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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Mooh Date: 21 Feb 01 - 06:41 PM Yeah Kat, but it's kinda like preaching to the choir, ain't it? Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Feb 01 - 06:57 PM I think he ought to keep on scoring on that success. Why not go see the Fleet people and market the "Eminmen Enema?" Just listen to this CD folks and it'll give you the shits. Or maybe he could approach the M&M folks for his own line of candies, even in a new color......all white. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Lady McMoo Date: 21 Feb 01 - 07:06 PM Hey 'Spaw, that's hard on us who need our regular colonoscopy checks! Easy there man! mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Sorcha Date: 21 Feb 01 - 07:26 PM I don't know the eminem (could that possibly be spelled "emena"?), but it sounds like a $$$$$Persona to me. See the WWF, RAW, etc. For some reason (that "most of us like???", entertainment has turned very dirty.
Yes, '50's was radical, yes, Chuck Berry and Elvis were radical......but not ugly. I am with Kim C on this one. It would be interesting to know just why........ "Why" is ugly cool? "Why" is dirty now nice? "Why" is fake now better than real? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Matt_R Date: 21 Feb 01 - 11:20 PM Well it was very Z-inducing. DAMN Radiohead didn't win Album of the year! That pissed me off. Oh well, at least the Moby performance rocked! |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: leprechaun Date: 21 Feb 01 - 11:45 PM Hang down your head Slim Shady. Hang down your head and cry. Hang down your hear Slim Shady. Poor boy you're bound to die. or Don't fuck with Dooley. Tom Dooley's gonna kill you. For our generation to piss off our parents, all we need was love, and unrestricted sex, and maybe some THC, and a few other chemicals. How the hell are our kids gonna top that? By glorifying criminality even more than we did. All they need is hate and violence, and bitches and ho's, and gats and drive-bys, and rape drugs, and yay, and pimpin' ain't easy. Between Satan music and Gangsta rap, we have a large segment of our youth who have magnified our own cynicism and made it fashionable to be sociopaths. A sociopath only cares about one person. Note the self-centered narcissism of almost every rap song, not just Eminem's. Once a sociopath stops caring about that one person, they get to become an even more glorified icon of the new generation, a psychopath. We've seen psychopaths at work at Thurston and Columbine High Schools. It's amazing it doesn't happen more often. So what are Eminem's kids gonna do to piss him off? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: jaze Date: 22 Feb 01 - 12:37 AM "He's not the most dangerous thing in music today"..Then God help us ...what is? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Robo Date: 22 Feb 01 - 12:49 AM Maybe it's whatever it is that makes his "art" turn stomach. Rob-o |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,SeanM, sick of resetting cookies Date: 22 Feb 01 - 02:30 AM Hi all... My take on all this? I'd say the main reason that the lad is getting so much flak is due to the popularity. This is where I think that the folk-Eminemineminem comparison has the problem. I DO think that songs like "Banks of the Ohio" and the like would cause an uproar, but only if they were as widespread and widely played as Emineminemineminem's stuff is, and (perhaps more importantly) folk was a format that parents were uncomfortable with. Honestly? I really believe that if the ol' boy hadn't latched on to the promotion machine and stayed a minor player in the recording industry, NOONE would care. While extreme, his lyrics aren't anywhere as bad as some other rap lyrics are. I'll GUARANTEE you that if you look around (NWA, Professor Griff etc), you'll find lyrics with more vitriol, homophobia, mysoginy, racism, etc. than ANYTHING that Eminem has put out. Now... I also don't defend his lyrics as "good" or inoffensive either. Personally, I really think he sucks. However, I also don't think he's as "extreme" as he's been painted. He's merely cursed with being highly visable and popular. Now... if you want 'extreme'... go look up GG Allin & the Murder Junkies. Now HE was a sick bastard. And stay outta my early punk collection. It's all Tipper-friendly. Really. Honestly. M |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Pseudolus Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:09 AM Leprechaun, What are eminem's kids gonna do to piss him off? Perhaps if he has a son, he will come home one day and say, "Dad, I'd like you to meet my fiancee.....Bob... Ohhh, I'd love to be there for that one!!!! Frank |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Grab Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:25 AM The rap "Stan" (I'm not going to get into the argument over whether rap is a song or not, but it's certainly a rap :-) is actually pretty potent. The protagonist is obsessed by a pop star, and drives off a bridge with his wife in the boot of the car ("trunk" of the car for Americans). Not exactly a peaceful loving song. But the protagonist dies, and he was very obviously a twisted individual anyway. Doesn't sound too much like glorifying it, any more than the film "Falling Down" glorified a twisted person flipping out. Much better than many folk/blues songs which often don't give any consequences of the murder. As an example, can anyone tell me how many wife-killings were caused by Hendrix singing "Hey Joe"? See how daft it is? Sure, maybe homophobes will listen to the music for that, in the same way nutters in the 70s may have listened to Anarchy in the UK or other similar songs from the Sex Pistols and other punk bands. But ppl who aren't nutters are going to think "Oh, I'd better kill someone today", and anyone who is already a nutter is going to do it anyway, they're just looking for an excuse. Grab. