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Non Folk BS: Bread Makers
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Subject: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: GUEST,Emma Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:14 PM I know this isn't about folk music, so I hope you don't mind my asking. I've heard a lot (from advertisers) about bread making machines. It sounds too good to be true. I love home-made bread, but I don't like the effort. Are these devices the answer to my prayers? Advice from anyone who's tried one appriciated. Many thanks Emma |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:23 PM Micca has one... seems to be good. I prefer to knock seven shades of s**t out of my bread myself... Even if it tastes disgusting, I've had the fun and exertion of kneading it myself. Plus it cleans your fingernails out a treat and can even remove old nail polish! LTS |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: GUEST Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:23 PM I don't own a bread-maker but one guy at my work used to bring his in on overtime Saturdays and make bread for the whole group. It was terrific but he admitted it took a few tries before he figured out the optimum time on his particular machine. Sorry, I don't know the brand. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:24 PM Good if you get one that makes a double loaf, and if you are not too far above sea level. Avoid WelBuilt brand though. I'd suggest you ask at the nearest health food store, who is using what in your area. These machines will do nicely for one or two people. If you have a larger family that eats a lot of bread, though, it will get tiresome. We have a giant galvanized Amish bread bucket that is the hand-cranked version of these, and that's even easier to use. I guess it's about 3 gallons in size. Makes several large loaves at once. Dump in all the stuff, turn the crank (for 90 seconds or 3 minutes I think it was), and set it to rise right in the bucket. Repeat once it has risen, rise again, then punch down and shape loaves. Rise and bake. BadaBing BadaBoom. I have two actually. Might sell one. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: MMario Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM we have a Magic Chef -( though by preference I make bread by hand, - I usually bake bread when I WANT to whale the stuffing out of something) but having the breadmaker means other people in the family bake bread. We aren't using it as much as the first year we got it, because we discovered our bread consumption went WAY up. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: GUEST,Blind Desert Pete Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:28 PM I use mine as a dough maker. That is, I shape the final loaf by hand let it raise 45 min over the warm oven and bake in oven. This has given me a consistancy and repeatability that have raised my bread maki8ng to a new level. I never thought much of the bread it made IMO. To good to be true? fraid so. great doughmaker though. I use it once a week. BDP |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Sandy Paton Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:33 PM Let me tell you, bread machines are my way of cooking! Toss in the ingredients, push a button, and come back when the bell rings. In the meantime you may have read a few chapeters in a good book, written a few letters, learned a new song, or played on the Mudcat. Who needs the kneading when there's more to be done? I made hundreds of loaves up until about five years ago when I realized I was gaining gobs of weight (quit smoking) by pigging out on fresh bread, still warm from the machine. My family gobbled down my cheddar cheese bread like it was from Sara Lee. Friends who asked us over would suggest that I might bring along a loaf. Cinnamon/raisin was also a big favorite with the grandkids. I got myself a shelf of bread machine recipe books, etc. Then I reformed. Now I snack on carrot sticks and low-fat wheat thins. Haven't lost any weight, but I've slowed the rate of increase a bit. Sandy (the slob) |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Mr Red Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:40 PM Yea she's a farmer's daughter and bakes in a woodfired range. how she finds the time I dunno |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Helen Date: 16 Apr 01 - 06:47 PM My answer is yes and no. I have made some nice bread in it. Mine is a Breville, but that is probably just available in Oz. My favourite recipe is pesto bread, with added pine nuts and parmesan cheese. Second favourite is sun dried tomatoes and bacon. It's good for experimenting with different flavours and it is easy. I have never made home made bread from start to finish by hand, and probably wouldn't get organised enough to do it on a regular basis, so the bread machine suits me. It's better if you eat it on the day you bake it. It goes downhill quickly after the first day, which is why we eat lots more bread when we do make it in the machine. I haven't found a basic recipe which I am really happy with, yet. What I want is that really soft doughy white bread with a fine consistency, but what I get is the type which has large air holes. It tastes nice, but I like the other type. Maybe this is where hand kneading and baking in the oven might make a difference? Any comments/suggestions Blind Desert Pete, and others? We use it for making pizza dough, and also naan bread dough, etc. WYSIWYG, why does being near sea level make a difference? I live at sea level. