US/British planes fire on Iraq (closed)

Subject: RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq
From: GUEST,norton1
Date: 25 Feb 01 - 11:21 PM

Johan - Good point - It wasn't meant the way I wrote it. I get a tad steamed when the uninitiated take a shot at veterans. And when I'm steamed I'm not always literate. I don't really give a shit if the war is right or wrong. To the folks that fight them there needs to be some sense of purpose - a learning if you will - or else why not just shoot oneself and be done with it. We figured that those that went had a right to anything that might help them survive it psychologically. To many who fought in Viet Nam the dead were the lucky ones. And when they came home they killed themselves in record droves.

Fionn -- I'm glad you missed the war. One less client I get to deal with. I don't equivocate on much.

To the rest - It is a semantical debate. All war oriented killing is terrorism. It's meant to be. If one's opponents aren't terrorized they aren't apt to run away and lose. And the "State" is the one the "people" who's country it is that decides on the level of terrorism and the method of delivery of the terrorism. And there is no glory - at least not from what I have read here. We are all apalled by what goes on in our names. At least I am and how I read the rest seems congruent with that. And "Folk Song's" roots are deeply imbedded in that sense of what war was/is for the common troop. Even the wars for voting rights, fair pay for farm workers, migrant rights, and any other thing you can think of. I think this is, of all places, THE forum for the discussion of war. At the very least it should be the musical reminders of what we don't want occuring again.

Subject: RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq
From: Skeptic
Date: 26 Feb 01 - 01:15 AM

Fionn,

I've seen Ramsay Clark fending questions at hostile meetings, and I'm with Cern. In my view Clark was impressive, and his critics seemed to have little in the way of facts to hit him with.

Or don't bother. In much the same way a scientist's doesn't bother to argue with the guy who created the perpetual motion machine.

Which is unfair because some of his facts are real and quite legitimate, as are some of his charges (which are often ignored) and should be investigated. I just distrust his motives and find that he has a habit of adding 2 plus 2 and getting a kitchen sink. That tends to prejudice his case, allows his valid charges and facts to be dismissed with his less documented and less well reasoned accusations. This further's the cause of peace how?

Regards

John

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