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Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?

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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:53 PM

bert, you didnt qualify it until I jumped on you! It was real clear to me that you were showing great disrespect for two of my very good friends. So, I over reacted, so sue me!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Matt_R
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:52 PM

And yellow stockings!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: sophocleese
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:50 PM

I see harpgirl just reminded us of cross gartering too. What Ho! Malvolio!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:45 PM

McGrath, of course not. It would have to have been panty hose. Suspender belts would just be silly!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:37 PM

...imagine the irony of someone coming to Mudcat for religious advice! What's worse, the religious fanatics didn't get it!!!!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: sophocleese
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:27 PM

umm hesperis, if you'll remember the last time I tooted I had to borrow the 'flute'. It was a nice stubby purple one though even if it didn't have enough holes.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 06:28 PM

They didn't wear tights - it was "hose". You think Walter Raleigh had a suspender belt?


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 06:13 PM

You know, I've always wondered where they got tights back then. I mean, they didn't even have spandex!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 06:05 PM

hands down?...


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 04:40 PM

Actually, mouse, at one point Catspaw (I think) directed us to a website offering just those services. Camp in the woods and sneak a peak at couples in flagrente. Forget why he posted it but he did.

Now to get back to the "full frontal" stuff. I remember a cartoon in the New Yorker just after "The Piano" was released. It showed a matronly lady and her husband dressing for a formal affair. The caption: "Just remember, if Harvey Keitel shows up, you're going home alone."

I have a wonderful publicity photo of Orson Welles and Tyrone Powers in Elizabethan dress - tights and a tunic. Doesn't leave much to the imagination. Both have old Harvey beat hands down.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Tinker
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 03:42 PM

Once had a teacher who said he would never make fun of anyone he didn't like. Couldn't trust himself not to cross the line. Seems like a good basic rule. And if I use the assumption that they must like me or they wouldn't say it.... well, I may come across as dense sometimes, but it's also a wonderful response to the plain ol' flame type. Having grown up in a house full of irony and good natured ribbing it's hard sometimes to measure words for mis-interpretation.
Tinker


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 03:38 PM

mousethief, I expect spaw could play the Kettle drum the way you implied. He might even replace J. Arthur Rank!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Bert
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 02:54 PM

Rick, there's some days you just can't win. I remember posting to a BS thread one time and someone got the wrong end of the stick and jumped all over me; even though I had qualified my posting by saying that it was supposed to be funny.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Kim C
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 02:22 PM

It all depends on what your definition of toot is. :]


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: hesperis
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 01:53 PM

Well, you see, er....

Actually, I'm not answering that question. Sophocleese?
Anybody?
Take it from here...


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:14 PM

I've always wondered about my tribe. I think I may have Orillian Ironic roots ...

Wait ... they WERE tooting their OWN flutes, right?

ww


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:58 AM

I wonder if you could make a buck driving randy tourists to a hidden spot from which they could watch Orillian wannabes running naked through the woods?

I wonder if a naked man would have a temptation to play the bodhran with his.... No, let's not go there.

I woke up thinking about Turkish drummers
Didn't take long, I don't know much about Turkish drummers
--Bruce Cockburn

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:51 AM

Carol. Although my first professional gig was in Orillia (at a place called Owaissa Lodge) back about a hundred years ago, I'm only a sporadic visitor. (have done about 10 concerts there in 30 years)

I think there's a Secret society operating in that area. Before you can become an "honorary Orillian" you have to go through many bizarre initiation rituals. I think they run naked through the woods, brandishing their bodrhans and tooting their flutes while singing Ironic folksongs. I don't do a lot of "bodrhan brandishing" anymore.

I DID however teach a couple of young Owaissa Lodge staff how to sing a Gregorian Chant in the middle of the lake in a canoe on that first visit!

Rick


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:53 AM

That was me being Pedantia, in case anyone was getting worried. You know, Seamus Kennedy mentioned a lack of education about subtle forms of humor (or should that be "humour?") - maybe this IS their education!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 02:20 AM

Rick Fielding,

I caught you engaging in some beautiful subtle irony on the peady and his headless bird thread. In particular, your 10/30, 11:38 post, and your 10/31, 12:02 post.

I think it suits you perfectly. I'd go with what you do best. Are you sure you're not from Orillia?

Carol


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 01:18 AM

Well, since it's difficult for me to speak/write without being intermittently ironic/goofy/humorous, it makes me weary to have to think of constantly monitoring myself to make certain I'm not offending. It seems the surest bet is not to be cocked and ready to go off at the slightest whiff of insult.

and McGrath of H, I absolutely agree with you. For generations, the printed word has served quite well to transmit ideas and emotions without the use of *special* punctuation to clue in the reader that IT'S TIME TO LAUGH HERE, FOLKS... And, saying that, I know we live in different times and a different world and ... blah, blah, blah. Still ... it makes me feel sad to think of people going through life so literal minded and willing to have their feelings hurt.

