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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Great Lakes Tim Date: 06 May 01 - 08:24 PM Hey, I've been lookin' for this thread for over a month now, but think I got it figured out now. I'm a definite for Saturday, May 26 3pm (I'll be one of the early birds to help with the rearrangin'. I'd flood the ground beneath me with tears if I couldn't be there! Wish I could come durin' the summer too, but have my doubts about makin' the trip from Cleveland with gas price predictions as they are ($2.50 a gallon!). As far as privateers go, one of my ancestors relatives, Isreal Thorndike from Maine, was a privateer, but I believe that was the Revolution, not in The War of 1812. I was readin' in the Cleveland newpaper today that the 2001 Great Lakes Tall Ships Challenge includes a dozen or so sailing vessels that will dock in Cleveland (July 11-16) as well as in 6 other ports. Thus Cleveland will hold the first annual Cleveland Harborfest. Among the family entertainment we've got chantey singers, a steel drum band, jugglers and the like. Know anyone who's comin' to fill the spot of (Crankey Yankee, please don't cringe) "chantey singers"? If the accounts are right, we're expecting Canada's brigs Fair Jeanne & St. Lawrence II, schooners True North & Bluenose II, Playfair and Pathfinder, Ukraine's Bat Kivschyna, and the US's schooners Grand Nellie, Pride of Baltimore II, Red Witch & Highlander, plus the HMS Tecumseh (a modern replica of the 19th century British war schooner) and the US Brig Niagara, a reconstruction of Perry's ship measuring 198'. If anyone's interested, let me know and I'll help find places to put you up! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 03 May 01 - 07:04 PM Edmund – We'll look forward to welcoming you aboard! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Edmund Thomas Date: 03 May 01 - 06:11 PM You can count us in for two. Edmund Thomas (soon to be a MudCat member, I hope, once I can overcome some technical problems. I look forward to meeting everybody.) |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Brían Date: 03 May 01 - 08:45 AM I typed the first one wrong, but you'll get the idea. Brían |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Brían Date: 03 May 01 - 08:43 AM For info about our famous observatoryclick here and, here. Brían |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 02 May 01 - 05:54 PM Last time people brought refreshments, beer, and some grog balls, and then ordered pizza. Barry, we'd love to see you, and hear you again, but pace yourself. We could sing our special "Leaving of Liverpoole" set...;-) |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Jeri Date: 02 May 01 - 05:41 PM Well, I'll be there. Barry, if you need a lift, let me know. (And I won't mind a last minute notice.) |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: SINSULL Date: 02 May 01 - 05:13 PM Now I will have to come. I'll bring the cranberry juice (and a little vodka for those who imbibe). |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 02 May 01 - 04:55 PM Oh Boy, Charlie! If Barry's gonna be there we'd better make sure we have lots of room for those who want to see him. Kendall, tell Gordon we have no more room! (Just kidding, of course!) Barry, I hope the gods don't laugh at these plans! I'm looking forward to seing you and Justine (I assume she will be performing chauffer duty.)
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Barry Finn Date: 02 May 01 - 04:22 PM Hi Charlie, It's possible that I may make this one too but most of what I do these days has to wait till the last minute till I really know. "We make plans & the Gods Laugh". Reguardless, if last time proves to be the norm, it should be a great time. Good Luck Barry |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 02 May 01 - 02:01 PM Mary, you let me know what time you are coming in and I'll get you to the sing! The Burnham Taxi Service is up and running. Fare is one song while in transit, or later at the event.
