Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: dombonito
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM

I've just discovered this thread and I noticed my name cropping up in connection with The Enterprise. There might be a few people out there who remember the original resident group the North West Three, featuring myself, Maureen Seaton and Don Wallace. Sadly, Maureen passed away about 18 months ago but her daughter Nancy (Wallace) is doing rather well having been nominated for a BBC Radio 2 Folk award.If anyone's interested, I still have a pulse and quietly vegetating in Saffron Walden,

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Old Vermin
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM

Addlestone - Back Prince or Duke of something - heard Alex Campbell there about 1970. Never seen anyone get through at bottle of Scotch at a session before or since.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 09:21 PM

Anyone remember the folk club in Addlestone, Surrey back then? think it was at the Station pub...

(I seem to remember finding someone on Mudcat a couple of years ago who went there?)

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Gealt
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM

Passing Fulham Broadway last week I was pleased to see The King's Head has reverted, no longer Slug & Lettuce. The great Sean McGuire played in the tiny private bar here in the 60's, about the time he recorded a lp with Roger Sherlock & Josephine Keegan - At Their Best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn70NAPW4hg
Learning from the Maestro, a concert in 1997.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:01 AM

Last I heard Daisy was head of Early Woodwind at the former London College of Furniture now part of London Metropolitan University.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Davethedrum
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:58 AM

Herga Kitty
I think Steve Heap took over the rhythm section (!) after the band split following a professional offer.

I seem to remember playing Herga, but it was a long time ago!

Anybody with info can contact me on dlowrence @ me.com (remove the spaces!

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:53 PM

Daisy worked in the Folk Shop at C#H when I was there, though I think that was after Doug's time. He also played (or was getting into) uilleann pipes as I recall. I had to send out review copies of books for ED&S and he was interested in the Willie Clancy one. What's he up to these days, anybody know?

We also had Dave Tulloch working in the library at one stage. His wife made me a harp case which is still going strong (I'm sure I've just written this recently: was it in a private email, possibly?). And one of The Exiles (3 Horseshoes Hampstead, residents there at that time IIRC) taught guitar in the school I was working in, or perhaps I inherited his students, can't quite recall. I had a little after-school class of them. His wife was a teacher there too.

Hi Dave The Drum, thanks for posting -

I never knew Steve Heap played in the NCACB: he was organising rather than gigging by the time I knew him. The Folk Shop used to let us play the records, and I listened to The Valley Folk LP a lot, which he was in. Gotta stop rambling down memory lane and catch some zzz's... it's after midnight... my brain cell is getting weary as you can no doubt tell from this...

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:54 PM

Blimey, Davethedrum - IIRC, Steve Heap was also a drummer with the North Circular Accidental Ceilidh Band.

Kevin Sheils, who posted on this thread earlier, might be able to give you news of his brother, and former caller with the band, Gerry. And also of Dave Buttercup Robinson and Dave Daisy Armitage.

Kitty

Subject: Paul Simon in Irish Folkclubs in 1964 or 1965
From: GUEST,Rob
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 02:56 PM

I heard that he possibly stayed around Drumcondra. Anyone any knowledge of gigs then.

All information is very much appreciated.

Rob Ouudshoorn, The Netherland

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Paul Simon with The Thinkers
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 02:53 PM

Hello, who were The Thinkers? Paul Simon performed with them on:
19640626 London, Heath Street, UK, The Three Horseshoes, Tinkers Club.
•         Billed as 'Paul Simon and The Tinkers' and 'One of America's best folksong writers and recording artists'
(MelodyMaker June 27th, 1964)

(see my website www.bookends.nl)

All information is very much appreciated.

Rob Oudshoorn, The Netherlands

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Davethedrum
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:05 PM

Hi David Lowrence here I was the drummer with the North Circular Accidental Band 1970-73. Elaine, my wife came across this thread after googling the band. It is so nostalgic.

I am posting some reminiscences of the bad, with pictures on my website, and will link it when complete. Does anyone remember the Putney Rowing Club Ceilidhs? Also any links to Doug Sherriff's family - I have some pictures they might like.

Any news of Ray Twomey?, Jerry Shiels? or David "Buttercup" Robinson?

I remeber you Bonnie!