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 07:00 PM Helen, we are pretty high up here in north central Pennsylvania, and can be affected by the same sorts of things camp cooks have to watch for in high altitude cooking. The laws of nature just work differently. Our area must be right on the edge of where it matters, because some people in the valley areas here have done fine on the machines, but the same machine lent to a friend will produce small, dense, ucky loaves. So we decided that we would do better making it the old way when we had three growth-spurting teens in the house. With the store far from home, bread had to be reliable. You can control the variables better with bread made my hand. I imagine the recipes I eventually worked out would not quite work at different altitudes. BTW, we see other effects in people here from the altitude differences too. Some people just cannot tolerate living on the ridges, and others shudder in the valleys. After living here all their lives, or even just for a few years, people get so they can hardly make themselves drive back up and over and around the two mountains dividing us off from the nearest largish city. The body acclimates to a certain altitude and afer awhile it wants to stay put, for a lot of people. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 16 Apr 01 - 07:09 PM We have one but it's in pretty beat-up shape: it walked off the counter in the middle of the night and fell on the floor. Now whenever we use it, we put it on the floor to start with, so the only place it can walk is out the door. Be careful of your bread machine! Watch it work once and see if it "walks" -- and take any necessary precautions! As for the bread, though -- just about as good as homemade. Far better than what you get in the stores. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: kendall Date: 16 Apr 01 - 07:26 PM The only experience I've had with these machines, I wasn't impressed. The loaves are small, it takes a long time to do the job,(using electricity all that time) and, it was no better than the loaves of frozen dough that you can buy at the supermarket. The flavor is exactly the same. The machines cost money, and, the mix is, in my opinion, overpriced. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Cap't Bob Date: 16 Apr 01 - 08:01 PM I prefer to make bread by hand the old fashioned way. Usually six loaves at a time. Once out of the oven the first loaf doesn't last very long. Maybe a couple of hours if the grand kids are around. The extra loaves are placed in zip locked in the freezer. I have used the Amish bread bucket but the one I had was made out of aluminum and I didn't like the idea of the aluminum oxide mixing with the dough. They do work wonderfully however, and if I could find made of stainless steel I would definitely prefer it to the hand kneading. WYSIWYG is right about the 3 minute cranking which is a lot easier than the ten minute hand kneading process. One hint ~~~ if you do a lot of baking I would suggest buying the dry yeast by bulk. The yeast is vacuum packed and seems to work a lot better than the little (high priced) individual bags that are sold are sold at most grocery stores. You will save a lot of money over a years time. Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Peg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:12 PM Susan; my mom made bread with one of those bread mixer metal bucket thingies and she loved it!!! You are right, it is fast, too. I am with Kendall; the bread makers are amazing if you really need that convenience but they are pricey. The "BreadMan" model often goes on sale in dept. stores, tho. I had a chance to buy a metal Amish bread bucket at a tag sale recently and should have...they only wanted $25. If you are serious about selling your extra one Susan, I might wanna buy yours... |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:17 PM C'mon over Capt. Bob! Tip-- OIL the bucket. Seals it. Do not however attempt to season it in the oven like cast iron-- oops! It USED to have a channel stuck on, on the bottom, through which you could run a rail you'd clamp down... til I melted it off! I bet it really used to keep the damn thing from sliding around when the handle was cranked through all that dough! Oh well, a towel underneath does as well. Leftover dough was always a problem... all my pans were old used wonderjobs from the second hand store-- great pans but no two the same size. So I could never get the dough to come out exactly even among the pans. The remains I would roll into little balls, dip in melted butter, and roll in sugar. Crowded together into a pan they rose up into delightfully wicked treats. This was timed to come out of the oven as the school bus drew up out front-- this would become the snack of the day, and therefore the bread could finish cooling and still be there in the morning for sandwiches! Maybe our April Mudcat Gathering should feature bread dough to abuse! VERY funny to picture a kitchen full of people pickin' all peaceful like, as the bread rises and then WHAMMM!! Beating the crap out of it! BAMM! Take that, Emeril! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:20 PM Oh Peg, sorry, we cross-posted! When you comin' thisaway again anyhow? You know we are just an hour south of Elmira. And yes-- $25 was a really great price! My nicer one I am keeping, but the other one has a rust spot. I'd rather you see it before committing. But I would like to see it in use again. Hmmmm.... ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Peg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:23 PM well, a rust spot is nothing a little oil would not fix... I wil be coming out to visit my folks from April 26 thru 30th... Ya know, tho, my mom might still have her bread maker around...I should ask her first. I am sure she no longer uses it (her MS has gotten pretty bad, she can barely use the microwave). |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:29 PM Sat WHAT!!!! Peg, you DOG! You can come to our GATHERING!!!!!! Ain't you been readin' the thread? BRING IT ON!!!!! LOL!!!! (ScrEw the gathering, I'll come up there! I gotta meet you Peg!) ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Peg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:31 PM I did not know there was a gathering?? what thread name is it? I will really only be available the 27th, 28th, 29th (tarvelling the other days) but lemme know... |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Peg Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:36 PM Found the thread!!! I don't know what my plans are yet (need to spend time with the "rents" and a friend whose mother died recently) but I should be able to get there for a bit since it is so close. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: GUEST Date: 16 Apr 01 - 10:56 PM I have a Regal KitchenPro that I got for a gift. I love mine. I've never used mixes. Bread machine cookbooks or recipes off the Internet work fine. I buy my yeast in bulk at a health food store which is much cheaper than the 3-packs of yeast. Yeah, my machine has shimmied right off the table a time or two also,along with whatever coffee mugs and silverware were on the same table. People love getting homemade bread, cinnamon rolls, and the like as a gift. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: roopoo Date: 17 Apr 01 - 01:53 AM Helen, I have a Breville here in the UK. It was one of the earliest makes available. I got it in January cos I had some vouchers for Debenhams and the only thing I saw that I wanted was the machine. I mainly do granary in it and I haven't tried the dough yet. It's great! I used to try the "proper" way, but my own made bread/pastry was one of the excuses I gave for taking up salt dough; it was only of use to the building trade! I figured that if my baking was inedible, I might as well try and do something else with it! Rock-hard ornaments seemed a good idea. My neighbour makes all her bread by hand. She makes any kind of bread that you could think of, and you can't tell the difference from professionally made. If there's ever a get-together among our little group, she often offers to make some. I haven't a clue how she does it. She once gave me her basic recipe and it still turned out like, well, wadding! Andrea (aka Mouldy Old Dough) |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Helen Date: 17 Apr 01 - 02:18 AM I don't use mixes. A bit wary of the chemicals which might be extra-addeds that I don't know about. I use the recipes in the booklet which came with the machine. I did do a bit of a search on the 'Net. The only hint I got was from a baker who said to mix the yeast with warm water and let it froth up first. I think he said or implied that the only reason the yeast is put in last is for when the timer delay is used andyou don't want the yeast getting started before the right time for mixing it up. If any of you kind people have a recipe for soft white bread, you know the kind, often used for buns, and usually for sweet bread - I'd really love to try it out. Mouldy, what do you mean "mainly do granary in it"? Helen |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: RichM Date: 17 Apr 01 - 02:42 AM Great things, bread machines. Years ago, I made bread by hand. Now I have other things I'd rather do...like music!
My bread machine: Panasonic.
makes great dough for cinnamon buns too, yum There is a breadmaker (sunbeam?) that makes a normal shape loaf, but I don't know how good it is. Rich |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Kim C Date: 17 Apr 01 - 12:41 PM I know a lot of folks love their bread machines and what I'm about to say is no reflection on you, it's just my opinion. Bread machines are the Antichrist. Why? Because you can let the machine do all the work and then say, I made bread today. But you didn't. The MACHINE did. I have yet to have a bread machine product that tasted like a Real Handmade Loaf of Bread. Machine bread doesn't have the taste or texture of handmade bread. It just doesn't. Now... if you have a large family, or if you have allergies that prevent you from eating regular commercially-made bread, I could see where a machine would be really handy. I haven't got to bake bread in a long while. But there is something therapeutic in the process, plus the satisfaction of a job well done. Cheers----- Kim |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: DancingMom Date: 17 Apr 01 - 02:16 PM For Helen:BABOVKA: This is a Czech bread recipe courtesy of "Favorite Bread Machine Recipes" by Norman A. Garrett. The first measurement is for a 1-pound loaf, and the second is for a 1 1/2 pound loaf. Toss all into machine in this order:1/2 or 1 teaspoon active dry yeast;2 or 3 cups bread flour;1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon salt;3 or 5 tablespoons brown sugar; 5 or 7 ounces warm milk;1 or 2 egg yolks ( I use the whole egg); 3 or 5 tablespoons butter; 1/3 or 1/2 cup raisins. Regular white bread cycle. When done, sprinkle on a mixture of cinnamon and powdered sugar. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 17 Apr 01 - 02:21 PM I both make my own bread, and use a breadmaker. I would NEVER say, "I made bread today" when the machine did it. But the machine can be set to do it in at such a time as it's available for breakfast, and *I* ain't gettin' up at 2 am to make bread for everybody! So maybe "antichrist" is a little harsh, Kim. Y'all are so dramatic down there. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Apr 01 - 04:05 PM Maybe she was just making a rye comment. *G* Or she meant antigrist. Wheat does it matter anyway! At yeast she said it was just her opinion. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 17 Apr 01 - 04:41 PM Susan, you get crustier every day. I knew this thread would get a rise out of you. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Helen Date: 17 Apr 01 - 08:44 PM DancingMom, Thanks for the recipe. I'll let you know how it goes after I try it. Antichrist??!! Too much for my overworked imagination. A bread machine going around disseminating terrible ideas, leading us all into temptation. I can see a movie script here, or at least a Mudcat song. LOL All I can see in my head is a picture of a bread machine dressed in a long white robe. