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Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo

Mrrzy 06 Jun 01 - 09:55 AM
GUEST,Philippa 06 Jun 01 - 05:29 PM
Big Mick 06 Jun 01 - 10:21 PM
Mrrzy 07 Jun 01 - 12:28 PM
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Subject: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 09:55 AM

This is not the song being discussed at http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2404#241509 - nor could I find it in the DT. What I'm really looking for is the Gaelic chorus, with pronunciation guide and translation, but the lyrics to the whole song would be nice. I have this by The Wolfe Tones, and I don't know enough of the lyrics to post a complete verse. If nobody knows what I mean, I'll post some more fragments. Something about And monsignor Horan can hold your head high, you've (something something) brought rain from the sky...

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 05:29 PM

How about Christy Moore Knock song


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Subject: Lyr Add: MONSIGNOR HORAN
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 10:21 PM

Here you go. The source on this is the Wolfetones 25th Anniversary Booklet.

To hell or Connaught was Cromwell's war cry,
And the West says the poet in slumber does lie
From Mayo, God help us, they cried long ago for you
Suffered in silence and the hate of the foe
You were born in that County of green and red
Where millions of people from famine they fled.
You felt the pain of a people so proud
And you seen the neglect of the traitor and the coward
For Monsignor Horan your courage and love inspired
I've no doubt by the man up above

CHORUS
In the County of Mayo, there's a beautiful shrine
And it's called Cnoc Muire with power divine
Seat of a Queen who reigns from above
And who is looked on in Ireland with affection and love
For the village of Knock with its beauty serene
Set in a county of emerald green.
Monsignor Horan, you can hold your head high for
You put down the concrete that brought planes from the sky

The Lady of Knock, the light of the West
Appeared on the spot which St. Patrick he blessed
Bring people from lands that are far, far away
To come to your altar to kneel and to pray
Bring young and old, aged and infirm.
Knock, it was chosen by a power supreme
And God he has placed you in some divine scheme
A sagart, a grá tá an aerfort go deo agus
Anim á labhairt in ngach áit i Maigheo

CHORUS

Just like the priests at the Mass rock of old
Who braved redcoats, hunger and famine and cold.
Your cause although different, objective's the same
You remembered your country and true to your name
The very same people were there at your side
Who guarded the vestments of faith long ago
Will stand now on guard above and below
A sagart, a grá tá an aerfort go deo agus
Anim á labhairt in ngach áit i Maigheo

CHORUS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:28 PM

THAT'S IT! Now what does A sagart, a grá tá an aerfort go deo agus / Anim á labhairt in ngach áit i Maigheo mean? I figure Maigheo is Mayo... but that's as far as I can take it... and is that the same gra of gra mo chree, however you spell that?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: GUEST,Airto
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 02:00 PM

To answer your last question first...yes.

Very loosely the lines are saying "you are a much-loved priest, the airport will last forever and your name will be spoken in every corner of Mayo".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 06:10 PM