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: mej Date: 02 May 01 - 12:34 PM I'm also planning on taking the bus up from Boston. Is there a local bus line that connects the Greyhounds terminal on Congress Street to the China Sea (but doesn't involve "rounding the Horn")? Mary in Boston
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 02 May 01 - 08:41 AM And Edmund, I'm sure that some of the singers will still want to do some singing later that evening after we adjourn (if we adjourn) from the China Sea Marine Trading Co. Now I spoke again to Capt. Bunker at the store and the time and date seem fine; he and Sharon are looking forward to some more robust singing. Again, this is not a concert but more a swap of nautical songs with some "facilitation" to break up brawls. ;-) We'd like to know who is definitely coming! From Roll & Go we have: Brett Burnham, Norris Dale, Eli Dale, Dick Dufresne, and Charlie Ipcar and maybe two others Others expressing interest above were: Kendall Morse, Uncle Jaque, Cranky Yankee, Brian Hoye, Dahlin, Julia & Fred, Jeri, Joy, Great Lakes Tim and I may have missed a few. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 01 May 01 - 11:12 PM Edmund Thomas, you have the time, date, and place correct. On Friday afternoon and evening at the Press Room in Portsmouth is a weekly music session. And, apparently, on Sunday is another somewhere in New Hampshire. Bat Goddess and Curmudgeon are running it so I can't do any more than point you to the above posts. See you in Portland! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: kendall Date: 01 May 01 - 10:38 PM It is on Saturday... by all means, come. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Edmund Thomas Date: 01 May 01 - 08:32 PM This sounds fabulous. My wife and I would like to come down from Ottawa. I haven't done any chantey singing since I visited the Victoria Nautical Song Circle in Victoria, British Columbia a couple of years ago. I got a bit confused with all the postings, so I would like to confirm the location and timing: China Sea Marine Trading Co. at 10 Dana St. in the Old Port on Saturday, 26 May 01, starting at approximately 4 p.m. Any chance of further musical happenings that evening or on Saturday? Edmund Thomas
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Les from Hull Date: 01 May 01 - 05:51 PM The Cruizer class of brig sloops, the largest class of warships ever built in the age of sail carried 16 32pdr carronades. And they were only 100 foot long. The carronade, although of large calibre was very short and recoiled on a slide (some were fitted with non-recoiling mountings). Nearly all RN sloops buit at this time were similar, as indeed were American sloops, such as Hornet and Argus. Schooners were built with even lighter scantings but could manage 12 or 18 pdr carronades. I only have details of American privateers captured and taken into RN service were smaller than LYNX (between 80 and 100 feet) and carried mostly 12s, usually about of them. The idea of a privateer schooner is to captured unarmed or lightly armed merchant ships, and avoid warships. Any fighting was done as closely as possible, usually by boarding - privateers had much larger crews than merchant vessels. And they didn't want to pound their opponent as it reduced the value of their capture. I suppose we'll know for sure if the schooner gets built. Les |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 01 May 01 - 01:50 PM I think I would have to disagree with you, Les. The carronade was a large caliber gun used for close fighting. The sloops of war, having light scantlings, were not intended for that work. I would guess a more historically accurate reproduction would have four pounders and a couple of long nines. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Les from Hull Date: 01 May 01 - 12:19 PM The status of John Paul Jones is a favourite subject of many. Americans see him as the 'Father the US Navy', and the first Captain of an US Naval Vessel. Of course, the British did not recognise Congress and its Continental Navy, and so could not have afforded him this status (except retrospectively). As he was born in our islands, he was regarded as traitor, a privateer at best, and a 'Scotch Pirate' at worst. A similar state of affairs arose in your Civil War when crews of Confederate Navy vessels and privateers were threatened with being hung as pirates, if taken by US Naval vessels. JPJ was a bit mercenary, you know, and later actually held a higher rank in the Russian Navy than the one he held in the Continental Navy! But the American Revolution isn't really my specialist subject. And anyway stuff about the American Revolution is too early for the 1812 War. I thought that the State of Maine reached a reasonable arrangement with the Royal Navy in that war. I'm not sure that you need a privateer! About Lynx's armament. Many sloops in the Royal Navy were of similar length and were armed with carronades, with possibly a couple of long nines as bow-chasers. So my guess would be 8 18pdr carronades a side. Les |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 01 May 01 - 11:10 AM Well, there are some great songs about John Paul Jones who while a regular commissioned U.S. Navy captain was refered to as a "privateer" by some and "pirate" by others. I'd like to hear more from Les. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Les from Hull Date: 01 May 01 - 09:09 AM Privateering songs, not quite but there's 'Constitution and Guerriere'. I only sing the 'Shannon and Chesapeake' which was written sort of in answer to the original, but then I'm just an English bigot! I hope that your privateer makes it through our blockade.**BG**
