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Subject: Stolen Guitar.Whitby Fest From: White Dove Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:01 AM Raggytash suggested that I post this thread.....you never know!!! With soo many friends here it could be spotted!! Although this is quite a long shot as my 'Baby Taylor'does not have any distinguishing marks. It was teasured and is still in mint condition...as is the hard case. The guitar is a mahogany 3/4 size drednaught, the case is black and has the words'Baby Taylor' indented on the top. At the time it was stolen from the Tap and Spile pub last friday at approx 11.15pm, it had a blue stretch carrying belt attatched to the handle. One significant difference was that the Chubb capo...left in the case pocket had black sticky tape on the metal cross piece. Not much to go on I know but if you spot the capo and the guitar together then you could be reasonably suspicious :-) pls I would be very grateful if Mudcatters would keep a look out for me. Roz |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Skipjack K8 Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM I take it that is Hull, UK, Roz. One place to scour are the free ads papers for Hull. It is said that over a quarter of the ads are stolen property being fenced. If you spot it, approach the police before the vendor. Also, keep an eye on the music shops in town, and also the junk shops. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:14 AM Thanx for the advice Skipjack . It was the Tap and Spile in Whitby. I added Whitby Fest to the subject space as an afterthought.....sorry it is not very clear. Roz |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Ralphie Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:21 AM Roz Good Luck....My worst nightmare is losing an instrument. Skipjacks advice is very sound.....If you see any ads for your guitar...head straight to the boys in blue Fingers crossed Best Wishes Ralphie |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:25 AM Dang! Is there a way to mark guitars without detracting from their value??? May it sing badly for the miscreant, thrusting off the unknown fingers from off its frets!! And find its way home! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Greycap Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:25 AM Keeping an eye open in Harrogate for you Best of luck |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: sophocleese Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:15 PM Can't offer anything but sympathy from Orillia, but you've got that wholeheartedly. Good Luck and I hope you manage to find it again. There was a thread a couple of years ago about putting a label on the inside of your guitar to mark it as your property. I'll see if I can hunt that up for those who are worried about their own instruments. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: sophocleese Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:30 PM If I do this right here is a link to the Frets site about labelling your guitar inobtrusively and effectively. |
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Subject: Stolen Guitar From: Clinton Hammond Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:47 PM Damn good advice, that link above! And always always always, keep the reciept from purchase and write the guitars serial number on the back of it... Good luck eh!! |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:59 PM Who was it that said the best deterrent to crime is not to own anything that someone else would want? Sorry, that probably doesn't help you much - no more than this quote from one of your revered countrymen: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -- Winston Churchill Will keep an eye peeled, in the unlikely event your guitar makes the trek across the big pond. Hoping you get your guitar back. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Willie-O Date: 30 Aug 01 - 02:02 PM Man, there are some low lifes out there. And instrument thieves are them. The scumbag will get maybe $50 (I don't know, thirty pounds?) fencing such an item--while causing untold heartache to the rightful owner. I'm sure you'd pay more than that to get it back safely. Years ago a friend's apartment was broken into. The burglar ignored the 1939 D18, and took the TV. People with no concept of true value...(or in that case, of market value either). While idly trolling for info on prewar Martin D45's last night, I came upon this anecdote. A legendary guitar repair expert named Don Teets, in Nashville I think, owned the only sunburst-top pre-war D45 ever made. A lot of people knew he had this priceless guitar as he was a well-known guy in the musical community. He got to thinking about the probable value of this guitar, and how many people knew where it was. He was living with his elderly parents, and he just didn't like the idea that they might come to harm if someone came to steal the D45. So he sold the guitar. Somebody with a rock-solid grasp of real values. (I think.) Hope you get your Taylor back.
Willie-O
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 30 Aug 01 - 02:09 PM Will keep an eye open in local press and yellows which cover large parts of West Yorkshire. Hope every other catter will do the same. Cheers R |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: DougR Date: 30 Aug 01 - 02:12 PM White Dove: I'm sorry for your loss. If you do recover it, will you let us know please? I sure hope you do. DougR |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Kim C Date: 30 Aug 01 - 02:24 PM Good luck! I may try that labeling trick on my violin. In any case, I have cast a spell on it so that it will not play for anyone who should happen to steal it. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 30 Aug 01 - 02:24 PM It will help if everyone could check their local and yellow press together with their local instrument shops, especially Leeds, MIddlesborough areas. This is a specialist instrument and must be one of only a few in the country. White Dove check with the shop you bought it from, guitars of this nature often have a serial number and they may have a record of the sale to you. Good Luck Raggy |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:14 PM Hey all you guys! Thankyou for all the support you have offered me here.