I also remember the re-opening of Dingles - Herga - The Enterprise (sang there before I moved to London) - The Engineer and CSH.

Wow - emotional overload!

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:04 PM

The Witch's Cauldron was in Belsize Village and The Hole in The Ground in Winchester Road. The Tinkers were residents at the Three Horseshoes in Hampstead Village, I think after the Three City Four gave it up.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,jacobs ladder
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:37 AM

I have just read through this thread with great nostalgia while researching a book I am writing. I had completely forgotten about the Witches Cauldron, which was between Belsize Park and Swiss Cottage. Thre was an awesome blues harmonica player who hung out there whose name escapes me now. A gang of us also used to frequent a folk club which no-one else seems to have mentioned which was underneath Schneider's Falafel House behind what is now Swiss cottage Lbrary - early and mid sixties - called the Hole in the Ground. I think Jo Ann Kelly was resident singer there, and that Paul Simon sang there on his Outward Bound tour. We also used to be in the audience regularly at the Troub' when Redd and Martin were hosts and Noel Murphy, Johhny Silvo and the Strawbs et al were frequent guests - there was also an awesome Anglo Irish band called The Tinkers if memeory serves me well. I saw Noel down here in devon recently - plus ca change ...

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jan 10 - 04:43 PM

And this , is what I'm up to now Joanne.
Nice to meet up with you again too. It's been a while :)
JM

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 10 - 04:21 PM

Does anyone remember going to a folk club called the Quaggy Folk Club which was around Manor Park in Lee/Lewisham.

Theresa

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: balladeer
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 11:16 PM

Jock, I don't really remember the room, but I'm pretty sure I was there, and I have a strong feeling that I know you. I'm glad to meet you again.

I sent these links earlier in the thread, but in case you missed them, here they are again, just to show you who I became.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyX3NhDoWN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-TRnlAkjM


Ed, thank you for the clarification re Anth. It's a very, very sad story.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 07:16 PM

Joanne, apparently Anthea died of a stroke/brain haemorrhage at only 57 at her home in Suffolk.

I met her a few times when she was on the door at the Merlins Cave in Margary St, along with Heather Wood - this was 1973/4. She was a great person. I didn't know then that Anthea knew EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING, but didn't make a big deal of it! Obviously now I wish I had had more sensible conversations with her rather than drinking too much Ben Truman or Courage or whatever foul brew it was. But such is life....

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,boring geust jim
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:18 PM

ps lesely duncan sing children sing tom paxton gave me a cigarett in the players tent in i dont remember were i didnt smoke then put it over my ear and went out in the rain to listen to phill ochs didnt hear a lot was kissing girl next seat it was nice

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,guest jim
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 05:57 PM

well here we ara again up and down the northern line was it the three horseshoes or the enterprise where paul simon sang as geaust in the middel on sundays 63 or 64 yes im 14 or 15 then songs as much as singers touched me then al stewert at marcee wardour street eyes of aouchits never sead i coud spell roy harper mgoonanans blues down the cousins j frank all songs le ducee fairport replacing incredible string band potters bar folk club remember because of the crucificion phill ochs the words being sung in front of whoever sung went up to read them before sandy d went to a club called hole in the wall dont remember were yes ron geeson and jeff nuttall who was my teacher at school darral adams banjo player lots of americans im 15 alex cambell three bulls whetstone childrens disaster meg the cousins
wanted to write the songs that touched me supose there were to many that i dont remember

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 10:49 AM

Yes Joanne we have met. I ran a folk club at The Coach and Horse, Kew Green in the mid 60's, it may have been there.

John aka Jock in those days.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Flush
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 05:14 PM

Joanne
send me your contact details and I will send you some contact
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 03:27 PM

Balladeer/ Joanne - you could try a PM to Moorley Man or Tyke....