This article may be of interest to those unfamiliar with Father Horan:
[1996:] [Knock Airport] consists of a mile and a half of prime Jumbo-proof tarmac cut into a bog on the top of a hill in County Mayo, together with a simple terminal building, a control tower, a fire engine and a car park. It was 10 years old this week [...]. To appreciate the irony of this week's celebrations we have to cast our minds back to 1979 and Pope John Paul II's famous visit to Ireland. Being a Marian fanatic, it was inevitable that he would visit the shrine at Knock, erected to commemorate alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary in 1879. Accordingly this 'one-horse town without the horse' had its 15 minutes of fame, after which the global-media caravan moved on and everyone went back to sleep.
Everyone, that is, except for the parish priest, a formidable gent who had for years nursed an almighty grievance, namely that his was the only major Marian shrine in Europe without an airport, pilgrims for the transportation of. James Horan was a remarkable individual, 'a doer in a land of nay-sayers' as one of his obituaries described him. Recognising the Pope's visit as the best peg he was ever likely to get, Horan set about organising the construction of an international airport, complete with a runway long enough to take the biggest jets.
His first step was to invite the Taoiseach to lunch. Charlie Haughey is a Mayo man and was at the time a Prime Minister in deep political trouble. [...] Horan emerged with a promise of 8 million pounds for his airport. It was, people said, the most expensive meal Charlie Haughey ever ate. The truth is probably more prosaic [...]. Whatever the explanation, the airport project was viewed with incredulity, derision and outrage by the east-coast establishment which dominates the Republic as surely as its counterpart dominates the political life of the United States. Horan, however, turned this derision back on itself, firstly by mocking it and then by using it to cement local support for his dream. [...]
In due course Haughey fell from power, a Fine Gael/Labour coalition government led by Garret Fitzgerald came into office and the airport ran out of money with the runway two-thirds completed. The new administration loftily refused to throw good money after bad. The weed-strewn ruins of the project, they reasoned, would stand forever as a cautionary monument to Charlie's ruthless profligacy and the folie de grandeur of peasants who had the temerity to aspire to tarmac rather than the grass strip more appropriate to their provincial status.
Which only goes to show how little these eastern grandees knew about James Horan. He turned round and put the screws on the local Catholic community, as well as the Irish diaspora and the European Community and eventually came up with enough cash to finish the runway and build what was not so much a terminal building as a terminal shed. Even then, the establishment had one final shot in its locker. This 'airport' was all very well, they said, sniffily, but who will fly into it? Certainly not Aer Lingus, the state carrier, which viewed Knock with the same fastidious disdain as the government. At this point, Horan and his supporters were genuinely stumped. They were saved by Ryanair, a new independent carrier which had been set up the previous year, and which was eager to find some way - any way - of scoring off Aer Lingus. Ryanair started regular scheduled services from the UK to Knock and it - and the airport - has never looked back.
James Horan died 10 years ago, but at least lived long enough to see his dream realised. What he - and Charlie Haughey - understood is an economic truth which has been all but buried under the weight of Thatcherite and Reaganite dogma, namely that there are times when state investment is the essential prerequisite for development. The advent of an airport with regular jet flights to the UK and elsewhere has transformed the economic and social prospects of Knock's hinterland. It used to take a day's hard travelling to get from Britain to the west of Ireland. Now you get into a plane in Stansted and an hour later walk out into a breeze which comes straight off the Atlantic and has nothing more sinister on it than peat smoke. Now there's a real miracle for you. (John Naughton, Observer, 2 June)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 08:56 PM

Thanks for the translation (what does gra mean? Love?) AND even more so for the details, for which I had been about to ask. I'd'a gone to Knock just to see it - the travel agent never even MENTIONED another airport in the West, where I was headed! And that was, let's see, never mind, 1994. I forgive Aer Lingus for this one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:35 PM

OK, I still need to know how to pronounce that Gaelic chorus A sagart, a grá tá an aerfort go deo agus / Anim á labhairt in ngach áit i Maigheo, I'm getting into this song...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Brían
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:00 AM

O.K., Mrrzy, I'll have a go......

Uh sag-urth uh-ghraw thaw un ayr-ferth guh joe/An-yim uh low-ertch ih ngakh awtch ih Wee-yeo
Note: For theth sound, place your tongue on the roof of your mouth behind your front teeth. For the gh and kh sounds, let a little air out with the g and k.Ng like sing.

Go n-éirí an t-adh leat!

Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:34 PM

Thanks, pretty close to what I sing, but the Wolfe Tones have 2 syllables between GUH JOE and AN YIM, somehow, sounds like ISTERH?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Brían
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 02:58 PM

Boy, I'd have to hear the recording to be sure, possibly go deo is d'Anim or GUH JOE ISS DAN YIM. Means the same thing, said slightly different.
Brían.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:13 PM

They are saying ..guh joe iss dan anyim... Looks ungrammatical to me, poetic licence (? And I don't even speak this language!), but I'll go actually with what I've been hearing (of which what we've done is about half the consonants and a third of the vowels, but they go by so quickly it's like flickering lights, at some point it looks like light. This sounds like sound, quoi. And hope nobody within hearing knows the real words... thanks for all your help!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Monsignor Horan / County Mayo
From: Brían
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 06:42 PM

Any time, Mrrzy. I might add some advice Big Mick might give. Find an Irish Language class in your area. It may be an investment of time,books and recordings, but it will open doors to an unbelievable world if your willing to go down that path. Try Daltaí na Gaeilge a good bunch of folks with classes all over the place.

Brían.


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