith would abjure
No we'll strike for old Ireland and Rory O'Moore

On the Green Hills of Ulster the White Cross waves high
And the beacon of war throws its flames to the sky
Now the taunt and the threat let the cowards endure
Our hope is in God and in Rory O'Moore

And his country, his kindred, his faith would abjure
No we'll strike for old Ireland and Rory O'Moore


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rory O'Moore by Wolfe Tones
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 07:55 PM

Sorry, Bruce, I must have overlooked your post!


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Subject: Origins: Rory O'Moore / Rory O'More
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jun 22 - 06:45 PM

Here's the entry on this song from the Traditional Ballad Index:

Rory O'More

DESCRIPTION: "Young Rory O'More courted young Kathleen Bawn." He teases her. She says Mike loves her and dreams of hating Rory. Rory says "drames always go by contraries," After thrashing Dinny Grimes and Jim Duff he asks her to marry. They marry and retire to bed.
AUTHOR: Samuel Lover (1797-1868)
EARLIEST DATE: before 1839 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 11(3313))
KEYWORDS: courting marriage fight dream
FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland(Aber))
REFERENCES (6 citations):
Greig/Duncan4 770, "Rory o' More" (1 text, 1 tune)
O'Conor-OldTimeSongsAndBalladOfIreland, p. 90, "Rory O'More" (1 text)
Wolf-AmericanSongSheets, #2030, p. 136, "Rory O'More" (2 references)
Winstock-SongsAndMusicOfTheRedcoats, pp. 217-218, "Rory O'More" (1 tune)
Heart-Songs, pp. 202-204, "Rory O'Moore" (1 text, 1 tune)
Hylands-Mammoth-Hibernian-Songster, pp. 49-50, "Rory O'More" (1 text)

Roud #6125
BROADSIDES:
Bodleian, Harding B 11(3313), "Rory O'More", J. Catnach (London), 1813-1838; also Firth b.27(136), Harding B 11(1513), Firth c.17(129) [only partly legible], Harding B 11(2596), Harding B 25(72), 2806 b.11(243), Harding B 16(233c), Harding B 11(3312), Firth b.34(212) View 2 of 2, 2806 c.16(297), Johnson Ballads 342, 2806 c.15(328), "Rory O'More"
SAME TUNE:
Too-Ril-Te-Too (The Robin and the Cat) (File: Lins293)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Rory O'Moore
NOTES [300 words]: Since O'Conor-OldTimeSongsAndBalladOfIreland omits the fourth(final) stanza broadside Bodleian Harding B 11(3313) was used for the Description.
Greig/Duncan4, like O'Conor, omits the broadside's fourth verse. Since, other than that, the text matches the broadside very closely, this may be an example of intentional self-censorship although that fourth verse is mild: they marry and go to bed. - BS
At least one source sub-titles this "Good Omens."
There was an Irish nationalist, Rory O'More, who was a leader of the 1641 rebellion (and a grandfather of Sarsfield, for whom see "After Aughrim's Great Disaster"). It doesn't appear he is connected with this song, though.
According to William H. A. Williams, 'Twas Only an Irishman's Dream, University of Illinois Press, 1996, p. 66, "By the 1830s the Irishman was becoming a familiar figure in the American theater. In that decade, however, the combined talents of two men in London helped move Paddy from the periphery to center stage on both sides of the Atlantic. In 1836 Samuel Lover's Rory O'More, a song turned into a play, was among the first comedies to have an Irish peasant character as the hero. The play's success was guaranteed by the superb acting of the man who created the title role, Tyrone Power."
On p. 67, Williams adds that Lover sought to transform the figure of the Irishman: "Lover replaced the old savage element of the stereotype with a childlike naivete. According to [Sally E.] Foster, Lover cleaned up the stage Irishman and made him fit for respectable middle-class entertainment. In doing so, he gave Paddy a new lease on life."
This Tyrone Power (full name: William Grattan Tyrone Power, born in Waterford in 1797; he was lost at sea on the President in 1841) was the great-grandfather of the Hollywood star. - RBW
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RORY O'MORE (Digital Tradition lyrics)

Young Rory O'More courted Kathleen Bawn
He was bold as a hawk and she soft as the dawn
He wished in his heart pretty Kathleen to please
And he thought the best way to do that was to tease.

"Now Rory be easy," sweet Kathleen would cry
Reproof on her lip but a smile in her eye
"With your tricks I don't know in troth what I'm about
Faith you've teased till I've put on my cloak inside out.

"O jewel," says Rory, " that same is the way
You've thrated my heart for this many a day
And tis plaz'd that I am and why not to be sure
For tis all for good luck." says bold Rory O'More.

"Indeed then," says Kathleen," don't think of the like
For I half gave a promise to soothering Mike
The ground that I walk on he loves I'll be bound."
"Faith," says Rory," I'd rather love you than the ground."

"Now Rory I'II cry if you don't let me go
Sure I drcam every night that I'm hating you so"
"Oh," says Rory," that same I'm delighted to hear
For dhrames always go by contrairies my dear."

"O jewel keep dhraming that same till you die
And bright morning will give dirty night the black lie
And tis plaz'd that I am and why not to be sure
Since tis all for good luck," says bold Rory O'More.

"Arrah Kathleen my darling you've teased me enough
Sure I've thrashed for your sake Dinny Grimes and Jim Duff
And I've made myself drinking your health quite a baste
So I think after that I may talk to the priest."

Then Rory the rogue stole his arm round her neck
So soft and so white without freckle or speck
And he looked in her eyes that were beaming with light
And he kissed her sweet lips don't you think he was right.

"Now Rory leave off sir you'll hug me no more
That's eight times today and you've kissed me before"
"Then here goes another," says he, " to make sure
For there's luck in odd numbers." says Rory O'More.

From the Grieg-Duncan Folk Song Collection
note: An Irish song, collected in Scotland
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