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BS: Time to come together

Mick Lowe 11 Dec 00 - 07:01 PM
bflat 11 Dec 00 - 07:16 PM
Ebbie 11 Dec 00 - 07:31 PM
Wolfgang 12 Dec 00 - 04:52 AM
Troll 12 Dec 00 - 07:49 AM
Mick Lowe 12 Dec 00 - 02:55 PM
Jon Freeman 12 Dec 00 - 03:07 PM
Ebbie 12 Dec 00 - 03:29 PM
mousethief 12 Dec 00 - 03:39 PM
Greg F. 12 Dec 00 - 05:13 PM
Joe Offer 12 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM
Hollowfox 12 Dec 00 - 05:47 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 12 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM
Peter T. 12 Dec 00 - 06:33 PM
Allan C. 12 Dec 00 - 06:37 PM
rangeroger 12 Dec 00 - 08:23 PM
SingsIrish Songs 12 Dec 00 - 10:33 PM
Joe Offer 14 Dec 00 - 05:17 PM
Little Hawk 15 Dec 00 - 05:17 PM
Jed at Work 15 Dec 00 - 05:27 PM
mousethief 15 Dec 00 - 05:27 PM

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Subject: BS..Time to come together
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 11 Dec 00 - 07:01 PM

This is a rather radical thread.. so if you are of a nevous disposition.. please leave now..

I don't know if you are like me.. in that you've spent countless fruitless hours scouring the internet for a particular song or tune, only to be presented with the same old material or worse still.. a no-longer existant website from a search engine.

Well a thought occured to me this evening in that we here at the mudcat have the power to change all that. Now first off I have to say I am not intending to take away anything from this ultimate of sites.. so Joe/Dick.. don't get worried.. what I am proposing is filling a niche that the cat doesn't profess to occupy.. The DT will always be the biggest source of folk related lyrics on the internet...

What I want to draw everyone's attention to is the fact that this is the internet.. a purely global community.. the only one of its kind, never before have people all over the globe been able to share and communicate in such a way.

But I'm prevarocating.. to the nub of the issue. My concept is the ultimate folk/celtic/traditional music site. A site where even the casual surfer can find exactly what they are looking for.. this may be in a series of well documented and current links, or better still in an all comprehensive, all encompassing site. Such a site is not the work of a single individual.. what I am proposing here is that music webmasters of the world unite and produce the ultimate resource. I know this idea may fall on stoney ground, especially with people who have created sites with lyrics etc.. purely as an exercise in learning web-authoring techniquies.. but what I am proposing is a total global co-operation and sharing..

I know this is a rather radical thought and I've not even begun to explain my rationale behind it all... but if you wish to discuss it further with me.. then please email me here


mick@prof.co.uk

Mick

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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: bflat
Date: 11 Dec 00 - 07:16 PM

I would hope that your thread would not become the standard format as it was annoying to have to scroll left and right. I suppose you wanted to get attention to your idea. Why don't you rewrite?


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 00 - 07:31 PM

And Mick, for some reason here on Mudcat we are misusing the word 'prevaricate'. To prevaricate means to lie, to be deceitful. And surely that is not your meaning. Do you perhaps mean 'procrastinating'? As in shilly-shallying or not getting to a point?

No offense intended. And you're not the only one here who has been using the word that way.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 04:52 AM

Sometimes I dream of such a site, but before I leave my job I'm not in a position to contribute.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Troll
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 07:49 AM

According to my American College Dictionary:Pre.var.i.cate, to act or speak evasively;equivocate;quibble.
Nothing about lieing or decitfulness.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 02:55 PM

First off apologies bflat and anyone else who read this thread before joeclone was kind enough to reformat it.. for some reason I can never get the "pre" command to work properly in this dialogue box.

Didn't really mean to start a debate on the meaning of the word prevaricate either (which for the record I've just looked up in my dictionary .."to shift about from side to side, to evade the truth; to quibble")..

