Subject: I don't like Mondays From: Sooz Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM Bob Geldoff's song "I don't like Monday's" appears in our repertoir occasionally and when we performed it at Newark Folk Club last week, we were told that the girl who did the shooting was due to get out of prison soon. I have to confess my ignorance and admit that I can't even remember her name. If anyone can fill me in on the facts I would be very grateful. Click for lyrics |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:45 PM I haven't though of that song in years... cool... Hopefully someone here will have the 411 ;-) |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: Justa Picker Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:48 PM The "Official" Story |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:59 PM "but said she is not guilty of murder because she was under the influence of alcohol and the hallucinogenic drug PCP." 2 words... bull... and shit!!! Intoxication is NOT a defence! |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: SeanM Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:21 PM I don't know, Clinton... sounds like she's suffering from something along the lines of disassociative schizoid paranoia. Pretty common delusions... Of course, it's also not cureable, so it's the difference between being locked up in a prison or locked up in an asylum. Well, I guess the meds are better in the asylum... But as to the song... I'm going off of memory here, but in an interview, I seem to remember Geldoff (of the BOOMTOWN Rats, not 'Boontown', as the link states) wrote the song in one go in a couple hours after hearing and being... er... "inspired" by the shooting. It's also noteable that this was one of two songs on similar topics that came out nearly at the same time. The other was by a punk band (I want to say the Stranglers, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong), and was called "Gary Gilmore's Eyes", written about the execution of convicted murderer Gary Gilmore (I believe in Boston?). In any case, "Mondays" steamrollered "Gilmore", probably because "Mondays" is just such a haunting melody. M |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:38 PM What's the difference being locked up because yer a dope-wacked murderer, or locked up because you're so crazy that you're a danger to yourself and others? Then end result is the same... |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: katlaughing Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:51 PM Nice Christmas present from her dad. *voice dripping with irony* |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed From: Sooz Date: 16 Jun 01 - 09:14 AM Thanks - My education is now complete. |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:18 PM for the sake of completeness and searchability, here is the text that Justa Picker linked to: Date sent: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:46:06 -0700 |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Susanne (skw) Date: 16 Jun 01 - 05:48 PM Being of a slightly pedantic disposition, I'd love to know which paper this came from. Help, anyone? |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: marty D Date: 16 Jun 01 - 06:32 PM "Her father gave her a rifle for Christmas"??? FOR CHRISTMAS? Mind boggling. marty |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Jun 01 - 02:08 AM She's what, 16 when this happened, she says she was under the influence of drink and drugs at 8.30am on a Monday morning and her daddy gave her a rifle for a present - presumably with all the paperwork and permits?? I can see a possible 3 crimes here before she even picks up the bloody rifle! And where was daddy that day? Under the influence is not an excuse. It didn't work on the drunk driver that killed my brother, it shouldn't work on other killers. LTS |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Crazy Eddie Date: 17 Jun 01 - 02:22 AM "Her father gave her a rifle for Christmas"??? FOR CHRISTMAS? " Peace on Earth, and Good Will To ALL Men Of Course "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" So how many would she have been able to kill if she'd been given say, a chess set, or a Hi Fi? |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Jun 01 - 12:06 PM You've never seen me play chess have you?? LOL!!! |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Jun 01 - 06:38 PM I appreciate your pedantic nature, Susanne. I tend to be that way myself. I think it's important that we're accurate when we post information here. I couldn't find the original source of the article - I copied it from the link JustaPicker provided. Before and after the article was written, Anne Krueger was a staff writer at the San Diego (California) Union-Tribune. I guess it's safe to assume she was working for that paper at the time she wrote this article, so I added that to the attribution. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: SeanM Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:55 AM Clinton; I'd say that the difference between the two is the treatment you get, though that is open to debate. In a sane world, if she were in fact criminally insane, she'd be placed in a treatment environment, where whatever could possibly be done to treat her would be done. Once again, in a sane world, in prison she'd be in a similar situation, but rather than trying to concentrate on the medical reasons she commited the crime, rehabilitation would focus on 'correcting' the aberrant impulses and behavior. I refuse to go into what REALLY occurs in either situation. M |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:32 PM The end resuly I was talking aobut is that she would be locked up away from anyone else she could hurt... Treatment is lower priority in my mind I guess... |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: GUEST,Kim C, no cookie Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:48 PM Eddie, if she had got a chess set or a hi-fi, she simply would have found the gun somewheres else. |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: GeorgeH Date: 18 Jun 01 - 02:34 PM Murder requires intent. If you're out of your head then, IMO, there can't be any certainty of intent. Like it or not, the distinction is an important one. And is best made away from the emotive subject of killing kids. Though if it takes you than long to realise you were out of your head I guess people may be a little sceptical about your claim. Then again, we know you have to be the president of the US of A to go killing kids with impunity . . (and that the Prime Minister of the UK will then