BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:53 PM

"And yes, I was laughing at you. For your sake, I hope I was laughing with you as well. I've never tried a euphonium, but I have laughed hysterically (at myself) while playing the baritone horn. Does that count?"

This is why I was calling you laughing boy. I just couldn't find it earlier.

MAV

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:49 PM

"I just don't see the point of debating with someone who honestly believes that the only thing that stands between us and a totalitarian dictatorial regime is having guns in our pockets"

Well, that's what the second amendment is all about, a corrupt government fears an armed citizenry.

"And who says that taxes are literally the same as armed robbery"

Professor Walter Williams, Head of the economics department at GMU.

The IRS doesn't exactly say it but, try not paying and watch them come (with guns) and seize your property.

If anyone else took 45% of your hard earned cash you'd call it theft wouldn't you?

"When confronted with an inability to respond coherently, the fascist's best defense is demonization"

I've had a little experience in this area, I make comments and the liberals cop a condecending attitude and start name calling. The early indicators were pointing in that direction

"He hasn't resorted to name calling yet, perhaps that is next.Doesn't that juxtaposition strike you as a bit odd?"

No

"While we are on the subject of name calling, you should get over your penchant for belittling people. You referred to our president and vice president as clinton/gore and algore. Do you have understanding of how much that makes you sound like a mean-spirited churl?"

They should both be tried for treason and if convicted punished in the traditional manner. Selling the nuclear arsonal to the Chinese Communists makes them the lowest form of scum, need I explain any further?

"Whether you like it or not, these people were elected by a majority of the population of our fair country"

No they weren't! The first time clinton received a 23%plurality, more people voted against him than for him.

"...they deserve the respect of their offices."

Why? They sure as HELL don't respect their offices (sex in the oval office/no controlling legal authority etc.)

"In Al Gore's case, he got a majority of the vote and still didn't get elected"

LOOK! There were 50 state races with various "winner takes all" amounts of electoral votes. Those were the rules before the election and since the beginning of the US.

Bush won more of those eletoral votes.

The so-called "popular vote" is a contrived meaningless number and has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of a Presidential election.

"I hate to have to tell you this, but if you claim to love America you have to actually accept things like democracy and the fact that most of us don't agree with your views"

No I don't! My views come from the Constitution. Elected officials and military take an oath to defend and uphole the Constitution of the US.

I hate to tell YOU this, but the word "democracy" does not appear in the Constitution. This is not and never has been a "democracy" and I indeed do not like "democracy"

In a "democracy" you would vote on every bit of minutia to come along, like what color uniforms the guards at the White House would have, appropriations bills, everything. There would be no congress, they would not be necessary.

Democracy is mob rule. Five guys decide (vote)to rape a woman, that's democracy.

The democrats have been repeating this democracy lie for years just to market their corrupt fascist party.

We live in a Republic. Check out the pledge of allegiance "and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands"

"You seem to love America, but you don't seem to like most Americans very much"

I like them just fine. If you look at the election 2000 political map you will see that this country is divided between country and city people. I'm a country person.

Most algor voters live in the corrupt and psychotic cities.

"While we are on the subject of name calling and belittling, calling me laughing boy and accusing me of being a fascist is really kind of crude. What are you hoping to accomplish by this? This is not the way to win friends and influence people"

I'll get back to you on this one, see earliest posts.

"I'm a musician, too. What kind of music do you play? Maybe we can get together sometime and jam and not talk politics. ;-)"

I play blues, boogie woogie and swing on B-3, Wurlie and regular pianos and blues harp.

MAV

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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:37 PM

Hi! This thread is getting too long by normal Mudcat standards; we are asked by the Powers That Be to, when a thread gets to be over 100 posts, create a new thread to continue the discussion, hence, please cease & desist from posting to this thread, and continue the discussion here.

(how's THAT for a split infinitive? pedants, eat dust!)

Thanks!