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I am fairly new to Mudcat, but it is becoming quite clear to me why I am sooo hooked already.
I have been back in touch with the Whitby police, but sadly no joy. I have also contacted the store....I kept my receipt, and I do have a cereal number too if anyone comes across a suss Taylor.
I checked out the Fret site Sophocleese....and will follow these instructions to the letter...perhaps we could have a 'Kingston night workshop' on this in Hull and get all our instruments done with this method. I will see what I can do when I get my replacement guitar,I just can't be without one! I am hoping my house contents insurance will cover it. Meanwhile I will be scanning the ads too...it would be brilliant if it could be traced.
To Nick and all you others with kind words....thankyou so much.
Megahugs Roz
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:36 PM Guitar thieves!! May their fingers turn to silly-putty and send agonizing pain to the most sensitive parts of their bodies. And may they be assaulted by an instantaneous and uncotrollable attack of diarrhea--that never, ever, quits!! The reason horse thieves in the Old West were dealt with so harshly is that when someone stole a man's horse, they may very well have stolen his source of livelihood as well. Stealing a guitar often amounts to the same thing. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Mrs.Duck Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:51 PM Also worth ringing round cash convertors in the surrounding areas. When Geoff's banjo was stolen in Bradford we found it the next day at a second hand music shop. The bloke in the shop was aware that it was stolen but reckoned if he bought it for £20 we had a better chance of getting it back than if he had rung the police and frightened the thieves off. He then spent all day trying to trace the owner by ringing all the pubs clubs etc and asking if they knew anyone who had a banjo with a duck on it!! Of course Geoff's banjo is very distinctive but not all the second hand places are bent so keep hoping. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Clinton Hammond Date: 30 Aug 01 - 05:30 PM Bastards!!! A low form of life indeed... Like the a$$holes who paint windows shut! I'd cut a hand off 'em!!! |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: SINSULL Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:05 PM When my jewelry was stolen, including mother's and grandmothers' wedding rings, I pitied the thief and the person who wore anything made from the melted gold. All my sorrow and anger reside it. It helped me let go. I hope the guitar comes home again. It would be a pity for it to suffer by never being played honestly again. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Biskit Date: 31 Aug 01 - 01:11 AM I've lost a guitar or two over the years to theives. I recovered one and I still miss the other one.Good luck dear........AND A POX ON THE THIEVES DAMNIT!!!!! ~Biskit~ |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Ned Ludd Date: 31 Aug 01 - 04:28 AM I'll help Raggy keep an eye out in west yorks.Best of luck. Have you thought about getting in touch with Hobgoblin and Music room etc. as it may be offered at a festival. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Mark Clark Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:58 AM I'm sure sorry to hear about the theft. Not much chance of it showing up around my part of the world but I'll keep an eye out. The only way I've found to hang on to an instrument is to hang on to the instrument, literally. I never set my guitar down and walk even a few feet from it. It's always in my hand. If I must set it down for some reason, I put one foot on the case while I take care of whatever caused me to put it down. It's rare that I even let anyone else play it while I sit next to them. Once when I left my case open backstage during a gig, someone found my stash of carefully selected genuine tortise shell picks. I haven't used a tortise shell pick since though I sure wish I had some. I had a student make off with a guitar I really loved. He didn't have a guitar so I let him use an old beat up Gibson LG-1 of mine. He took it somewhere public and claims it was stolen from him. Nothing I could do to recover the loss; he didn't have any money and it wasn't worth enough for an insurance claim. It had plenty of sentimental value though. Sleepy John Estes used to borrow it to play sometimes when he'd break a string and Big Joe Williams and Yank Rachel had both played it some. A close friend and bandmate of mine had an original five-string Bacon & Day Silver Bell Symphonie banjo stolen. A valueable collectors item that was also his main playing banjo. It was all gold plated, still had the leg lever mute, "mother-of-toilet-seat" fingerboard and resonator back with hand carved detail and dye worked into the carvings, rhinestones set in the border of the headstock... It's probably in some Japaneese collection by now but if you ever see such a banjo, drop me a line and I'll let my friend know. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: English Jon Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:17 AM Can't believe anyone would nick it from the Tap and Spile. Amazed that no other musicians noticed. Inform Music room, Hobgoblin etc. Good luck with it. Will keep eyes peeled. EJ |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 01 - 10:52 AM I have to agree with English Jon....its pretty amazing that it went from the T & S. It CAN'T, I'm sure, have been a Folkie...that kind of thing just DOESNT seem to happen. Roz, I'll pass the word up to the Whitby locals I know... did you report it to the Police up there (sorry, can't remember if you said that already)