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Gypsy Date: 17 Apr 01 - 08:56 PM Have gone thru 3 of them. Really love them, make bread by hand OCCASIONALLY, but prefer the convenience of machinery. On the other hand, still grind our own flour...much less expensive than buying stone ground wheat flour! |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: sheila Date: 17 Apr 01 - 09:46 PM I use a KitchenAid mixer for the mixing and kneading, then shape the loaves by hand. I don't have room for a single-purpose gadget, and the mixer gets used for much more than just bread. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 17 Apr 01 - 11:04 PM Yes KitchenAid mixers are wonderful things! We have the food grinder and grater attachments and there's hardly a day goes by we aren't using that thing. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: roopoo Date: 18 Apr 01 - 02:33 AM Helen, granary is a type of flour, made from malted grains and with some whole grains left in it. I do 300g white and 200g granary flours, with 25g butter or marge, 2 tsp yeast, 3 tsp sugar, 1.5 tsp salt and 350ml water. Not necessarily in that order as the book I have states a specific way of putting ingredients together and i know it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Makes a 750g loaf. Andrea |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: SeanM Date: 18 Apr 01 - 03:55 AM Used to have access to a breadmaker, and up until recently that's the only way I did bread. Now, however, the 'family breadmaker' is down, and about every week or two I make a couple loaves completely by hand. I'm never going back. I LOVE to destroy the kitchen, flour everywhere, beating... er... kneading my frustrations away... Heck, I even like the after cooking cleanup, smelling the bread as it's cooling on the racks... Of course, I also love cooking big traditional thanksgiving dinners. To heck with the holiday, just let me do the meal... M |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Kim C Date: 18 Apr 01 - 01:18 PM Okay, okay. I was wrong. WAL-MART is the Antichrist. (Susan and Alex, y'all are TOO funny!!!!!!) I been tryin to get Mister to buy me one of them Kitchen Aid contraptions! I have an old handmixer which is okay for baking cakes out of a box or something, but I really REALLY want a Kitchen Aid! I too love to destroy the kitchen. However I leave the cleanup to Mister. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 18 Apr 01 - 01:23 PM this whole antichrist thing needs its own thread Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: kendall Date: 18 Apr 01 - 01:25 PM Sean. I love eating big holiday meals. Send me your address and I'll help you out! I'm a pretty good cook, but I hate to cook for just the dog and me. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: The Shambles Date: 18 Apr 01 - 01:57 PM Wonderful things. My wife sets it to start in the morning and I wake up to one of the best ever smells. Tastes good too. Fine for the two of us. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: mousethief Date: 18 Apr 01 - 02:06 PM Antichrist thread Alex |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: The Shambles Date: 18 Apr 01 - 07:37 PM Lots of good recipes here and all the info one would ever wish to know. The Bread Machine Digest. By courtesy of Mrs Shambles. Who also says that there are many useful sites on the subject via a GOOGLE search. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 18 Apr 01 - 10:06 PM Actually the antichrist would be the bread that comes out of the bread machine, not the machine, if that's how you feel, Kim... you know, Bread of Life, etc. Alex, is THIS where your silly thread came from? *G*G* Then there was the post up there about having gone throuh 3-- what, an anti-trinity??? And granary-- is that we we call in the USA, graham flour, and whassup with that? It's used in rye, right? I haven't destroyed the kitchen since the three bread-devouring teens moved out. THEY got stuck with the cleaning. (The boys also stole the yeast and sugar and my canning jars, guess why!!!) Y'all come on over and we'll have a time though! Still a bit of heating season left to raise the dough, though the best rising spot got lost in the fire! ~Half Baked
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Kim C Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:31 PM I was thinking more along the lines of it's the machine that gives you idle hands....... |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: GUEST,Fred Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:53 PM My folks got one of the 2 lb. horizontal ones and loved it. I had looked but been turned off by the prices (trying to figure how many loaves it would take to pay for it). Also, living alone, I didn't eat that much bread anyway. Then I found a nearly new one some recently-weds were selling at a garage sale for only $20 and was for a 1 1/2 lb. loaf (plus a recipe book also). Haven't bought a loaf of bread since. I haven't tried all that many recipes, but have got my favorite multi-grain loaf. I'm like some of the others--I like the convenience of the machine doing it for me. A take-off song got to running through my head a while back, to the tune of Let Us Break Bread Together On Our Knees, but never got completed. Let us bake bread together in our machines. Etc. Maybe something about rising the yeast. |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Apr 01 - 11:13 AM That's pretty funny. Over in the New Dumb Verses thread I was saying Let us Bake Bread Together on our Knees, so as to avoid having the machines walk off the counter. If we all give a verse, we could get a fine song together. Kim, something about excercise/exorcise in yours? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Non Folk BS: Bread Makers From: Helen Date: 08 Nov 01 - 05:00 PM Another bread thread here
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