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: DougR
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:24 PM

I'm sure everybody gets your drift, Alex.

Larry: Your father had no other choice? He HAD to go down in that mine? There were no roads leading out of your hometown to towns where jobs might be available that did not involve going down into that dirty old coal mine? Maybe he should have come out west and become a cowboy! Outdoor life, healthy, and the only danger from consumption was swallowing too much Bull Durham smoke.

Just curious.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:18 PM

Ah, if a liberal does it, it's name calling. If a conservative does it, it's analysis.

I think someone here could use a little analysis, if you get my drift.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:45 PM

Guys, guys, guys.

That wasn't name calling, if you want to see name calling, you only need to look at some of your own posts.

If you disagreed with my analysis of the so-called right winger (probably a David Duke type) fine. I call 'em like I see 'em.

Have I stepped on some toes? Well if the shoe fits.

See ya.

MAV

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: John P
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:41 PM

Mav, I don't have any problem responding coherently. I just don't see the point of debating with someone who honestly believes that the only thing that stands between us and a totalitarian dictatorial regime is having guns in our pockets. And who says that taxes are literally the same as armed robbery.

Here's an interesting quote from your last post, with you talking about me:
When confronted with an inability to respond coherently, the fascist's best defense is demonization. He hasn't resorted to name calling yet, perhaps that is next.

Doesn't that juxtaposition strike you as a bit odd?

While we are on the subject of name calling, you should get over your penchant for belittling people. You referred to our president and vice president as clinton/gore and algore. Do you have understanding of how much that makes you sound like a mean-spirited churl? Whether you like it or not, these people were elected by a majority of the population of our fair country, and they deserve the respect of their offices. In Al Gore's case, he got a majority of the vote and still didn't get elected. I hate to have to tell you this, but if you claim to love America you have to actually accept things like democracy and the fact that most of us don't agree with your views. You seem to love America, but you don't seem to like most Americans very much.

While we are on the subject of name calling and belittling, calling me laughing boy and accusing me of being a fascist is really kind of crude. What are you hoping to accomplish by this? This is not the way to win friends and influence people.

I use a Shub capo on my guitar and a Kaiser on my cittern. I'm not sure why, they just seem to work better that way.

Mav, I'm glad you are having a good life. I'm a musician, too. What kind of music do you play? Maybe we can get together sometime and jam and not talk politics. ;-)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:09 PM

Hmmmmm, what if they did do a statue of Clinton....what would it show?.....some middle aged guy with his back arched in his chair and two feet sticking out from under his desk?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 08:25 PM

"Lincoln was a sort of Clintonesk character" - the mind boggles. I know what you mean, InOBU, but if they ever put a monument up to Clinton depicting what he'll be remembered for...I'll be a bit surprised.

What's different with Uncle Jacque is that he has posted on musical threads as well. There's a difference in a session between someone who's there for the music, but who has a bee in their bonnet they want to air (like a lotb of us), and someone who doesn't show any interest in the music but just seems to want an audience for their opinions.

As for "teddy bears" - since that was one of Teddy Roosevelt contributions, perhaps the use of the term was meant to nudge Uncle towards a different vision of Republicanism! (Where I live you'd be more likely to use the expression "pussy-cat" than "teddy-bear" in this sort of context.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 07:14 PM

Sorry Jacque. I never should have called you a "teddy bear". I don't usually resort to name calling. Mousethief - rascist and fascist work for me in the above situations. How would you prefer to see it handled?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Stackley
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 06:13 PM

He's only following Jaque's lead- and fairly well, at that. If we grant for sake of argument that Jack may indeed be a "teddy bear" then why does he behave like such a jerk? Does he think he's amusing? And what makes him think we haven't 'seen the other side' (so nice of him to eddicate us po' dumb folks) and rejected it?

Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 06:00 PM

Mav, your namecalling really shows you in a poor light. My suggestion: try being a little more civil.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 05:53 PM

Dear Little Hawk,

"Everybody - I have a folkie friend here in Orillia who is SO right-wing that he can't find anyone to vote for...he says they're all too far to the left for him. He would like to run the government himself...and here's what he says he would do"

Your friend is not right wing, he is a brutal authoritarian.

All control freaks belong on the left.

Those of us real right wingers love freedom and the US Constitution.

"1. Deport ALL foreigners, specially Asians and blacks. (He actually emigrated here from Scotland, but that doesn't count.)"

Racist

"2. Ban mixed marriages (he means mixed race, not male and female)"

Racist

"3. Put gays back in the closet where they belong, and shoot 'em if they put up a fuss about it"

fascist

"4. Have at least one firearm in every household so decent people can protect themselves"

Right wing

"5. Feed all prisoners on bread and water, with no parole ever. And lots and lots of capital punishment, of course"

No comment

"6. Tell the major corporations to share the wealth...and if they don't, shoot their board of directors (I kind of like that one)"

Communist (If you want to share the wealth, but some stock)

"7. Ditto for the banks (again, I sort of sympathize)"

I prefer credit unions and brokerages myself.

"8. Lay off 95% of the government workers, and have private industry take over their jobs"

Right wing and right on!

"9. Shut down the labour unions"

He scores BIG TIME!

"10. Shoot anyone who disagrees with the above agenda"

Criminal, he can't really expect you to believe that one.

He has a mixture of beliefs and may also fall into the anarchy camp.

He is no associate of mine.

MAV

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 05:32 PM

John P said;

"Mav, I started to write a point by point response to your last message, but then I realized that you are so far outside the norm that nothing is going to have any effect on you"

When confronted with an inability to respond coherently, the fascist's best defense is demonization.

He hasn't resorted to name calling yet, perhaps that is next.

"What's the point of trying?"

The only thing that puts me outside the norm is being a musician.....You? "Have a nice life"

I have so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 04:42 PM

Ahhhh! The BBC, As I started to read your post, I thought, Jeeze, why can't US citizen's know as much about our government! I am a little realived that you did not learn about this as a part of the general Irish or English grade school education! I must say, I was very disappointed to see how American crime and agony programs are taking over English TV these days. But, you are indeed right. However, even Lincoln was a sort of Clintonesk charactor, a great middle of the roader, didn't even free all the slaves, only those in cessionist states. Part of his great success was his ability to find coalition, and the fact that he got shot, always does wonders for one's historical place!
Cheers, Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 04:36 PM

AS I understand it the Bull Moose Party only came into existence when Teddy Roosevelt was rejected by the Republican Party machine, in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of those who took part in the primaries voted for him. So his supporters walked out and set up a new party with him, and the Republican candidate was wiped out in the election, even though Teddy lost to the Democrats.

(I only know this because the BBC ran a documentary about him the other day.)

The point is, in many ways the Democrats and the Republicans swapped clothes a couple of generations back, so stuff about Lincoln being a Republican is essentially a-historical hogwash, though technically true.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Ribbit
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 04:17 PM

Amergin,
I have a copy of Matewan I'd be glad to let you borrow. Just PM with your address and I'll get it out to you.
All the best
Thom

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 04:11 PM

Hi Kendall
ANd let us not forget that Ted was a member of the Bull Moose party... a strange sort of populist fair play wing, in fact such a different party that he would not have been elected, became president by reason of an assasination... Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 03:11 PM

Mama, most of what you said is right on the money..no arguement here, but inOBU is also right. The original republican party was formed to get the robber barons of the backs of the working man. Teddy Roosevelt was the last republican to give a damn about the working man. Remember..A working man voting for a republican, is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:55 PM