But then, I've worked in newsrooms for 20 years, and that's where all the smartasses go to get regular paychecks, so what do I know...

ww


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: pict
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:44 AM

Why get your head in a knot about someone not copping on to irony it's their problem.A good solution is to hold your tongue and observe if you feel someone is being snide after a while you'll see the true nature of someones comments and it definitely pays not to be too sensitive on internet forums.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:41 AM

Isn't "irony" just like "silvery" or "tinney", but made of iron?
Confused from Croydon :o)


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:29 AM

If Victor Borge can come up with phonetic punctuation, we clever little Mudcatters oughta be able to come with much better emoticons - not that I'll ever use them! All the best,
Seamus


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 03:28 PM

tHERE OUGHTTA BE AN AWARD FOR THE BEST GUEST NAMES EACH YEAR.

Aw crap, Capslock it's you again!

I nominate Pedantia Snootflute. Problem is, how to award the prize?

RICK. That was SO SMART-- that we can know who we have said something to, but not who we will have said it to! BRILL!!!! Just think too how odd when people cross-post and do not know they have entered into a chronological record that freezes their comments as though the second post was made with awareness of the first. Eeew, spooky!

And hey, emoticons aren't drift in this thread, they are part of the attempt to address the issue raised by the thread!

~S~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: GUEST,Pedantia Snootflute
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 03:11 PM

Really! Hmmmph! I'm highly offended that anyone would dare use irony on the internet, let alone humour in general. One should always be perfectly understandable, because heaven knows it's not the reader's responsibility to try to understand what they read!

If you just look at what could happen when you just make a simple joke, you can see how dangerous irony can be. Suppose someone doesn't think it's funny? We could wind up with a terrible argument about it. Suppose they simply don't understand it? This would make them feel left out. I really think all humour should be banned - irony, sarcasm, knock-knock jokes... even quotes from Dan Quayle.

Well, that's all I have for the moment. I'm sure you will all realise I'm right and STOP THE MADNESS!!!


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:43 PM

Darn it 'Hawk, I always thought that song was called "Moronic"!

Actually despite all the thread drift, I've learned a lot from this. Anytime you can get 10 or more Mudcatters posting at least one serious reply to something, a fascinating picture emerges.

By the way, I simply don't have the brains, perseverence or memory to do those little "emoticons" (that IS what they're called, right?) so I'll probably continue to be misunderstood at times.

I mentioned earlier that I "pick my spots" when being ironic or humourous. That of course means knowing who you're talking to. On Mudcat, you only know who you WERE talking to. If the next person who jumps in thinks yer brilliant dark humour is simply nasty, or racist, or sacreligious, or pornographic....yer up shit creek. We can't predict who the next person in is gonna be. Makes it interesting.

Thanks for the feedback folks.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:29 PM

Crunchberry?


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:09 PM

Ironical that a thread on irony has devolved into a thread on thread drift...or is it a thread on emoticon constructions or....

Sophocleese is the TRUE mistress of irony.

Why has no one brought up the Alanis Morrisette song "Ironic"?


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:06 PM

We can see Peady has never been divorced:

But he has told me to get an attorney, when I have not commited a crime.

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: AndyG
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:00 PM

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nice one !

AndyG (just testing)


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:47 AM

I give up.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:46 AM

He musta practiced!

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~S~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:43 AM

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BTW Bill D, that first one of yours-- ow, my neck!

~S~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:41 AM

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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:32 AM

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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:30 AM

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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: hesperis
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:24 AM

Is that sort of like "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince"?


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Troll
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:38 AM

Sorry. That should read:"The Poster Formerly Known As Mbo"

troll


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Troll
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:36 AM

You will be punished for that, Roger.
And to the poster Formerly Known As Mbo, You're just now getting up? The day is half over. Boy, you young kids have it soft. Why when Spaw and I were young...bla, bla, bla, etc... and THAT was only if we were sick and it was Sunday!

troll


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:31 AM

RTS,

Sorry that I'm taking away the last word. Love that one, was it Garry Larson?

How about the devil opening the door to the room full of picking, grinning Banjo players and saying to the man accompanying him "Welcome to Hell Maestro"


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:27 AM

I think MMario has summed it up nicely, but to have the last word (as if!): this thread reminds me of a cartoon: Prison guard shows a visitor to a cell where there are 2 men chained up, both have sheet metal masks on their head, one with a smiley face painted on it:
[Wait for it]:
Jailer (Gaoler):"This is the man in the iron mask... and this is the man in the ironic mask".
Boom Boom
RtS


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 09:51 AM


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 09:38 AM

Susan, you went to bed 10 minutes after I got up to go to school!

:{>


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: jets
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 09:28 AM

It has been said;That many truths have been said in Jest.


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:36 AM

Yeah!

G'nite!

} : ~ z )

~S~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:30 AM

Did you see how I was practicing not being ironic?


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:25 AM

Oops, } : - [ ) spacing:

( : - | )

<( : - | )

I'm going back to bed!

} : ~ z )

Wait, tongue in cheek--
( : - ^ )

~S~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:20 AM

Yeah, Carol, it would have to be like this:





~S~ Maybe since no one would get that we could use this: >-<
to indicate flat affect?


Or:
(:-|)

Or with a party hat if you're asking Spaw to go for it:
<(: - |)

Hahahahhhh!

Slight ironic grimace:
} : - ] )

Just a hint of disapproval:
} : - [ )

~*BG*~


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Subject: RE: Full Frontal Irony. Dangerous at times?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:06 AM

Maybe someone should publish an edition of Jane Austin with emoticons added for the readers who otherwise would miss the irony...

Actually, I can just imagine someone doing exactly that. O tempores, O mores...


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