bend over backwards to wash the blood off your hands . . the only distinction between the two powers is their ABILITY to do so, not their morality . . ) The only bullshit I see here is Kim C's nonsense . . . G. |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Skipjack K8 Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:50 PM Sean, 'twas The Adverts that did Gary Gilmore's Eyes in 1977 (I think!). I had to look it up, though! I thought it was the Stranglers, too. Skipjack |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: zoogma Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:33 PM slightly off topic- but for those of you who don'tlike mondays. heard it on the radio one morning, had to search it up. don't think it will inspire any gruesome shootings, thank god:) mickey mouse monday sucks- http://www.spin.net.au/~asavoy/funclub/naughties.htm |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: Willie-O Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:16 PM George is right. It doesn't necessarily have direct bearing on this case because the question of whether Spencer was actually intoxicated or hallucinating is what appears to be the main point of debate. If they can't establish that with any degree of certainty, this is one case where you can be fairly certain the balance of "reasonable doubt" will not be awarded to the defendant. And yeah, (hi Kim, nice to see you back from vacation?) people who are out of their heads on something or other would have to form an awful lot of intent to go somewhere and obtain a firearm while out of their head on something or other...I think its pretty sure they'll use the closest thing that comes to hand. Easy availability of firearms, especially by minors, leads to many avoidable tragedies. Willie-O |
Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays From: WickedLad Date: 19 Jun 01 - 02:52 AM here is a ite on Brenda Spencer http://www.mail-archive.com/seeknfind@ashlists.org/msg03569.html It mentions stuff about her family life and other problems which didnt come up due to there being no trial
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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:58 AM Brenda Spencer wanted a radio for Christmas - her dad gave her a rifle instead. Extremely sad; I get tears in my eyes thinking about that (and I'm a big, tough guy). |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 24 Jul 10 - 12:34 AM well I spoke with Brenda Spencer 5 days before her shooting at Cleveland elementary school. I passed her in the hall and said hi as well as told her I was moving to Fresno next week. I'm not sure if I said I was moving Monday or not as I spoke to her that Wednesday morning but did mention I was moving. My dad was completly shocked as was I listening to that SPECIAL NEWS BULLITEN on the radio that day we drove towards our new hometown of Fresno. Now Brenda spoke seldom to anybody in schools we both attended from the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and half of 11th grade. but I had her in my English class during the 78 school year so I knew her quite well after a semester sitting across from her the prior year thats how I know her. My 30th high school reunion is Aug, 21 and I'm going to attempt a visit to the prison facility to speak with Brenda atfer she left me hanging in Fresno without an explanation. wish me luck John Patrick Henry High SAchool class of 1980 |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:48 PM i think the song is about the fact that many parents are to busy to give their children time and understanding and the fact that it was inapropriate for any parent to give their child a fucking gun but mostly that a person does not just wake up one day and go on killing spree there are normally various hints eg in the columbine case there had been suspicions that the boys were making home made bombs and the police ignored it its about realising that if we dont listen to young people who are in trouble or investigate allegations because we percieve this person not to be the type personally i would rather be questioned for hours to prove innocence than let a guilty person go free |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,Canuck Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:09 PM #1 She took the PCP AND Alcohol, Both of which were Illegal for Her, No One forced Her too #2 She claims then that She never fired that many shots,that it was the Police. So How does She figure that out,if She was out of it? #3 "I live with the unbearable pain every day of knowing that I was responsible for the death of two people and caused many others physical and emotional pain and suffering," Spencer said in the statement. "But I'm not a murderer." Then Goes on to state "She also said she doubts whether the victims were hit by bullets from her rifle, contending that they might have been shot by police and that police officers lied in court about how many shots they fired". So how can You have unbearable Pain for something You admit You did, When You NOW Say They were shot by the Police instead? (Sounds like,She'll say anything to lessen Her Sentence,because Now,It's no longer just hating Mondays,It's hating being stuck in Jail)? - In Her Logic, Police came to Her House,Shot at these people then fired Her gun off to frame Her,beause She was taking Drugs and Pcp? #4 She now SAYS,that while under the influence of the drugs, she started to hallucinate and saw commando types in paramilitary gear advance toward her house. She said she barricaded herself in and started shooting, using the rifle her father had given her for Christmas". Yet,Before, She never once stated this,and instead, She told a reporter who called her DURING the 6 1/2 -hour siege, that she opened fire because, "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." The full Quote She gave When asked why she committed the shooting Spencer replied, "I just did it for the fun of it. I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day. I have to go now. I shot a pig (policeman) I think and I want to shoot more. I'm having too much fun (to surrender)."She also said, "I had no reason for it, and it was just a lot of fun," "It was just like shooting ducks in a pond,"' and, "[The children] looked like a herd of cows standing around; it was really easy pickings." No mention of Commandos when it was FRESH in Her Head ! #5 Her Classmates Stated that the week before the shootings Spencer said that she wanted "to do something big to get on TV." #6 People are Dead from what She did, No excuses will bring them Back,She lived on, while They did not. Families endured Great