Dear PPM "THE BUSINESS OWNER is the one who is taking the risk" This was said in a law school class in which I found myself. My answer was, some risk. When at the age of thriteen my father went down in the coal mine, the owner took all the risk? Down in that hell where he could not see his hand in the light of his lamp from al the coal dust, down there where water or gas could kill him at any moment and with no warning, the poor old boss - living on 5th Ave in NY, was likely loosing sleep for fear of the risk, the risk that he could loose all the money he made off my dad's labour and find himself down in the risk my dad took every day. I don't think the boss died, gasping for every breath of emphasima, as my dad did, and so many others who left the risk up to the boss.
Cheers,
Larry PS My dad deserved the palace of gold, not the son of a bitch who sent him down in the ground, my dad worked for it, he didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:52 PM

I am conservative, and I certainly don't believe in shooting people because they want to join a union. How dare you implicate me! (pistol packin mama)

Good on ya! That's the point I've been trying to make - the people who think that way try to usurp the term "conservative", and they are the ones who you need to have in your sights, because they are the ones who bring it into disrepute. And in the real world they've managed to trap a lot of decent people into colluding with some very bad things.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:49 PM

Thanks Sins..........and I'm sure you're right of course. I have friends all over the board on most issues.

'Gin boy.....I taped "Matewan" off BRAVO awile back because its NEVER at any video store.

Jed, I appreciate your confused input on the burning issue of capos. I am waiting for some definitive answer. As for me, I use both. Shubb is the best thing going, but for just fooling around the Kyser is a decent capo and much faster and easier to change.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,pistol packin' mama
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:41 PM

Amergin, you said "You say there is more to fear from the left? Tell that to every striker who was gunned down just for wanting things better than they had....tell that to Sacco and Vanzetti....tell that to the countless unmarked graves dotting this country, because the bossmen didn't want to lose any of their precious profits...."

It really irks me that you tar all people who say they're right wingers with the same brush. I am conservative, and I certainly don't believe in shooting people because they want to join a union. How dare you implicate me!

There is positively nothing wrong with someone in business making a profit. But it is stupid for an employer (besides immoral) to want to keep a labor force as cheaply as he can with no regard to the employee's rights and needs. If industrial bosses had been right in the first place, there would have been no reason for unions. They shot themselves in the foot with their greed.

A person in business needs to make a profit. Why else go into business? Business owners deserve to make more than their employees. THE BUSINESS OWNER is the one who is taking the risk! When you start a business, you put your heart and soul into it. Ask any business owner who's been in it for more than five years. Ask how much money they had to sink into it to get it started. Ask about the hours they put in at the start. Ask how many YEARS it took to make a profit. There is a lot of sweat and tears in starting an enterprise. I respect the ones who have made it big by dint of their own effort.

I believe that it is a good thing that we have labor laws, for even the simplest things like making sure employees get a break (coffee break, you know). But I believe it is bad to be extreme in either way. It is the nature of man to be tempted by greed, and that is why the laws exist. Maybe some bosses don't need the law, because they're fair people anyway.

So guys, does that make me moderate? I don't know. Probably not, since I carry a concealed weapon (and am licensed to do so) PPM

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Jed at Work
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:32 PM

no, wait - I think it's Kaiser!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Jed at Work
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:31 PM

shubb, is my personal choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Jed at Work
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:30 PM

The surest way I know to fill up a thread on this music website is to start a conversation about politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 02:11 PM

Teddy Roosevelt was the sort of Republican they used to have before they got bought up and modernised by the fat cats wasn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 01:21 PM

Hey, Kendall, I love that movie!! I keep looking for it, but haven't found it yet....