Kitty

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: balladeer
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 02:26 PM

I was born in Yorkshire (Ilkla Moor), emigrated to Canada in 1948, returned to Britain in 64 to sing at clubs and re-kindle family relationships. Now that I'm performing again, I'm wondering if anyone can advise me of clubs I might contact in Yorkshire who are still hiring performers? I've no idea how to proceed.
Joanne

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,flush
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM

John from Elsie's band
Thanks for that we used ~Joes recording company SFA for our first album in 1974 keep seeing him about up here in Yorkshire, we played the Shed 3 or 4 times
Iain

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:41 AM

Flush,
       Your memory serves you well. Joe was the presenter at the Tram Shed, Woolwich. I remember standing in for him on an occasion since I lived on Shooters Hill at the time, just five minutes drive away.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: balladeer
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 10:11 PM

Thank you for posting the link to Anthea's obituary, Ed. I was one of Anthea's early "waifs and strays", one of the first to parlay meeting her at the Troubadour into sleeping on her floor for a while. I'm sorry she's gone. I hadn't thought of her for many years, but seeing her name higher up in this thread brought everything back, and I found reading her death notice very moving. I had no idea she'd been so successful. She deserved it. R.I.P. to a truly original thinker. Does anyone know what actually killed her?

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 06:24 PM

Balladeer, sadly Anthea passed away over 10 years ago.

See http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/obituary-anthea-joseph-1137426.html

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: balladeer
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 06:02 PM

I've just read through this thread from top to bottom, and I confess I find it a bit sad. For one thing, my dear friends Paul MacNeil, Redd Sullivan, Alex Campbell, Martin Winsor, and Rick Fielding are all gone. For another, though I played many clubs in England and Scotland in 1964 and 65, the only ones I remember by name are The Troubadour, The Enterprise, The Roundhouse - and The Student Prince, Curly Goss' venue in Soho before his New Zealand days. I do remember a lovely evening at St. Pancras Town Hall, where I shared a bill with Paul MacNeil and Tom Paxton, and I could never forget the Sheffield Teacher Training College. I played there often and made lots of friends. There was a nice room in Watford, and an atmospheric pub in St. Alban's - with names I thought I would remember forever ....

Does anyone know where Anthea Joseph is now?

Anyway, I raised three boys and then returned to performing in 2001, the year this thread began. Soon after the release of my first CD, I stopped calling myself Joanne Hindley-Smith, preferring to use my married name of Crabtree. In 2006, I teamed up with ace picker Paul Mills and we've been raising Cain as Crabtree&Mills ever since.

Here is our latest project, videos of two songs I wrote in 2009. (Did I mention I'm married to an American?)

I'd be grateful if someone would blue clickify them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyX3NhDoWN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-TRnlAkjM

Jock, might we have met?

Joanne (Hindley-Smith) Crabtree

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:14 PM

Gosh, Stan Arnold, he had this daft strapline, something like 'Own hair, own teeth'
Sorry flush, I just don't remember it as a folk venue. I also thought it was of a later date than the 60's or 70's, could be old age leading me astray though.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,flush
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 04:32 PM

I played there in the 70's as one of the Crofters with Stan Arnold and Richard Digance I think Joe Stead had something to do with it

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 03:57 PM

I remember it, but not for folk music.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,flush
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 03:37 PM

Does anyone remember the tram shed in woolich?

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:46 PM

I've started another thread about the decision by Young's brewery to keep the Half Moon Putney as a live music venue -ok, it wasn't a folk club but there were people performing folk music!

Kitty

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:38 AM

This looks like her now.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:32 AM

Oh and yes, I do remember Joanne Hindley-Smith.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 07:38 AM

Le Cheile site clicky

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: magb
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 06:54 AM

Re Le Cheile .....new website www.lecheile.eu shows couple of gigs - more in pipeline. cd distribution nearly finalised, and you can email to purchase via website.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: magb
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:50 PM

The wonderful Raymond Roland(box) & PJ Crotty(flute) are very sadly no longer with us. They are very ably replaced in the reformed Le Cheile by Andy Martyn & Paul Gallagher. 4 original members remain, who all now sing as well as play(the 1974 line-up was purely instrumental, though the 77 album featured Tom Madden on vocals). anyway, the other four are....Liam Farrell (banjo) John Roe (piano) Kevin Boyle (guitar/banjo) & Danny Meehan(fiddle....and extraordinary vocals). I can't do the blue clicky thing Bonnie, but do visit the myspace in my last message for a listen.
I have just written to Kev to ask where the CD is available/where they are playing etc. so more later.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:26 PM