Les from Hull (home of Sea Fever, probably the best Shanty Festival in |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 30 Apr 01 - 11:33 AM Ooh! Ooh! Count me in for Tune It Or Die! How about a thread with the particulars? |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 30 Apr 01 - 11:27 AM I knew it was risky holding this thing on Memorial day Week-end; we'll miss you, Bat Goddess and Curmudgeon, along with the others that are tied up with traditional family outings. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Bat Goddess Date: 30 Apr 01 - 10:36 AM Arghh!! Looks like Curmudgeon & I are going to miss this shanty sing, too. The very next day (27 May, Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend) is our traditional mostly ANNUAL (always that date) Tune It Or Die Music Party and Ladyslipper Festival at the old homestead in Nottingham, NH. And I'll still be making the place presentable on Saturday. (grrr...there's never enough time!) By the way, Mudcatters are invited to the party -- several of you have had the date to have been pencilled in since December or so. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 30 Apr 01 - 08:51 AM Uncle Jaque, the Antelope's guns were not "crack" 4 pounders but "cracked" 4 pounders, i.e., weak and prone to exploding when fired. Good question on the privateering songs. I'll have to do some research. Especially about the privateer from the coast of Maine (Dart(?) or Dash(?)). |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Uncle Jaque Date: 29 Apr 01 - 11:51 PM Re the LYNX: There were no flyers, just a poster tacked to an upright, and I think they would have taken umberage had I ripped it down and made off with it. But I did write down the following: Inquire of: Captain Alastair Doyne-Ditmas Rockport Marina PO Box 203 Rockport ME 04856 And don't quote me on the number of guns. I didn't write that down, but the # 18 seems about right. I guess 18 guns on a 122' ship would have to be fairly small, eh? Like "Crack 4-pounders" or something. They were looking for Gunners, as well as Seamen and Musicians, by the way. I think these feet are pretty well nailed to the land... The LYNX needs people with the experience and skill fellow Crew Members can rely on to save their hides when the chips are down and seas are high - which alas I do not possess... but GAWD I'd love to go! Anyone know any 1812 Privateering songs? (Besides "Barretts'") |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Apr 01 - 11:33 AM "Crew to man a 122' 18 gun Sq.Topsail Schooner the LYNX to be launched in ME this Summer." What! Who's doing this? Is this reality or some more wistful thinking? Come on, Uncle Jaque, bring back at least a copy of the flier. I have this vision of all these folk singers and aspiring shantysingers all lined up, donkey's breakfast over their shoulders, striped jerseys, sea chests full of Nutri-grain, concertinas, trying to convince the mate and captain that they should be signed on. Reminds me of the old riddle: how many shantymen does it take to change a sail? |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 29 Apr 01 - 11:05 AM Kendall, please do bring the dog but watch out for the cook. He isn't above adding unusual meats to round out the crew's menu. Race you to the top of the bulwark! That about as high as I would care to go. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Peg Date: 29 Apr 01 - 08:59 AM I might get on the bus and come up... |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Brían Date: 28 Apr 01 - 10:45 PM Whooooooooops! I didn't mean to start a rumour, Charlie. I'll see the usual suspects at The China Sea Marine Trading Co. on 05/26/01. I'll see you ruffians at the observatory in june. Brían |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: kendall Date: 28 Apr 01 - 10:05 PM I'd make that voyage on two conditions. I get to bring my dog, and I dont go aloft. Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm afraid of heights. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque in Camden ME Date: 28 Apr 01 - 09:37 PM Ahoy, all! I'm using the computer in the lobby of the Best Western Camden riverhouse Hotel here in scenic Camden, Maine where my RAFG (Responsible Adult Female Guardian), Daughter, her Friend Kyle an I are spending the night after a family outing. After explaining to the Manager what we were about, as they get a few musicians through here with more than a passing interest in the lore of the Sea, she extended an invitation to use the conference room here should we ever want to do this in Camden some time. It's big enough for around 25 comfortably i'd say, but a little "sterile" compared to China Seas. I'm thinking rain backup for an outside thing perhaps. She also suggested the Opera house & gave me a local contact well connected with Camden area resources. It gets kind of crazy up here in the Summer, but will file this info away for future refference.
Sorry about the confusion on date - don't have a calender right here but the 26th sounds about right - the Sat. of Memorial Day Weekend. And 1600 it is; hopefully I can get down there early enough to help clear decks - but my being anywhere on time, much less early, is usualy a miracle in itself!
Kendall: if you can get Gordon in tow...
We're not worthy;
We're not worthy;
We're not worthy;
But haul 'im in anyway!! He'll be most welcome and appreciated!