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 01:19 PM

For all his sharp edges and bristling, Uncle Jacques is a big teddy bear. Hate to give you away Jack but... I tried to shake his hand and say goodnight at the Shanty Sing and was enveloped in a warm fuzzy hug. Simply put: Jacques is a good man. I believe he means it when it says he wants you all to see the "other side". He would probably be disappointed if he won you over to it - who would he have to argue with? Sorry - With whom would he then argue (with)?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 01:09 PM

Right on Amergin. Here is a good example of how the right wing thinks..in the 20's, the cannery owners wanted the workers to be required to work on Sunday. They got a bill before congress to make it legal, and, Al Smith killed it.Want more? watch the film MATEWAN. How about the men who were beaten to death and shot by company thugs for wanting an 8 hour day?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 01:01 PM

Uh, I would dearly hate to burst your bubble, GUEST, Oldtimemusic1, but being as where my home town is only a few miles (as the crow flies) from Ruby Ridge, I know....Bush, Sr. was still president when that was going down. It happened in late August/early September of 1992....Clinton hadn't even won the presidency yet.

You say there is more to fear from the left? Tell that to every striker who was gunned down just for wanting things better than they had....tell that to Sacco and Vanzetti....tell that to the countless unmarked graves dotting this country, because the bossmen didn't want to lose any of their precious profits....Do you think the right is responsible for what we have today? The forty hour week, overtime, benefits, and etc..? No, that is because of the left, who seem to care a whole lot more about the working class (my class), then the right do.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,History major
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 12:58 PM

That sir is a very large pile of clap trap! It's interesting that you right wingers refuse to give credit for womens right to vote to Wilson, but, you blame him for ww1. The German sub sank the Lusitania, remember? Wilson tried his best to keep out of that war. In 1940, they sank the Ruben James. We did not retaliate. In 1941, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And, if you say FDR knew they were going to do it..you are full of shit! He knew there was a strong possibility that they would hit us somewhere, but, you will never make me believe he knew where or when. In Korea, we had troops there, just like the rest of the UN. That was NOT Trumans war. Why did you not mention The Actor and Granada? that was nothing more than a ruse to get us off Iran-Contre. Or, Panama? George had to get us off the recession, so, he suddenly attacked a former ally. You wanna get silly? why not blame the republicans for getting us into all those recessions, and depressions? Get real mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Oldtimemusic1
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 12:26 PM

That should be MORE to fear from the LEFT and LESS to fear from the RIGHT.... That just goes to show you that you have to write fast when you have to slip into the "home's" office to use the computer..... Here they cooommeee after me againnnnn.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Oldtimemusic1
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 12:22 PM

While I do read political commentary (mudcat's threads in particular) - at least when I'm awake here at the "home" - I do tend to nod off....

Any way I hope you'll allow this old coot to make a few observations. We must remember that no president can do very much - good or bad without the support of his party. So it is the PARTY that we must be wary of.

what party was in control during slavery? Democrats What party freed the slaves? Lincoln's Republicans Which party was in power after the civil war (actually there wasn't much "civil" about it with the nation losing approximately 1/5 of its population to the war); and kept black people repressed - particularly in the South? Did you ever hear of the "share cropper" system with it's plantation stores which made sure that black (and white) share croppers didn't break free from the system. If you say Democrat - you got it!!

What party has gotten US into most wars? WWI? Wasn't it Wilson's Democrats. WWII? Roosevelt's democrats. They even "lost" some important intelligence reports re the Japanese armada ane some would say allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Korea? Truman's democrats. OK well give Bush the Persian Gulf War. What about all the "mini" wars created by Clinton's Democrats - without adequate logistic support.

Which party gave us the socialistic programs which are still alive and growing today? Roosevelts Democrats. FDR's VP for his second term was Wallace (Henry - not George) was so far left that they had to keep a rope tied to his heel to keep him from floating off into left field).

Which party gave us Ruby Ridge and Waco? If you guessed Democrat - you win a cigar.

Democrats have little to fear from Republicans. Remember the impeachment trial when Lott determines that it is not necessary to call witnesses. What kindadeal is that?

I doubt very much that GW's administration will be all that conservative. Most of his cabinet appear to be center - a couple slightly right of center; and a couple slightly left of center. Watch his Supreme Court appointees that'll tell the tale. Watch the Left (that is to say: Democrats do every thing they can to "Bork" any conservative nominee.