pain from Her Actions and irregardless She is Dangerous ! |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: RTim Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:15 PM An old work friend of mine had to visit Nice in France, and boarded a plane at Heathrow, only to find that one of the passengers was Mr. Geldof - who was complaining about everything - It was a Monday! So my friends says - "What, you don't like Mondays?" To which Geldof said - "Fuck off!" Tim Radford |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: Nigel Parsons Date: 14 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM He clearly still has a way with words! |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,Someone :P Date: 24 Dec 10 - 12:50 PM I think the father has something to do with it because almost every person who goes through a trauma like this moves out of the house where the event happened. He still lives there which means that the shooting is like a minor inconvenience in his psyche. |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 24 Dec 10 - 03:54 PM It never fails to amaze me why people guilty of crimes (minor to this) blame drugs, alcohol, a mother who kept introducing "uncles" to them or a father who pissed over their cat. In my day it was called rotten badness and you lost your liberty as punishment. A lot of crimes are still rotten badness, only these days you get to feed goats in a community fun park as punishment. If you ever find yourself in trouble, don't call a solicitor, call for a social worker and tell them about your granny. |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 25 Dec 10 - 02:39 PM D erek Brimstone used to have this schtick, it went something like.... I really hate hate Mondays. Nothing worse than getting up for work on a Monday morning. Og God I hate it. That monday morning feeling! However, I'm self employed nowadays so I sorted that one out. I take every monday off. Trouble is... I'm getting a bit pissed off with Tuesdays.... (who told you about my Granny, Richie?) |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Jan 11 - 12:50 AM Note to unnamed Guest: I deleted your post because I could not identify you. If you would like to post at Mudcat, please use a consistent name every time you post. Thanks. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,matt schofield Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:26 AM It is clear that Spenser was a MKultra mind controlled puppet used to push the zionist agenda. The evidence for this is the date 29th which stands for 9/11 ei 2 is 11 and then the part that she was sexually abused by her farther fits well, and the fact that Geldof then publicized this horendous act and made millions out of it and that his kids Peaches and Pixie are both showing indications that they are also monarch slaves. see vigilantcitizen.com |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: Prego Date: 04 Apr 11 - 11:10 AM Good song from a big phoney |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:27 PM From the UK just looked into the story. She fired 36 shots and hit between 9-11 people depending which story you belive. One in three hit ratio. A sixteen yesar old girl with not the most accurate rifle. Tried as adult when a minor. This woman should be in the army not prison |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,Dazbo at Work Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:23 AM The Adverts' "Gary Gilmour's Eyes" was, from memory, at least a year before "I don't like Mondays". Gary Gilmour's Eyes was inspired by the fact that various body parts were donated and the song is about what a recipient might fear when he realises he will, literally, be seeing through Gary Gilmour's Eyes and what they'll make him do (also inspired by Hammer Films I would imagine!) If you were beating and sexually abusing your daughter would you buy her a rifle? |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: Susanne (skw) Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:01 PM You might. Even abusive dads are often more than one-dimensional. |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,kahree.g Date: 18 Nov 11 - 04:05 PM OK, let's all be realistic here...this will require most of you to put a plug in your bleeding liberal hearts, but roll with me. If this were you husband or child, brother, son....that was murdered in cold blood by this girl, for whatever reason, I can garantee you would be singing a different tune. She is guilty of taking someones life-pure and simple. She was under no duress, not defending herself with the 40+ spent casings in her room, not under the influence...what that leaves is the fact that this girl is a sociopath, and will never change. I pray her current and future attempts to manipulate the system fail-however we should all be frightened.... |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST,m heinz Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:07 PM There should be a renewed investigation into the fathers responsibility in this as well as keeping this woman in prison. Charles Mason also has multiple stories to explain his actions, as did every other psycho killer that pops to mind. They all refuse direct responsibility in one way or another and blame some hardship in life. That Brenda Spencer now tries to claim Intoxication as her defense shows her time has been spent becoming a "jailhouse lawyer", in her own defense anyway, but she can't show the nesc. element of intoxication defense, that it was ingested by her w/o or against her knowledge. Knowingly taking drugs and then claiming intox as a defense is not allowed by the American criminal court system. As for the guy who wrote a song immortalizing her actions, well some of us lack tact. |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 22 Jul 22 - 05:39 AM In the news - Brenda Spencer is due to attend a Payroll Sutiability Hearing on 22nd August. |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 22 - 08:33 AM Dave Burland used to cover that song in the 80s. Wish I could find a recording of him doing that! |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: FreddyHeadey Date: 26 Jul 22 - 10:18 AM ^ Dave Burland's "I Don't Like Mondays" is on his album Rollin' https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=dave+burland+rollin%27& |
Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof) From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 22 - 06:38 PM Many thanks, Freddy, that's really useful as I had no idea where to look for it. I'd like to learn it myself. Cheers, John |
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