Serious Augmented Question!

Subject: Serious Augmented Question!
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 12:50 PM

Notation/music question:

I have a song (Beatles' It's Only Love) which has a variety of TAB versions -- the original is somewhere up on the high frets, and the one in E that I have refers to B7aug (you know: "My, oh my..."). What the hell is a B7aug? As usual, it also comes with +. The only chord book that comes close has B7+5 (augmented 5th). Is that what a B7 augmented is by default? Or is it a 9th? And then there is something that looks like B+7. Can't be the same, can it? Just a B augmented with a 7th attached (which sounds like it would mean the same in the wash) Is it? Help!!! The specific notes would help a lot.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: hesperis
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 01:11 PM

b, d#, f##, a

As far as I know, there is no such thing as an 'augmented 7th' by itself, because it would be called a 'major 7th'. 'Augmented' generally refers to either the fourth or the fifth, so if you have a chord that says 'aug' or '+' it usually means the fifth. So I assume that the 7th is still a flat 7th. An 'aug 11th' chord would have the 11th augmented, because it's a fourth.

I could be wrong.

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:11 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:27 AM

are you expecting this to be augmented, kat? yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:32 AM

According to nutchords

B7 = B, D#, A, F#

Baug = B, D#, G

Extrapolating from these two, perhaps B7aug = B, D#, A, G

Nutchords calls this "B7#5".

http://www.helsinki.fi/saarnio/

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:36 AM

P.S. - Use the link. The URL at the bottom should read: http://www.helsinki.fi/~saarnio/

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 10:11 AM

Naw, Peter, just saw that it hadn't been at the top very much and thought others might find it of interest.

I had ulterior motives, too, which some of the more serious old-time Mucatters might not believe of a BSer like me; I was actually on a *refreshing* spree trying to bring up more music-related threads, esp. ones which didn't have many postings. Darn thing seems out of balance some to me.**BG**

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 11:37 AM

But what's there to say? In a "what's this chord" thread, once you know the notes to the chord, the thread has served its purpose. Why augment it, so to speak?

Alex
O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 01:14 PM

The reason to refresh this thread, Mousethief, is that the answers are especially not useful--

The problem here is that PeterT wants to play a tune, and they has got some TAB from somewhere(Only God knows if it is any good) that has a chord name that he does not understand--

My guess is that the chord is simply an open B7 chord, with the fifth(F#) augmented to what is called F##, and is actually the same note as G, but is not called "G" for reasons that we can go into another time--

E-A-D-G-B-E
X-2-1-2-O-3

I don't have music for the song, and am too lazy to look for the recording of the thing, but my guess is that this chord actually follows a regular B7, so you would need to simply slide the pinky finger up one fret--however, I could be wrong--which brings me to my point--

I have been made a fool of (as have many others) by questions like this, because the person who asks the question doesn't give all, and sometimes not any, of the important information--

so we all make a guess as to what theoretical point they are trying to understand, and each of us spends a bit of time trying to explain some fine point of music theory, guitar chording, technique or whatever, only to discover that the person wanted something else entirely--

PeterT, if you are having a problem with a chord in a song, give us the chords to the whole song, so whichever of us are inclined can play through it, correct or clarify it--

If you need to find a pattern of fingerings that work, you will be hardpressed to get a good answer here or anywhere on the internet, simply because there isn't any easy way to show us the fingerings that you are using--this is the kind of question that you need to sit down with your guitar teacher to find an answer to--

augmented chord with a

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 04:20 PM

That's why! To further the discussion, which MTed has just done AND, more importantly, to bring more music-related threads to the top.

RANT ON: Even I, the most prolific poster of us all, am tired of the really stupid threads which seem to be so prevalent right now. It used to be BS threads at least some substance to them. RANT OFF

kat

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 05:45 PM

M Ted, you are of course right, but it was a natural mistake. In the Complete Beatles, the key being C, the progression goes, C, Em, Bb, F, G11, G7, and then G7+ ("I get high when I see you go by, my oh my") . And I thought what the hell is that? And then I went to a site somewhere, where the key changed and the G7+ was turned into a B7+. So, I check in my guitar chord book and it has B7+5, which, in my original question, was what I asked -- if that was the default when you saw an augmented sign after a 7th. I had no idea that it was specific to guitar, or related to the song. I just assumed it was part of the general musical notation language that hadn't found its way into the sandy shallows of my mind.
yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:24 AM

In the key of c, play this fingering-- E-A-D-G-G-E
X-6-5-4-4-X

Subject: RE: Serious Augmented Question!
From: Peter T.
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 04:47 PM

Just to close this off with an augmented, the version in the Complete Beatles that seems to work easiest on guitar (sticking with the original key of C) is 3 bar chords at the same spot - bar the 3rd fret and then: G11 is then the 3rd and 5th strings (held down) at the 5th fret; G7 is the 3rd string at the 4th fret, 5th string stays down; G7+ is just the 3rd string staying down, and the 2nd string held down at the 4th fret.

This has nothing to do with the recorded version, which is up higher; and to reiterate a conversation I had with Rick Fielding earlier this week: curse these fake versions of the originals. "Complete Beatles" indeed. At least if you had the original transcriptions you could see and hear what was going on. At least there is a Beatles score now out so you can buy the thing if you have 100$.

yours, Peter T.