Where was I? Oh yes the nurses came and gave me a cup of pudding - (no teeth, you know...). as I was saying in one of my more lucid moments:

The American People have far less to fear from the Left - (Democrats) than they do from the Right (Republicans). Ask the folks at Ruby Ridge; ask the children at Waco; ask Elian Gonzales.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:31 AM

Hey, Dan Rather doesn't talk like that! Dan Ratherski must be the dark side of Dan Rather...

Nice to hear the word "bombast" though, not to mention "hyperbole". What marvelous words.

- LH

Kat - You need not fear for Canadian society as long as we remain an independent country. People are decidedly moderate up here, and are happy to mix socialism and capitalism into a harmonious brew. There just aren't enough conservative curmudgeons in this country to swing things their way on the federal level, although they did manage to get a provincial government elected in Ontario back in the 90's.

That government has since managed to damage the health care system and the educational system very severely in its efforts to chase, worship, and adore the almighty dollar...and people don't appreciate it one bit. The Conservatives don't have a dog's chance in hell of winning the next election in this province.

To put it simply, they have put their own government's financial house in order by eviscerating public services, and by downloading provincial expenses and responsibilities on municipal governments that cannot afford to pay those expenses in the first place. Call it "robbing Peter to pay Paul."

This was the program they ran on, and they called it the "common sense revolution". They were greatly assisted through the whole period by a bouyant American economy (which always helps Canada). Ironically enough, that American economic boom happened during Clinton's term of office, and Mike Harris'es Conservatives in Ontario hate Clinton and consider the Republicans to be their blood brothers. Funny, ain't it?

Now the US media is talking about a looming recession, just as Dubya gets ready to take over. Must be some kind of leftist plot to screw up his term of office! Either that, or it's the right laying the financial groundwork to cut what social services you have left and privatize absolutely EVERYTHING in the name of fiscal responsibility! Let's all get paranoid... Yes, soon you will have to hire your own private police (for a hefty fee), pay for every road you drive on (or walk), get thrown into debtor's prison if you can't, and so on...glorious free enterprise!

Recession? Phooey! The public should just refuse to play along and keep spending like usual, but I doubt that will happen.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Dan Ratherski
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 09:23 AM

Jacque, after your prior finger-pointing, name-calling, bombast, hyperbole, threats, fabrications, know-all attitude, condescending pats on the head for the good little 'lefties', and absolutely foolish provocation its really too funny to see you whining, pissing and moaning when someone answers you in kind. Get a bloody life, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: kendall
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 08:49 AM

Jaque is not a troll, or a flamer. He firmly believes what he says. Dont be too hard on him, he's young yet. I remember spouting the same right wing stuff years ago when I was a Barry Goldwater republican. Since then my mind has opened up..probably his will too! As I said to harpgirl, I will defend HIS right to his opinion too, unless I am obligated to shoot someone. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 08:26 AM

One way people tease their friends is to say things which will offend against their deepest principles, without really meaning them; and one way people stay friends with people with whom they disagree on deep isues is to make-believe that that is what is going on, and they don't really mean it.

When words turn to actions involving other people, that's when the line of friendship is crossed. I suppose that's why arguments about votes etc can get so heated, because in a way that's an action rather than just words.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 03:27 AM

GUEST Barry,

Re: your post of Jan. 2, 3:30 pm... I saw Uncle Jaques as being more of a Troll than a flamer, and that's what I said to him in my Dec. 30, 9:41 pm post.

Uncle Jaques, you flatter me. However, I do not have any control over Stackly.

How you behave in this forum, regardless of what your political views are, will determine what kind of experience you have here. This is as true for liberals as it is for conservatives, and it was true long before I ever got here. If you do some research in the inactive threads, you can see for yourself. I joined in July of 2000.

Carol

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 12:02 AM

lordy!...look what I missed being busy for a few day! I guess I won't even try to get in on this one......

(parts of this remind me of Bob Beers' song..