Was Danny Meehan in Le Cheile? Or am I getting something mixed up? I'd be glad to know the lineup too -

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Brian Sweeny
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:24 PM

Magb,thank you for your information re Le Cheile.I've rung Celtic Note here in Dublin,but they don't have it in stock.Where are they playing?
What's the lineup?Thanks again.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: magb
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 10:57 AM

Le Cheile (well,the majority of) has reformed, Brian, following release of the 70s albums on CD. First album in over 30 years is just out! Take a step back ......http://www.myspace.com/thelecheile

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: balladeer
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 08:53 PM

Does anyone here remember Joanne Hindley-Smith, who regularly played many clubs up and down the island while living in London from June 1964 to December 1965? She was a solo act from Canada and guested regularly at the Troubadour, singing plaintive ballads and trading wise cracks with the immortal Redd Sullivan.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Brian Sweeny
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:46 AM

Senior moment!My email of 7/1--Peggy Seeger was ,of course,Ewan MacColl's wife,not June Seeger as I said.Peggy now lives in the US.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:30 PM

Gosh Theo Johnson, now you're back in my era. Theo was a draughtsman, and he worked for Greenwood Airvac in St Margaret's near Twickenham. he ran a club called The Barge at kingston upon Thames, and he also did a stint at Binjies.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,Brian Sweeny
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:23 PM

So good to look back to 1960's Fulham Broadway,Magb.Even though I'm Irish the White Hart was my entree into Irish tradional music.Sunday mornings-Raymond Roland,Roger Sherlock,Liam Farrell,Paddy Taylor(occasionally).Paul Brady was often part of the crowd but I never heard him sing there.Likewise,I believe,Christy Moore.
The White Hart musicians released an lp in the 70s.They called themselves Le Ceile.
Then we had the Kings Head -John Mannion,John Bowe and, on fiddle,John O'Shea who was, perhaps surprisingly,a policeman!.
As we're discussing Fulham,does anyone remember the name or pub venue of a folk club in Lillie Road?.Was Theo Johnston involved with it?
Yes,Magb,I remember The Nags Head in York.Wasn't it Sunday nights?

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,magb
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 06:58 AM

Yes, Bonnie, you were one of our wonderful guests! I think it was before I gave up being a 'margaret'. Last I heard, Brendan was fine, and still teaching away in Hammersmith Irish Centre. Catch you soon on fb.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 09:43 PM

I played in the Riverside Foyer a few times, though I can't remember the specific circumstances, whether it was Maggie's sesh or not. But I do remember Maggie well! Also the mighty Brendan Mulkere - anybody know how he's doing these days? He used to live not far from the above-mentioned Engineer.

In fact, that's where I first met him: not in the club, but downstairs in the main pub. I was walking through with my harp, and this enthusiastic madman stopped me and wouldn't let me out the door until I played him something. So I sat down on the floor and gave him a blast of some Irish tune or other, and we were firm friends ever after. A gas guy.

I also played my first and only game of darts in the Engineer, Under The Influence. Don't ask.

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: GUEST,magb
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 09:06 PM

Fascinating stuff. I spent most of the late 60s/70s in Fulham Broadway's(best irish trad scene ever - but I may be a little biased!) White Hart/King's Head/Hibernian Club, with very occasional forays to folky venues. Monday was Half Moon Putney folk night. I remember the Nag's Head Folk Club on York Road Battersea (not only adjacent to glucose & candle factories, but Gordon's gin too. such a fragrant area to grow up in!)) - only went a few times..think I saw Jeremy Taylor there. Jonah (john jones) was MC, and Jug Band & Tony O'Leary in support. Also went to Fighting Cocks in Kingston, run by (now) friend Sue Houston(Knevett then)..this was my first experience of a really strong trad English singing club.
The brothers & I ran a saturday lunchtime session at Riverside Studios foyer, approx.'76-'79. Not a folk club, but we were resident band and always had a guest performer. We had a great run there with so many wonderful guests. Does anyone remember this?
Maggie Boyle

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 02:53 PM

Was it an echo?

Subject: RE: Folk Clubs London 1960s & 70s
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 01:30 PM

In fact, the Yacoubs were so good I said it twice.