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: kendall Date: 28 Apr 01 - 10:52 AM Now that we know when and where, I'll invite Gordon, |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 28 Apr 01 - 10:46 AM Brian, Clarification! On 5/26/01 "we" will be gathering again at China Sea Marine Trading Co. at 10 Dana St. in the Old Port for more songs of the sea. In June Roll & Go begins hosting the 4th Sunday "Shanty Sings" at the Portland Observatory on Munjoy Hill. Roll & Go's next appearance at our informal "sing" at Ri-Ra's, a new smoke-free pub and restaurant on the waterfront next to the Casco Bay Lines, will probably take place on Tuesday, May 8th, 7 to 8:30 pm. So there you have it! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Brían Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:23 AM Well, Roll & Go: keep me posted. I've written 5/26/01 down in my planner. I'm looking forward to raising the rafters at the observatory again. Brían P.S.:let me know if anything is happening atRí-Rá's. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Brían Date: 28 Apr 01 - 12:15 AM |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 27 Apr 01 - 03:37 PM We can generally find places for people to crash over night in the Portland area, if you give us some advance notice. You see we have this buddy on the waterfront, name of Shanghai Brown. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 27 Apr 01 - 12:58 PM Sure, Mrrzy, stay over and join us in the observatory. I look forward to meeting you. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Mrrzy Date: 27 Apr 01 - 12:57 PM OOH, I might have to stay over. I'm supposed to be flying back East that Sunday, the 4th in August... |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 26 Apr 01 - 08:21 PM CY, the last one was not limited to chanties but mostly stuck to songs of the sea. Come along wth a song and we'll sing too. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Apr 01 - 06:37 PM Starting in June, Roll & Go will be leading a Shanty Sing at the Portland Observatory (an old wooden watchtower) on Munjoy Hill on 4th Sundays, 7 pm. We'll be running through September. Visitors are welcome whether they sing or not. Admission will be $4, proceeds going to Greater Portland Landmarks. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Mrrzy Date: 26 Apr 01 - 01:35 PM Any in August, when I will be there anyway? I went to the one in SF in January, it was a blast! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: CRANKY YANKEE Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:42 PM I'll try to be there, if you have a firms date. I'll get there at whatever time it is if I leave Newprt RI at 0800 and average 60mph. Please send me (at this thread) best Interstate routes to wherever it is that we're gong to be. OH BOY!!!!! Love and kisses to all. Jody Gibson old and very rare. We aren't going to sing JUST chanteys, are we?. Mr "Caboose stack" (Charley Noble) I'm looking forward to meeting you lot.
Source: "Caboose" Cooking room on the deck of a sailing merchant ship. Akin "cabin-cook"source, Century Dictionary. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: CRANKY YANKEE Date: 26 Apr 01 - 12:42 PM I'll try to be there, if you have a firms date. I'll get there at whatever time it is if I leave Newprt RI at 0800 and average 60mph. Please send me (at this thread) best Interstate routes to wherever it is that we're gong to be. OH BOY!!!!! Love and kisses to all. Jody Gibson old and very rare. We aren't going to sing JUST chanteys, are we?. Mr "Caboose stack" (Charley Noble) I'm looking forward to meeting you lot.
Source: "Caboose" Cooking room on the deck of a sailing merchant ship. Akin "cabin-cook"source, Century Dictionary. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Apr 01 - 11:51 AM I believe Sharon and Bunker, our gracious hosts at China Trading, are still expecting folks on Saturday, May 26th, starting about 4 PM as we did before. Some of us are planning to come in an hour early to help shift some of the inventory around. You know, the gunner's daughter, the bilge, not to mention the chock-a-blocks, stuff like that. I'll be there early. Charley aka Roll & Go-C |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 26 Apr 01 - 10:37 AM Refreshed with a question. Have we settled on the place date and time? Uncle Jaque asked for people to sign on for the 28th after which silence reigned supreme. I received a message from Kendall saying the Portland Harbor Museum is now open on weekends if we haven't settled on a venue yet. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:20 PM The "9" looks all right if you stand on your head, or do a back flip. Sorry, Joy, but maybe you can join us sometime this summer at one of the 4th Sunday Evening Shanty Sings at the Portland Observatory, beginning in June. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Joy Bennett Date: 11 Apr 01 - 01:26 PM Waaaa!! I wanna be there!!!! Maybe next time! |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: Naemanson Date: 11 Apr 01 - 11:14 AM Hey! You're right, Kendall. My calendar has the same problem. Maybe their calendar shows the 26th as being a Saturday. Maybe the "6" got printed upside down. I am planning to be there on the afternoon and evening of the 26th. That is the date I penned onto my calendar. |
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Subject: RE: Portland ME ChantySing II From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 01 - 11:07 AM There must be something wrong with my calendar, the 29th falls on a a Tuesday |
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