"By golly, by jingo, by gosh and by Jesus,
A man has the right for to do what he pleases"

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 09:57 PM

Ah, Jaques, save the tutu for your wife, m'thinks! And, I wasn't speaking of you specifically when I posted that balance thing.

Friends like Little Hawk's are the types I have been tracking and studying for years, as my family and friends are some of the first people they'd like to eliminate. While Hawk's friend may not get elected, those types and the groups they belong to, here in the States, are not to be taken lightly. They are dead serious and making inroads. Lest you think I am paranoid, I do not live in direct fear of them, although I have received hate mail from them for my op/ed columns. I fear for our society in general.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 09:44 PM

But the question is Rick........Does HE have a capo preference?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 09:39 PM

Hey "Hawk", I have a friend like yours. I'm his token "bleeding heart" and we get along famously. He's knowledgable about boxing, History (we obviously interpret it differently) and Toronto's Mob scene of the fifties and sixties. He's been drivin' a cab for 35 years and consequently sees a great deal of the dark side of human nature. The majority of my friends are at least somewhat "lefty" so I keep Peter FAR away from them! (B.G.)

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 09:28 PM

Kat/KL: "Swinging into a measured balance" is sort of what I was trying to do, here.... but it turned out like trying to perform the "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairys" accross a Serbian minefield! Well, you probably wouldn't like me much in a tuttu anyway. Especially a muddy, shredded, charred and smoking one with big chunks ripped out by shrapnel. Perhaps my attempted presentation of the olive branch while setting what seemed like reasonable limits could use some brushing up on; but don't count on (dare I say "us"?) grabbing the an...er,.. going belly-up.. as part of that routine. I could go dig up a bunch of counter-statistics and we could go on ad nauseum, but I really don't want to declare war with you - not that I'm particularly afraid of "losing", but I think too much of you for that. And that goes for nearly everybody weighing in on this.

I could go back to the bunker and swap the tuttu for the cammies, but I pray it never gets to that level with anybody, and it hardly seems called for here. Besides, don't we both have better things to do?

So Carol; if I get back in the closet, promise you won't sic Stackley on me again? Goood Stackley; down boy! Here's another freshly killed hyena... atta boy; behaaaave now!

Littlehawk: If you get along all right with that buddy of yours, you have my nomination for the annual tolerance awards! Now for all you gentle sports out there who have been labeling me as "Extreme", I want you to know that this fella is leaning WAAAay further out over the starbord rail than I have any intention of going! If you subscribe to the "circular continuum" theory, he's neither left nor right, but glommed on to the keel... with his teeth! Other than # 8 and #9 (which seem like reasonable propositions to me) I couldn't subscribe to any of his platform's planks. # 5, in some cases, is not a big problem; like the guy who recently returned to Maine to help round up all the dismembered body parts of about 3 of his known female victims in return for not having to serve out his time in Texas, where they were "harassing" the poor duckie. My sense of "mercy" and "tolerance" runs a little thin in those cases, and if that offends any, so be it, darn it! Before you get on your pulpit and criticize that attitude, dear hearts, go out and run under the blue lights for about 7 years, pick over the crime scenes, talk to the surviving victims, bag up the bodies, and go notify the next of kin in the middle of the night. Then come back here and give me spat about my "extremist attitude"!

Ok, I'm getting my dander up, here; pretty soon Stakley will be out of his cage and it might get ugly, as I've had about enough of him . Time to count to ten and reboot.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 07:59 PM

I can see the logic of trying to exclude tea and coffee - in fact it's a lot more logical than mainstream society banning grass while keeping alcohol and tobacco legal. Batty, but logical.

But kettles! I always thought Mormons were pretty keen on hot water and washing and that. The ones I've met always look like they are anyway.

