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Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods

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JOVIAL HUNTER or SIR LIONEL
OLD BANGUM
SIR EGLAMORE
WILD BOAR
WILD BOAR (3)


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Paul B 19 Jun 01 - 10:33 PM
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GUEST,Dot Callery 19 Feb 14 - 07:04 AM
Richard Bridge 19 Feb 14 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,leeneia 20 Feb 14 - 10:39 AM
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Subject: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: Paul B
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 10:33 PM

Wild Hog in the Woods (as sung by the Possum Trot String Band, Davis, CA)

There is a wild hog in these woods, Diddle um down, diddle um day There is a wild hog in these woods, Diddle um down dee day There is a wild hog in these woods, Eats men's flesh and he drinks men's blood Cut him down, cut him down, catch him if you can

I followed that hog with a gun and knife . . . I swear I'll take that wild hog's life

I followed that wild hog to his den . . . I found the bones of a thousand men . . .

Hold the horn up to your mouth . . . Blow a blast both north and south . . .

The wild hog come in such a rush . . . Tearing his way through the old cantash . . .

If you would that wild hog see . . . Blow a blast he'll come to me . . .

There is a wild hog in these woods . . . Eats men's flesh and he drinks men's blood . . .


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 11:06 PM

Is Deborah Sandler in that group? I have a tape of her singing that song (brilliantly) at Camp Harmony 1989-90.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: toadfrog
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 11:08 PM

The song sounds very much like "Old Bangum" Or also "Rackabello" Or Wild Boar, or in the alternative, "Abram Bailey Had Three Sons," all of which are on DT. Apparently Child # 18. (Last weekend Dick Holdstock referred to it as Child #170, but I think he was joshing me.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: MMario
Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:05 AM

Thanks toadfrog - I was trying to think which one it reminded me of, and I couldn't.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Jun 01 - 12:27 AM

I think they're tearing their way through "oak and ash." I collected a fragment of this ballad from Buna Hicks on beech Mountain, NC, back in 1961. Margaret MacArthur used Buna's tune and collated her text with others to come up with a fine version. There's also a good version in the Archive of Folksong at the L of C sung by a Mr. Harmon (whose first name I can't pull out of my memory right now) in Tennessee. Francis James Child called it "Sir Lionel."

Sandy


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Subject: wild hog in the woods
From: GUEST,walkingjohn
Date: 26 Mar 02 - 07:09 AM

does any one have a)lyrics b)origins of this song pse.


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Subject: RE: wild hog in the woods
From: IanC
Date: 26 Mar 02 - 07:56 AM

Gere's the info from "The Traditional Ballad Index" entry here.

Sir Lionel [Child 18]

DESCRIPTION: (Sir Lionel) hears report (from a lady in distress?) of a murderous boar. Meeting the boar, he slays the beast. In the older versions, the boar's keeper then comes out to demand a price, and the knight then slays the keeper also.
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE:
KEYWORDS: animal fight magic
FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland(High),England) US(NE,SE,So)
REFERENCES (13 citations):
Child 18, "Sir Lionel" (6 texts)
Bronson 18, "Sir Lionel" (17 versions)
Randolph 7, "Lord Bangum" (1 text, 1 tune)
Flanders/Olney, pp. 60-61, "Old Bangum" (1 text, 1 tune)
Leach, pp. 100-103, "Sir Lionel" (2 texts)
McNeil-SFB2, pp. 157-159, "Ole Banghum" (1 text, 1 tune)
PBB 19, "The Jovial Hunter of Bromsgrove" (1 text)
Lomax-FSNA 272, "Old Bangum" (1 text, 1 tune)
Niles 13, "Sir Lionel" (3 texts, 3 tunes)
Chase, pp. 126-127, "Old Bangum and the Boar" (1 text, 1 tune)
Abrahams/Foss, p. 60, "Old Bangum" (1 text, 1 tune)
Silber-FSWB, p. 217, "Old Bangum" (1 text)
DT 18, JOVHUNTR* OLBANGUM*
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Wild Hog
The Jovial Hunter
Rurey Bain
Bangum and the Bo'
Wild Hog in the Woods
Rackabello
Notes: Many versions of this song have been stripped down to descriptions of the hunt and the fight. Others have subplots concerning Sir Lionel's brothers. - PJS
File: C018

There's 2 versions in DT

OLD BANGUM
JOVIAL HUNTER or SIR LIONEL

though there doesn't seem to have been any previous discussion here.

Hop this is some use.

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: wild hog in the woods
From: masato sakurai
Date: 26 Mar 02 - 08:07 AM

And info from The Fiddler's Companion.

OLD BANGUM. AKA and see "Wild Hog in the Woods," "Bangum."

WILD HOG IN THE WOODS [1]. AKA and see "Old Bangum." Old-Time, Breakdown. USA, southwestern Va., Kentucky. A Dorian (Phillips): D Dorian (Fuzzy Mtn. String Band). AEAE or GDGD (Taylor Kimble). One part. Alan Jabbour says (regarding some instrumental versions) the tune is "almost certainly" an instrumental adaptation of the tune used in the Appalachians for the ballad "Bangum and the Boar" (Child 18) or "Old Bangum." There are words collected by Henry Galssie in 1962 from Mrs. Ruby Bowman Plemmons (Washington, D.C.), who learned them from her mother who lived in Laurel Fork, southwestern Va. Another version was recorded for the Library of Congress from Dan Tate. Guthrie Meade (1980) points out the tune's high part is the same as the tune "Fun's All Over."
***
There is a wild hog in yonders woods
(diddle on down, diddle on day)
There is a wild hog in yonders woods
(diddleon down the day)
There is a wild hog in these woods,
That eats men and seeks their blood.
(Cut him down, cut him down, catch/kill him if you can).
***
There comes a wild hog through yonders mash (marsh?)
Splitting his way through oaks and ash.
***
We followed that wild hog to his den,
Found the bones of a thousand men.
***
We followed that wild hog day and night,
Swore we'd make that wild hog fight.
***
We killed that hog with sticks and knife,
Swore we'd take that wild hog's life.
***
Source for notated version: Taylor Kimble (Va.) [Phillips]. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), Vol. 2, 1995; pg. 171. Flying Fish FF-275, "The Blue Flame Stringband" (1982. Learned from Pete Sutherland). Heritage XXXIII, Kimble Family (Va.) - "Visits" (1981). Marimac 9000, Dan Gellert & Shoofly - "Forked Deer" (1986. Learned from Brad Leftwich). Marimac 9036, the Kimble Family - "Carroll County Pioneers." Rounder 0010, The Fuzzy Mountain String Band (1972. Learned from southwestern Va. fiddler Taylor Kimble).