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:31 AM Gee Matt, I heard that there were some real bright spots and highlights at the awards. Joni Mitchell was voted "Performer Most Likely To Wind Up As A Dried-Up Applehead." And the special thing with Bono and U-2 as the "Group Most Likely To Turn-Up on Other Artists' Tributes." Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:35 AM I'm not an Eminem fan. Or a Marilyn Manson fan (although his music is slightly better). I thought both of their stage performances were jokes. I read a very good article a while ago (in the Mirror, of all papers!) about an Eminem concert. Apparently the audience was mostly middle to upper-middle class teenage girls, lapping up the "rebelliousness" of it all as it's so far removed from their nice suburban lifestyles. The journalist considered it all a big show in the style of the shock rockers who have gone before: Ozzy bit the head of a bat (albeit alledgedly unknowingly); Eminem was questioned about popping a probable asprin onstage and pretending it was E. Jim Morrison was arrested for obscenities onstage; Eminem sings about murder. Certain bands are always out to shock, and as for being a danger to society, well no one takes bands like Iron Maiden seriously, so they? Did they? Isn't Eminem just the next in a long line? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:39 AM (ooops - for "so" in the last line, read "do") |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Steve Latimer Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:41 AM |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: LR Mole Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:43 AM And spring, and age, will come... |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:49 AM Spaw - you mean Bono can take time off from saving the world from debt and misery to collect an award? Phew - what a guy! |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Kim C Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:57 AM Fibula, I saw Iron Maiden in concert, oh, probably 16 years ago maybe? I don't recall what any of their lyrics were about, but let me tell you, those were a bunch of guys what could Play Their Instruments. I never did care for that screaming style of singing - but it was some of the best heavy rock guitar playing I ever saw in my life. I don't recall they did anything shocking on stage, they just stood there and did their thing. My boyfriend at the time played in a heavy metal band so I went with him to some concerts, even though I wasn't a great fan. Of all the shows I went to see with him, Kiss and Iron Maiden were probably the two best. I agree with Sean that if Eminem hadn't got into the publicity we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. I didn't watch the award show. I was hanging out on PBS watching a splendid documentary on Abe and Mary Lincoln. :) Thanks for all your comments, folks. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: KingBrilliant Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:00 AM I really hated hearing Hammerite (9) & her friends play the eminem CD - very graphic sexual imagery etc. And tons of gratuitous swearing. I was telling her how disgusting I found it the other day, and what utter crap I thought it was. She wondered how come, then, I was quite happy to let her listen to (& sing along with) Ian Dury & the Blockheads' [F**** Ada, Plaistow Patricia etc]? Got me there, kid. I'd like to think the two things are vastly different - but I'm not sure how far I'd convince her... Of course, Ian Dury was a genius, and very sorely missed. Kris |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock Date: 22 Feb 01 - 11:07 AM Kim C - I agree with you about Iron Maiden (and any band that does Jethro Tull covers has my vote) - I was a metaller too! I meant their lyrics and stage presence (e.g. "Daughter to the Slaughter" and Eddie on stage) - it had the Daily Mail readers worried at the time, but none of the fans turned out evil, unless you count dodgy fringes. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Russ Date: 22 Feb 01 - 11:12 AM All of us of a certain age have heard all this before. Yes, we do sound like our parents. As always, in discussions like this there are a number assumptions which range from questionable to really silly. 1st assumptions about Eminem 1. Eminem intends for his songs to have a moral message. 2. The message is clear and unequivocal. 3. The message is the opinion of the singer. 2nd about the world we live in 4. The message in Eminen's song is clearly and unequivocally "bad" by some universal and reasonable criteria of "badness." 5. It is bad for people to express bad messages. 3rd about Eminem's audience 6. Eminem's audience correctly understands the message 7. They are listening to his music for moral guidance. 8. They will do "bad" things on the basis of the moral guidance they receive from his music. 9. Eminem's music is a cause of these "bad" things rather than a symptom. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Gary T Date: 22 Feb 01 - 11:23 AM By George, Russ, I think you've got it! Anyone got a rope? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Jeri Date: 22 Feb 01 - 04:58 PM I was looking for the song Woody Guthrie wrote that had the cop-killing bit in it, and found this one, MEAN TALKING BLUES instead. I don't know who harvested that one, but maybe Art was "channeling" Woody. Songs are written by the younger generation sometimes just to piss off the older/establishment folks. This is traditional. I seem to remember songs being considered controversial and being banned from airplay when I was younger. The thing is, they were our songs, so they were better. Matt, I agree with you about Moby Grape last night - they absolutely kicked ass! (And if that wasn't a traditional song they did, it sure sounded like one.) |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST Date: 22 Feb 01 - 05:16 PM eminem is a stupid wigger mother folker Woody Guthrie Wanna be |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Jim the Bart Date: 22 Feb 01 - 05:31 PM Jeri - you were kidding when you added "Grape", right? Another "pop" star, pushing the limits of the older generation's tolerance. Elvis. Jerry Lee. Mick Jagger. Jim Morrison. Iggy Stooge. Alice Cooper. Ozzy Osbourne. Now it's Kid Rock, Snoop Dog & Eminem. The thing that really bothered me last night (other than some of the "fashion")was Steely Dan winning for best album. A great victory for the old, safe and familiar. Also for the irrelevant. Flatulent, watered-down soul/jazz muzick. Matt - you're wrong about Eminem but right about Radiohead. "Kid A" is strong stuff. Bart |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Jeri Date: 22 Feb 01 - 05:40 PM Bart - well, they had Blue Man Group out there, who are sort of grape colored. Sure it was on purpose! Did you think I just sort flashed back to a different group and "Grape" slipped out? That's what happened. Now, what was the name of the song, please? |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Matt_R Date: 22 Feb 01 - 05:45 PM Jeri, Moby is just Moby! Lol! And he's just one guy...the bald, rather unseeming gent in the jeans & sweatshirt. He never sings or anything...he's more of DJ-like mixer Techo-god, like The Chemical Brothers or Fatboy Slim. His latest album "Play" has a lot of techno versions of old blues recordings. Moby is a really intelligent guy if you ever get to hear him speak. And I love his fashion-sense...my kinda guy. Bart...I'm not sure what you mean about me being "wrong" about Eminem. I'd don't like him, and there's no two ways about it. Seems theres a lot of Eminem-defending on this thread...I'm not sure why I get such heat over Oasis... Oh well. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Jim the Bart Date: 22 Feb 01 - 06:43 PM Matt - I meant that he isn't a killer, he is an artist; whether a good one or not is anyone's opinion. Last summer I sat down with my sister-in-law's step-son (got that?) who was listening to some pretty radical stuff in the rap/death metal vein. Eminem was the only one I can remember specifically. To make a long story short, I just wanted to listen to try to figure out if this stuff was truly evil or just a bunch of hooey. What struck me was a spoken "disclaimer" of sorts that Eminem has on the front of his song killer. He says that this stuff is just his music and that you shouldn't mistake it for reality. It's the same kind of acknowledgment of theatricality that Kiss showed when they would do their bow at the end of a concert. Sure his stuff is hate-filled; but what people who don't listen miss is that it mostly the kind of self-loathing, angst riddled sh*t that seems to connect for a lot of teenagers. Take the song he did last night on the Grammies. He's speaking for a lot of unwanted, unloved kids and he's doing it quite eloquently. He's talking about the false hero-worship that a lot of black tee-shirted latch-key kids have been lugging around with them. And the disillusionment that they get back in return. Who else is even acknowledging that these kids exist before they decide to blow up their school? The question people should be asking after last night is not "why is this guy on the Grammies?" It should be "why does this music connect with so many young people?" I think that the vocal on the recording of the song that Moby did last night (the part sang by the woman singer, who's name I don't know) was a sample of an old blues tune from the archives. It's almost as scary as Ralph Stanley singing "Oh, Death" in "Brother, Where Art Thou?". later, all Bart |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Jim Dixon Date: 22 Feb 01 - 07:05 PM Funny that so much discussion has taken place already and nobody has posted any lyrics or any links to them. Well, here are two: Eminem Song Lyrics Source: New Eminem Lyrics eminem lyrics Here's the song called "Stan," which eminem and Elton John performed at the Grammys last night. I believe Elton sang the chorus, the lyrics of which are given in italics here, and eminem did the rest. Here's the other site's transcription of "Stan" |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: artbrooks Date: 22 Feb 01 - 09:37 PM "carrier of folk torch"? Visualize {index finger stuck down throat}...or don't if you'd rather not. It's a business, and if nobody buys his stuff, he'll either change or go away. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: leprechaun Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:15 PM Jeri - I looked at that Woody Guthrie song you linked. The last verse mentions Mike Tyson, who probably wasn't even born before Woody Guthrie died. Somebody's messing with that song. In Woody's book, he wrote, "Never trust a smiling cop." I can't deny the artistry of Eminem's "Stan," on the album or with Elton John at the Emmy's. What pisses me off about Eminem and most rappers is the arrogant, pugnacious attitude. Every rap song seems to spew out this "I am the baddest and I'll kick your ass" attitude. I guess that pisses me off because I happen to know that I really am the baddest and I will kick your ass, but only if you force me to. I don't feel the need to threaten or intimidate or insult people or bruit it about that I have this vicious animal in me just waiting to get out. I trust that animal to come out when I need it, but I would feel unmanly if I couldn't contol it. And I think it's unmanly to constantly present that disrespectful, angry, intimidating attitude to the world. I think it's sick to get off on frightening people. And most rap songs seem to revel in frightening people. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Matt_R Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:19 PM Coldplay. Travis. Lifehouse. Check them out. And smile. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Alice Date: 22 Feb 01 - 10:59 PM I still say rap is not music. Speaking to a beat with words that rhyme is not a song. I saw a bit of the Elton John and the "em" guy performance last night. As he mumbled into the mic I thought, "That ain't workin...". Anyway, what Elton John was doing and what Eminem was doing seemed so incongruous, they didn't belong in the same performance. It seemed to be someone's idea to get more people to watch a rather dull awards show. Knowing many people who have been through cult experiences of different kinds and are now trying to get back their sanity and sense of self, I do know that alot of mental programming can be done with words that rhyme to a beat repeated over, and over, and over... To the vulnerable person, it fills a void and makes them feel empowered to be able to identify with someone like eminem. I remember rebelling when I was young by singing "All you need is love" while bombs dropped in Viet Nam. I'm too aware of people who rebel against the older generation by glorifying criminal behavior. I see Eminem's pop success as some rap industry people making lots of money, nothing really about free speech, although that is their excuse for producing and promoting it. Elvis could sing. He made music. Eminem doesn't. He just spouts off for the shock value. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Lepus Rex Date: 23 Feb 01 - 01:12 AM "Rap is not music" ??? See, that's just silly. Who are you, or who am I, to judge what is and what is not music? Maybe you don't understand this music, but that's because of your own limitations, not the music's. I listen to music from... say, Badakhshan. To me, it sounds beautiful. To someone in Dargh, it might sound beautiful. To some Eminem fan from Wichita, it probably sounds like some old crone, screeching inarticulately and slapping a drum. It's probably not the Eminem fan's thing, right? He might be heard to say something like: "That's not music, that's shit. Some old woman with no talent." But is she? Perhaps she is one of the most respected singers and dâyra players in her region. So, is he, this Eminem fan from Wichita, correct when he says "that's not music?" No. He's just ignorant of anything that's not urban and American. So his opinion on this old woman from Badakhshan isn't important to her, to me, to you, or to the world. He is wrong. Don't be an Eminem fan from Wichita. ---Lepus Rex (up the irons:P) |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Lady McMoo Date: 23 Feb 01 - 05:38 AM My daughter has a fair number of rap records, none of which are "gangsta rap". Far from not being music, I'd go as far as to say some are excellent and enjoyable and just as much a valid musical form as "folk" (whatever that might be - (;>)) But as for Eminem, he's just a plonker... mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,UB Dan Date: 23 Feb 01 - 09:35 AM What about the old tradition of talking blues...is that music. I'd certainly like to think so. As for the boasting and bragging, rap grew out of a sort of battle of the DJ's. In the same way that groups would compete in break dancing, rap was a sort of competition. Most of the time when a rapper is boasting and bragging he is boasting about his skills as a rapper...of course gangsta rap also involves boasting about virility. Think of each time Ulysses (greek not irish) each time he introduces himself he lists all of his accomplishments and tells everybody how great he is, and every time he meets a woman....and its all done in rhyme |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Kim C Date: 23 Feb 01 - 09:47 AM Remember Aerosmith? "Walk This Way"? Rap if ever I heard it. Seems like one of the rap groups actually did a version of this song not too awfully long ago. I have heard it argued before that rap is a type of folk music because it supposedly expresses the values/concerns/etc. of a particular group of people. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with that. I just got the Coldplay CD. I really dig it. :) |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Grab Date: 23 Feb 01 - 09:51 AM |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 23 Feb 01 - 09:59 AM Yeah, it was Aerosmith with Run-DMC, they remade it back around 1988. Though I must say that the part that Run-DMC rapped on just didn't have the same character as when Aerosmith did it solo. Remember Kim, let the CD play to hear the secret track "Life Is For Living". |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Grab Date: 23 Feb 01 - 10:03 AM Cheers for the link, Jim. For those who didn't follow the link, the song after "Stan" is called "Who knew" - a few extracts...
