Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:11 AM Summary: 1. The anonymous song sung by Disley is most likely a parody or derivative of an earlier song, as quoted in two books listed above. 2. The poem from the books is also anonymous. The first verse is the same, but the second seems to be the start of a totally different story. 3. Similar verses, e.g. Tottie, were written and published in the 1880's by George R. Sims (aka Dagonet). His best known work is Christmas Day in the Workhouse (the original, not the well known parody) Therefore is is quite possible that he wrote the original. But no proof yet. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:04 AM Finally, I have the whole song: (But no title) I was sitting one day by the Jerri-o-miah Warming my plates of meat When there came a rat-tat at the Rory O'More What fair made me raspberry tart beat So I put down the tankard of foaming pigs ear (beer)¨ Which I held in my German Band (hand) And silently crept down the apples and pears My Dukes all ready to land There on her Todd Sloan stood a smashing young dame Her Barnett Fair blowing in the breeze Not one dicky bird from her North & South came But her mince pies weren't half saying 'please' So I put on me titfer (Tit for tat = hat) and weasel and stoat (Coat) and adjusted me silk Peckham Rye (tie) A quick bowl of chalk (walk) down the old frog & toad (road) To the rub-a-dub (pub) whence she had hied We drank at the jolly jack tar for a while I said how about uncle Ned She flashed me her white Hampstead Heaths in a smile, And 'Not Bloody Likely' She said! As sung by Diz Disley at The Ivy Bush, Pontardawe, c1973 |
Subject: Lyr Add: TOTTIE (G. R. Sims, 1887) From: Jim Dixon Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:58 AM Farmer, John Stephen. Musa Pedestris; Three Centuries of Canting Songs and Slang Rhymes, 1536-1896. New York: Cooper Square Pub, 1964, page 137: TOTTIE By "Dagonet" (G. R. Sims) in Referee, 7 Nov 1887. 1. As she walked along the street With her little 'plates of meat' [feet] And the summer sunshine falling On her golden 'Barnet Fair,' [hair] Bright as angels from the skies Were her dark blue 'mutton pies.' [eyes] In my 'East and West' Dan Cupid [breast] Shot a shaft and left it there. 2. She'd a Grecian 'I suppose,' [nose] And of 'Hampstead Heath' two rows, [teeth] In her 'Sunny South' that glistened [mouth] Like two pretty strings of pearl; Down upon my 'bread and cheese' [knees] Did I drop and murmur, 'Please Be my "storm and strife," dear Tottie, [wife] O, you darlingest of girls!' 3. Then a bow-wow by her side, [dog – not rhyming slang, apparently] Who till then had stood and tried A 'Jenny Lee' to banish, [flea] Which was on his 'Jonah's whale,' [tail] Gave a hydrophobia bark, (She cried, 'What a "Noah's Ark!"') [lark] And right through my 'rank and riches' [breeches] Did my 'cribbage pegs' assail. [legs] 4. Ere her bull-dog I could stop She had called a 'ginger pop' [slop = policeman] Who said, 'What the "Henry Meville" [devil] Do you think you're doing there?' And I heard as off I slunk, 'Why the fellow's "Jumbo's trunk!"' [drunk] And the 'Walter Joyce' was Tottie's [voice] With the golden 'Barnet Fair.' [hair] |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:36 AM And I got it wrong! try again Anna Maria |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:34 AM [Some versions give "Anna Maria" instead of "Jeremiah". I assume that's pronounced "ma-RYE-a".] Yes. See A Dictionary of Rhyming Slang By Julian Franklyn 1975 http://books.google.com/books?id=9zsCIMSi-dsC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=cockney+rory+o'more&source=web&ots=1TSS-ne5mb&sig=ikSHEl_9H47QNsadoh7w9VJ3qgI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA32,M1>See page 32 This URL is too long for the Blicky maker, so I have had to put it in and hope |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 05:04 AM Looks like this song is quite old, Google books finds this text (Maybe in the wrong order?). Notes and Queries by Martim de Albuquerque - Literature - 1849 Page 203 ... no difficulty in translating it :— Warming my plates of meat, When there came a knock at the Rory 0'Hours I was sitting one night nt the Anna Maria, ... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:18 AM Sorry, that link doesn't go directly to the page. You have to search in the book for Tottie (on Page 137) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:16 AM OK, I have found the full view of this second song. It is "Tottie" by G. R. Sims, from 1887 Tottie |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:59 AM See here in the same book: part of a verse "and of Hampstead heath two rows, In her sunny South that glistened Like two pretty strings of pearls Down on my bread and cheese Did I drop and murmer "Please" .... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:51 AM It should have been blickey: Londinismen(slang und Cant) Wörterbuch |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:50 AM But also Duchess (of Fife) is Wife. Often shortened just to "Dutch" "Jerry-oh-mia", I heard it. The song in the link above seems different to the one I have on tape, though the first verse is the same. It will have to wait until we can see more of it I was sitting one day by the Jeremiah a-warming me plates of meat When there came a knock at the Rory O'More That made me raspberry beat. I opened the Rory and standing there Was me one and t 'other (brother) — Ted, Who says, "I'm back from foreign parts." Says I, "We thought you 'brahn bread' (Dead).... I couldn't get any ore from this book either, but another search of Google Books came up with an unlikely find : a book in German on cockney slang, from 1903! Londinismen(slang und Cant) Wörterbuch der Londoner Volkssprache http://books.google.com/books?id=_-9ZAAAAMAAJ&q=%22mince+pies%22+please+barnet&dq=%22mince+pies%22+please+barnet&lr=&pgis=1 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Bert Date: 28 Aug 08 - 10:29 AM Dukes means 'fingers' and also fingers meant pickpockets. Female pickpockets were then called Duchesses. As in this version of Botany Bay which is another song for your collection. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:07 AM Aylwin, Bob. A Load of Cockney Cobblers. Edinburgh: Johnston & Bacon, 1973. Only snippets are viewable at Google Book Search, but I was able to piece together this much: ...warming my plates of meat, When there came a knock at the Rory O'More That made me raspberry beat. I opened the Rory and standing there Was me one and t 'other — Ted, Who says, "I'm back from foreign parts." Says I, "We thought you 'brahn bread'.... [Some versions give "Anna Maria" instead of "Jeremiah". I assume that's pronounced "ma-RYE-a".] |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: The Walrus Date: 27 Aug 08 - 05:14 AM If I might add further explanation to Pavane's post "...My Dukes all ready to land..." Dukes = Duke of Yorks = Forks - by extension Forks = Fingers Dukes = Hands and (in context) = Fists (Hence "Put up your Dukes" extended by usage to include "Duke it out") Rhyming slang was also someimes applied to other slang terms, For example: Many older catters will remember the old 6d piece, the "Tanner". The name comes from the rhyming slang "Tanner and Skin" = thin A "Thin" was a Victorian nickname for the 6d piece. W |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Bryn Pugh Date: 26 Aug 08 - 07:29 AM I have heard that the lengthening from "bottle & glass" = arse, 'aris (aristotle) to 'plaster' - plaster of paris, hence, "he fell on his plaster". |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:01 AM Typos corrected: I put down the glass of foaming pigs ear (beer)¨ Which I held in my German Band (hand) (line to be added) My Dukes all ready to land |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:00 AM Missing line now found: Missing line : We drank at the jolly jack tar (bar) for a while I said how about uncle Ned (Bed) She flashed me her white Hampstead Heaths (Teeth) in a smile, And 'Not Bloody Likely' She said! There is also a missing verse, verse 2, which I will complete I put down the glass of foaming pig ear (beer)¨ Which I held in my German Band (hand) (line to be added) My Dukes already to land |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: masato sakurai Date: 02 Dec 04 - 03:02 AM There're some examples (but not in full) in Julian Franklyn's The Cockney: A Survey of London Life and Language (Andre Deutsch, 1953), pp. 126-138 [chapter XXII: "Words and Music"]. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 20 Jun 01 - 03:54 AM How about another obscure one? Dicky Bow - bow to wear with your 'dicky' = Dicky Dirt = Shirt. But no offers for my missing lines? Not sure if heard it recited by ?Diz Disley or ?John Foreman many years ago. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Les from Hull Date: 19 Jun 01 - 11:49 AM To further confuse you 'septics' there are even instances of doubled rhymes, such as the Cockney for arse (or ass in the transatlantc vernacular), aris. Aris = aristotle = bottle and glass = arse. Usage - 'he's only fell on 'is aris, ain't he' = he's fallen on has ass. One of my favourites was when the Goons (BBC Radio show previously mentioned on Mudcat) had a character called Hugh Jampton. The producer wanted to know why that name, and Spike Milligan said 'He's a mate of ours, he'll be chuffed to hear his name on the radio.' Actually Hugh Jampton = Huge Hampton. Hampton Wick = prick. As Snuffy says, most British know some rhyming slang, and some of it has come into modern usage as general slang. Les |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 19 Jun 01 - 03:15 AM So no-one knows the rest of the rhyme? It continues:
So I put on me titfer (Tit for tat = hat) and weasel and stoat (Coat)
The next verse, I only remember part of, and not sure about it anyway
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Stewie Date: 18 Jun 01 - 10:04 PM A good example of the genre is 'Tottie', the lyrics for which have been posted in the forum: --Stewie. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Snuffy Date: 18 Jun 01 - 09:10 PM I didn't find it anywhere, I always knowed it, Sorch. Although it's supposed to be originally just from London, most Britishers have a passing familiarity with the more common examples of rhyming slang. Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Sorcha Date: 18 Jun 01 - 08:28 PM Snuffy, where did you find that?! I'm amazed!! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Snuffy Date: 18 Jun 01 - 08:23 PM I was sitting one day by the Jerri-o-miah [fire] Warming my plates of meat [feet] When there came a rat-tat at the Rory O'More [door] What fair made me raspberry tart [heart] beat
There on her Todd [own] stood a charming young maid Unusually, here the rhyming slang is spelled out in full - common practice is to omit the rhyming bit and just give the first half. Thus for 'stairs' it would be more common to say 'apples' rather than 'apples and pears', or 'plates' rather than 'plates of meat' for feet. Part of the purpose of this sort of language is to deliberately exclude those not in the know, and omitting the rhyming bit helps in this. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Sorcha Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:00 PM If you do a Google Search for "rhyming slang" you'll find lots more pages about it. No luck at all with the request, tho. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:59 PM Thanks! I knew there was some reason to this rhyming. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Sorcha Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:06 PM Charley, there is a page about rhyming slang Here! Didn't look for pavane's poem, tho. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:45 PM There are existing threads on rhyming slang. For Example Todd = Todd Slone. On your Todd (Slone) means alone. Barnet Fair is hair, raspberry tart in this context means heart, but more usually, raspberry means fart. Much used in old times especially in London. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Jun 01 - 04:27 PM Will someone please nibble on this, and explain the w(hole) concept!;-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 18 Jun 01 - 11:17 AM Actually, thinking back, it may not be a song at all, just a poem. |
Subject: song in rhyming slang From: pavane Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:43 AM Trying to track down the full text and origin of a song written in rhyming slang. It starts as follows: I was sitting one day by the Jerri-o-miah Warming my plates of meat When there came a rat-tat at the Rory O'More What fair made me raspberry tart beat There on her Todd stood a charming young maid Her Barnett Fair blowing in the breeze Not one dicky bird from her North & South came But her mince pies weren't half saying 'please' Any ideas? |
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