WILD HOG IN THE WOODS [2]. Old-Time, Breakdown. USA, Kentucky. F Major. Standard. AABB. The tune was also recorded by Charlie Wilson and His Hayloft Boys on a Gennett 78 RPM disc. Source for notated version: Lonesome Luke and His Farmhands (Ky.) [Phillips]. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), Vol. 1, 1994; pg. 257. Champion 16229 & Gennett Records (78 RPM), Lonesome Luke and His Farm Hands {Ky} (1931. Backed with "Dogs in the Ashcan"). Morning Star 45004, Lonesome Luke & His Farmhands - "Wish I Had My Time Again." Marimac 9047, Mac Benford - "1st 1/2 C."
T:Wild Hog in the Woods
L:1/8
M:4/4
S:Pete Sutherland
K:F
ACDE FGAc | dAcd AF3 | G4 G4 | GFEF EDC2 |
ACDE FGAc | dAcd AF3 | A3c AFG2 | F8 :|
|: f4 f4 | fedc Ac3 | f4 f4 | fdcd f2d2
f4 f4 | fedc Ac3 | E2d2 cAG2 | F8 :|

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 04:12 AM

Paul B wrote:
The wild hog come in such a rush . . . Tearing his way through the old cantash . . .

Sandy Paton is right. The line is "Tearing his way through the oak and ash." That's what Allen Barnes is singing on the Possum Trot String Band recording.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,Dot Callery
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 07:04 AM

I started singing the Reed Island Rounders version of this song a few years ago when I was learning clawhammer banjo and I loved the way Diane Jones played. Having tried numerous avenues over the years I still haven't been able to find the missing words to the last two verses. I thought this version came from Nimrod Workman but his lyrics are also different.

The verses go:

They fought 9 hours on that day (2)
'Til the wild hog bled his .... ....? sounds like 'salt away'?

Bangum did you win or lose? (2)
He swore by god he wore .... .....? sounds like 'wore them shoes'?

Anyone know the missing words? Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 12:54 PM

There is a nice version of Avram Bailey by Jon Loomes. I sometimes do a version of that version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 10:39 AM

Twelve years have passed since Masoto posted the ABC for this tune above. Masato, if you are still around, thank you. It's a good tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 10:52 AM

PS I couldn't live with that E2 in the last line, so I changed it to an F.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 11:49 AM

SIR RYLAS
Bold Sir Rylas a-hunting went
Aye and dan dilly dan
Bold Sir Rylas a-hunting went
Killy killy koko an
Bold Sir Rylas a-hunting went
To shoot some game was his intent
With an aye and an and dilly dan
Killy killy koko an

He saw a wild woman sat in a tree,"
"Good lord, what brings you here?"said she

"There is a wild boar in this wood
He'll eat your flesh and drink your blood

"How can I get this boar to see? "
"Just blow your horn, he'll come to thee"

He put his horn up to his mouth
He blew it east north west and south

The wild boar heard him in it's den
And out he come with his children ten

They fought it up that long summer's day
Till that wild boar would fain run away

"Well, now you've killed my pig" said she
There are three things I ask of thee
Your horse, your hound, and your fair lady

Well now I've killed your pig, "said he
There's nothing more you'll have from me
Not my horse and my hound and my fair lady

He split her head down to her chin
You should have seen her kick and grin

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wild Hog in the Woods
From: GUEST,Bard Skye
Date: 17 Sep 17 - 01:52 AM

Here's the version done by the Wicked Tinkers:

The Hog

There is a hog in the western wood
Hiddle um down, hiddle um hay
There is a hog in the western wood
Ho row hiddle um hay
There is a hog in the western wood
He'll eat your bones, he'll drink your blood
Cut him down, kill him now, catch him if you can.

McPherson went to the wild hog's den
Hiddle um down, hiddle um hay
McPherson went to the wild hog's den
Ho row hiddle um hay
McPherson went to the wild hog's den
He saw the bones of a thousand men.
Cut him down, kill him now, catch him if you can.



McPherson took out a mighty horn
Hiddle um down, hiddle um hay
McPherson took out a mighty horn
Ho row hiddle um hay
McPherson blew that mighty horn
The boar did crash through ash and thorn
Cut him down, kill him now, catch him if you can.

McPherson took out his trusty knife
Hiddle um down, hiddle um hay
McPherson took out his trusty knife
Ho row hiddle um hay
McPherson took out his trusty knife
He swore he'd take the old boar's life
Cut him down, kill him now, catch him if you can.

They fought for many an hour that day
But which one's life was torn away?

There is a hog in the western wood.
There is a hog in the western wood.
There's still a hog in the western wood
He'll eat your bones, he'll drink your blood
Cut him down, kill him now, catch him if you can.


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