And these Intel guys are the ones who make the chips? Good grief. No wonder they keeps crashing.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 07:29 PM

Richard Bridge, sounds to me like Intel has gone a bit overboard, but I suppose it was on the advice of their lawyers, so as to avoid lawsuits. I would love to have been there when your daughter made her comments; that would've been a sight!

I always say the only prejudice I was really raised with was for Mormons and sheepherders (some of them tried to get my great-granddad hung.) Usually they were one in the same and, this prejudice was in spite of one of my very favourite aunts being staunch LDS and, later, my ex-husband having been one. He and his family, btw, never waivered on the coffee, soda, etc.!

Also, having worked in Utah and having a dad who lives there, I can attest to the fact that coffee and other liquid "stimulants" are always available in the restaurants of which many are LDS-member owned. So, Intel is just being silly, IMO.

Thanks for letting us know what happened. Does this mean my Pentium prcoessor is Ultra-PC?**BG**

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 07:09 PM

Wowee! Quite a thread.

Midchuck - I like your thoughts on this one, back in the early postings.

Everybody - I have a folkie friend here in Orillia who is SO right-wing that he can't find anyone to vote for...he says they're all too far to the left for him. He would like to run the government himself...and here's what he says he would do:

1. Deport ALL foreigners, specially Asians and blacks. (He actually emigrated here from Scotland, but that doesn't count.)

2. Ban mixed marriages (he means mixed race, not male and female).

3. Put gays back in the closet where they belong, and shoot 'em if they put up a fuss about it.

4. Have at least one firearm in every household so decent people can protect themselves.

5. Feed all prisoners on bread and water, with no parole ever. And lots and lots of capital punishment, of course.

6. Tell the major corporations to share the wealth...and if they don't, shoot their board of directors (I kind of like that one).

7. Ditto for the banks (again, I sort of sympathize).

8. Lay off 95% of the government workers, and have private industry take over their jobs.

9. Shut down the labour unions.

10. Shoot anyone who disagrees with the above agenda.

The scary thing is, I think he means it. However, he is not going to get elected, so I'm not worried...and actually he is a good friend anyway, and really quite a pleasure to know, as we tend to like the same music.

His bark is worse than his bite, in my experience.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Midchuck
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 03:59 PM

...THere was no kettle or tea or coffee. SHe complained that these would be merely courtesy to those incoming until they had time to buy their own, and was firmly told that they could not possibly be provided in case an incoming person was a Mormon nad was offenc=ded by the presence of "stimulants". SHe was told that the Mormon religion prihibited all stimulants. SHe retorted that with all those wives, you'd have thought they needed them, and seemed to cause near apoplexy.

My daughter, who lives in Salt Lake, told me a joke that's quite popular there.

The story is that you must never take one Mormon fishing with you. Two or more is fine, but never just one.

He'll drink up all your beer.

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 03:30 PM

So CC, Stack's a flamer but Jaque's OK? Can't say as I see much difference 'twixt the two.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jan 01 - 02:56 PM

Dear Kat/Katlaughing

Maybe there should be another thread on religious tolerance (personally I abominate most organised religions with fairly equal fervour, having as a teenager had a religious phase and later coming to the conclusion that all orgainsed religions were forces of repression, but that is another story. You want to worship, that's fine, but don't hassle me to join your beliefs or set them up as better than my conscience.)

My daughter just joined Intel and was obliged to go to the USA to be inducted etc. Upon arrival she was put in a corporate flat (that's apartment, for those of you who prefer AMerican to ENglish), briefly. THere was no kettle or tea or coffee. SHe complained that these would be merely courtesy to those incoming until they had time to buy their own, and was firmly told that they could not possibly be provided in case an incoming person was a Mormon nad was offenc=ded by the presence of "stimulants". SHe was told that the Mormon religion prihibited all stimulants. SHe retorted that with all those wives, you'd have thought they needed them, and seemed to cause near apoplexy. She has since ben formally reprimanded for wishing a passer -by a "Merry Christmas" in case that might not ahve been thier religion.

Sorry about the typing.