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:07 PM

I'm not sure whether it would be better being a separate site or part of Mudcat but I would like to see such a site. As for your other thoughts, here is a short extract from an assignment I have been working on:

In a real world situation, I would have contacted them and suggested that they added my "extras" to their site as I get very angry over the amount of duplicate information on the internet. I view duplicating what is already there as an act of sheer selfishness and one that merely hinders the efforts of those wishing to find information.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:29 PM

OK! I stand corrected. Sorry; I've been using it wrong.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 03:39 PM

Hmmm. Evade the truth. Lie. Those are such different concepts.


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:13 PM

Hmmmm. Let me see..... Gore lies, Bush prevaricates. It that it?  :-)

Best, Greg


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Subject: Special Projects
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM

You'll notice in the FAQ that we have a number of PermaThreads™ - various people (particularly John in Brisbane) have had projects they wanted to do, usually compiling some sort of reference work. Alan of Australia did a great job on the Penguin Book of English Folksongs and then Malcolm Douglas did a terrific job of adding background information.
If you've got a project you'd like to work up, let me know. We can probably assign you your own personal JoeClone® to work with you on the tech stuff - Jon Freeman is especially good at that, and so are Jeri and Pene.
Would that be something like what you're looking for, Mick?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Hollowfox
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 05:47 PM

*Anyway*, Mick, semantics aside, your idea sounds interesting, and it has a lot of potential, if you can pull it off. I'm always on the prowl for lytics of all varieties, and something like this could help for some of them. I wish you luck on finding gathering all those webmasters together, establishing criteria, layout, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM

I thought this thread was about Mudcatters having simultaneous orgasms around the world...

Come on Spaw you could really do this one....lol


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Peter T.
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:33 PM

I think you have stumbled onto a classic problem -- do you want one "all-encompassing" ultimate anything, or a quilt of stuff? The Web (not to mention folkies) is/are not big on one all-encompassing anything, though God knows Microsoft is trying. It is like asking for one big Folk music store, as opposed to all the little ones. Is this really worth fretting about? We are talking folk music here. Would it be better to rationalize/centrally node a whole pile of links to relevant sites? Oh, probably. But there are networks and sites with multiple links already. If he or she isn't prepared to click around a few times, just to bum around, they are in the wrong medium. I think there are more interesting dreams. Like this Emmylou Harris nude calendar concept I have been playing around with....

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 06:37 PM

Well, as a friend of mine is fond of saying, "I don't understand all I know about this" but it seems to me that much of what you describe is already here. The problem is that its true potential has not yet been utilized. What I refer to is the Links (found at the top of this page). I believe that if this were more actively contributed to and monitored for organization, it could be absolutely wonderful.


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: rangeroger
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 08:23 PM

PeterT, I'll take one.

rr


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 12 Dec 00 - 10:33 PM

If only there was a "internet site sorter" LOL--to automatically get rid of the obsolete/non-existent sites, and group together all the info better......

Anyway...my trusty "Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary" says:

pre-var-i-cate "to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie"....derived from Latin meaning "to walk as if straddling".......and to look up "quibble", definition 1 says "a use of ambiguous, prevaricating, or irrelevant language or arguments to evade a point at issue."

Interesting the English language and English language dictionaries!

Mudcat is always fun!


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 05:17 PM

A while back, Kat posted a link to FolkLib, which calls itself"The FolkLib Index is an on-going attempt to index information on the World Wide Web that is related to the fields of Folk Music, Bluegrass and Old-Time Music, Acoustic Blues and Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar. Among other topics, special pages are also devoted to Harp (the stringed kind) Players and Wisconsin Musicians."
Take a look - it's quite an effort.
-Joe Offer- (I added it to our "links" page)


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 05:17 PM

These sex threads are just getting entirely out of hand. I, for one, am appalled!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: Jed at Work
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 05:27 PM

Mick - it's a good idea, but would takje a very serious effort to make it work, and a lot of cooperation. BUt I could see a master serach engine hitting all the locations with a very powerful advanced search technique ... then cooperation among the sites around rules for upkeeping data, and cooperations about specialties and display formats ... could be a wondeful rich resource. But Mudcat and the few others I use are already pretty good!


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Subject: RE: BS..Time to come together
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 05:27 PM

No no, Little Hawk, "fingerstyle" isn't referring to sex, it's a way of playing the guitar!


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