... Still reckon the guy's got nothing useful to say? I personally don't like his style of music that much, but he can write. Dylan couldn't sing either (still can't), but he wrote some fine lyrics. Incidentally Matt, Moby is a fine guitar player - he did some acoustic bits on a live show over in the UK last year. Grab. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Steve Latimer Date: 23 Feb 01 - 10:04 AM I once heard someone say that Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues was the first Rap song. Interesting thought. "Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift". |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 23 Feb 01 - 10:11 AM It looked like it, Grab! He was playing bass and singing backup...I'd love to have heard him do some acoustic stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Kim C Date: 23 Feb 01 - 03:50 PM I've heard Michael Martin Murphey say that "Chisholm Trail" is a rap song. To prove his point he actually performed it that way. It was a stitch! :) |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Alice Date: 23 Feb 01 - 04:01 PM I call it a genre of poetry, including talking blues, but I still don't call it music; music may be in the background, but I stand by my opinion. We have had previous thread debates on the subject of rap, here's one - Is Rap Folk? click here Just because I say something isn't music, that it's poetry, doesn't mean I am invalidating it as an artform. It's just a different art than music. Poetry with musical accompaniment, then. Mouth music is not the same as speaking. Rap is speaking, even when music is added or singing is interspersed with the poetry. You're not going to change my mind on this, so let me have my opinion and you can have yours. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,tiggerdoooley Date: 23 Feb 01 - 04:19 PM "I searched 'till I found them/ Then I cursed at the sight/ Of their sleeping shadows in the cold neon light/ In the dark morning silence/ I placed the gun to her head/ She wore red dresses but now she lay dead..." Dwight Yoakam, 'Buenas Noches from a Lonely Room', 1988. Ban this little punk! Who does he think he is, polluting our children's minds with this mysoginistic filth. Hatred and violence have no place in music....... (Look for a similar scenario in the song 'Guilty Conscience' by Eminem. He handles it much the same.) |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Kim C Date: 23 Feb 01 - 04:24 PM One of my favorite Marty Robbins songs is "They're Hanging Me Tonight," about a fella who kills his "pretty Flo and that good for nothin man." Just for the record, I have no opinion on rap. But I like hearing everyone else's. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: GUEST,MAV Date: 23 Feb 01 - 11:07 PM Folks, The media has spelled his name wrong. It's actually............................. ENEMA!!!!! Rap is crap.
mav out |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Lepus Rex Date: 24 Feb 01 - 01:56 AM Yeah, that equally hilarious the first several times people said it on this thread, Mav. :P And Alice, ok, that's your opinion. But what about the, oh, I don't know, 99% of rappers who would consider what they do to be "music" or "singing?" Are they wrong? And at what point would you consider their work to be "musical?" What would the artist have to be doing differently? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: Alice Date: 24 Feb 01 - 05:28 PM Well, Lepus Rex, remember the stereotype of beatniks reciting their poetry to bongo rhythm accompaniment in coffee houses? Remember Allan Ginsberg reciting poetry to the drone of an Indian shruti box? It was even called "beat", but it was still poetry. Then, the urban form of poetry that we call rap came to the awareness of the recording industry, and geez, you couldn't call it poetry, that's too intellectual, too uncool, too hard to sell. It's my opinion that marketing people decided to call it music instead of poetry. Even though it is spoken with musical accompaniment soundtracks, backup singers, etc., speaking is not singing, poetry is poetry, and I'm sorry the recording industry chose to call it music instead of what it is - kids would think poetry is "cool" if they had. But, poetry is egghead, music is cool, so it is called music in order to sell more of it. |
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Subject: RE: Eminem carrier of folk torch? From: tiggerdooley Date: 24 Feb 01 - 05:37 PM It's more than speaking and it's not quite singing. "Ooooh!" That's why it's got it's own name - it's rap, and he's darn good at it. He's not just talking, he's pattering out some amazing rhythms and rhymes with his clever choice of words. I don't want to over-intellectualize it, but seeing as we're all picking it apart, then I'm gonna have to. |
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