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST, Paul from Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:00 AM Ooops.....sorry! That last post was from ME, Roz... |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:06 AM Must have been a yachtie? Damn bad luck, any way. Maybe Blofeld has tired of his Rick Fielding Collection of stolen instruments and is opening a new wing at his secret hideout. Pebbles didn't take it to bury I hope? RtS (one advantage of playing kazoo, no-one wants 'em, no value either) |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,AL O'DONNELL DUBLIN Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:10 AM Hard hard luck indeed. There are a number of professional slithereens who specialise in this area of theft. I remember, a couple of years back, at a festival in Amsterdam, the organisers were so concerned about this, that all musicians checked their instruments into a compound, retrieved them to perform, and checked them back in afterwards. There had obviously been a series of previous robberies. It is always vital to have someone watch your stuff, even if you just go to the bar for a pint. At least one hopeful point is that email communication can alert people to watch out for your instrument. We'll all do just that, and maybe get it back for you. Good Luck, Al. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: MC Fat Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:16 AM On a slightly serious note Roz perhaps a phone call to Malcolm (or maybe somebody better and with better communication skills) from the Festival Committee might help. I recall someone telling me that a few years ago there was a spate of instrument thefts at Whitby and always when one person seemed to be around. They couldn't prove it was him but...? Perhaps he's back. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:16 AM I hope you get your guitar back, it could be worth cantacting Pools Corner and similar shops, I hope it turns up.john |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: John J Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:20 AM A very bad do indeed, made far worse with it happening at Whitby Festival. It goes without saying that I hope you get it back and that the dirty low life who nicked it catches some nasty incurable disease. John |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 31 Aug 01 - 07:21 PM Just a refresher to keep this thread going, Roz, did you report it to the police, if you are going to claim on an insurance policy you need a crime number |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: katlaughing Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:28 PM Roz, do you have a picture of it? If so, I'd be happy to put it up on the website of photos I have, including some Mudcatters, so that you could email people and give them an exact idea of what to look for. You could also refer list serves and pub owners, etc. to it. Be sure to check www.ebay.com, too,as they do handle sales from the UK, alhtough anyone who'd put it up there would be really blatant or stupid. Good luck...if Pebbles didn't bury it, maybe she could catch the scent and go from there?*smile* kat
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: mike putt Date: 01 Sep 01 - 03:30 AM Hearing about this kind of thing happening totally p****s me off, as has already been said on this thread that instrument will be sold on for a pittance because the b******s who stole it will have no idea of its value and it isnt even the monetary value but all of us who play any kind of an instrument develop almost (In my case definately ) a love affair with it,and for some little scrote to destroy this.Bring back hanging I say White Dove you have my sympathy and I hope it works out ok |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Steve In Scotland Date: 01 Sep 01 - 06:49 AM White Dove I read this in the Whitby 2001 thread and was gutted. How can anyone steal something so beautiful and personal. Not a lot of hope it turning up here but i will keep an eye out. What about publishing the serial no or by PMs to those who have a good chace of seeing it. Best of luck. Such a nice guitar too. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Lanfranc Date: 01 Sep 01 - 09:27 AM To experience a robbery is to feel violated as well as deprived. There aren't too many Baby Taylors in the UK, so it should be easy to spot. Although I remember Diz Disley having a Macafferi stolen many years ago - a rare and distinctive instrument - and as far as I know he never got it back. Some scumbag has probably still got it in his attic. If it was insured, I have a Baby which I could part with if you want a replacement. It's a bit small for an ogre like me! (It was in Turkey with me on holiday at the time of Whitby, in case anyone was wondering!) PM me if interested. Tough luck, Roz, hope yours turns up. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 01 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM Lanfranc.......woooow! Yes my 'baby' is insured and yes I am interested. Let me know in private mess how to contact you please. I have been making all kind of enquiries to find mine tho.....it seems that somone was seen taking my guitar from the pub. Apparently one of three youths from Middlesborough. ..appologies if this is only a rumour. So if any mudcatters are passing a second hand store up there selling guitars I would appreciate it if you could take a peek. One new development is I am told that the company that made the Baby Taylor cases has stopped making them and that a year ago the soft backpack case was introduced over here in the UK. This means that the number of Taylors in hard cases in the UK could be significantly fewer than expected! As I mentioned before, the case is very easily identified as a Taylor as it has the large words BABY TAYLOR indented into the neck of the case. The model number is 301-M, serial number for my guitar is 990910309-1. The first 2 digits= 1999, 2nd two 09=September, 3rd pair=10th day, and 09= the 9th guitar to be produced on that day. (( My baby was the 9th to be born on the 9th of the 10th in 1999 ) I learned all this from the Taylor website....also the 300 series were 25th aniversary models. I am not quite sure if this included mine, but there is very little info about the baby taylors that have a mahogany top as mine did. Does this make it fairly rare? I don't know. It would be useful to know ...would it then be easier to spot. All the others I have seen have been in a lighter wood. I know I sound like I am grasping at straws here....gawddddd RATS!!!!!!! To everyone else who has posted here...thankyou, truly :- &*)))****{{{{{{{Skipjack K8 30-Aug-01 11:08 AM Ralphie 30-Aug-01 11:21 AM WYSIWYG 30-Aug-01 11:25 AM Greycap 30-Aug-01 11:25 AM sophocleese 30-Aug-01 12:15 PMClintonHammond 30-Aug-01 12:47 PM GUEST 30-Aug-01 12:59 PM Willie-O 30-Aug-01 02:02 PM GUEST,Raggytash 30-Aug-01 02:09 PM DougR 30-Aug-01 02:12 PM Kim C 30-Aug-01 02:24 PM Don Firth 30-Aug-01 03:36 PM Mrs.Duck 30-Aug-01 03:51 PM SINSULL 30-Aug-01 08:05 PM Biskit 31-Aug-01 01:11 AM Ned Ludd 31-Aug-01 04:28 AM Mark Clark 31-Aug-01 08:58 AM English Jon 31-Aug-01 09:17 AM GUEST 31-Aug-01 10:52 AM GUEST, Paul from Hull 31-Aug-01 11:00 AM GUEST,Roger the skiffler 31-Aug-01 11:06 AM GUEST,AL O'DONNELL DUBLIN 31-Aug-01 11:10 AM MC Fat 31-Aug-01 11:16 AM John J 31-Aug-01 11:20 AM GUEST 31-Aug-01 03:46 PM katlaughing 31-Aug-01 11:28 PM mike putt 01-Sep-01 03:30 AM Steve In Scotland 01-Sep-01 06:49 AM Lanfranc 01-Sep-01 09:27 AM }}}}}}}}}*****)))£$£&& I have bundled you altogether....giving you one BIG xxxxx**((((£$"HUG"%*%**)))xxxxx Kat..the only personal piccy I have is of my boyfriend playing it...unfortunately he may not appreciate this going on the net cos hmmmm he was not err...trust me..not a good idea! On a more serious note. The baby taylor features on the Tayor website. I could do a link to this but I have not yet learned how to add blue clickies. Nick..I have the crime number..thanx buddy BTW..I have not told Russ yet..eek Jim..I'll mention it to Malcolm. I think he would appreciate knowing okay :-) Ned Ludd..Hobgoblin and Music room ..good idea..do they have web/e-mail address...will have a look thanx :-) Mrs Duck..second hand Music Stores...where are they up nth? I asked the Whitby PC..I think he must have been busy. His reponse was negative...someone in the dept checks out the local stores.in his experience not a hope in Hell! Maybe I will try the middlesborough constabulary ...Mudcat..Thankyou
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 01 - 02:49 PM White Dove, glad to hear the culprits were spotted, at least. I hope that helps in the recovery. Going by what you described, here is a link to the mahagony top Baby Taylors. I am sure most already know what it looks like.:-) Good luck! kat |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: weepiper Date: 01 Sep 01 - 03:55 PM White Dove, that sucks. Thought I might cheer you up with an experience my dad had. In the seventies his car was stolen - bad enough, but his Fylde guitar and a mandolin were inside! Heartbroken, never expected to see them again, but within a day or two the police called to say that the instruments had been found sitting by the side of a road. The thief clearly had no idea what he had so just dumped them and they were found before coming to any harm. The same guitar later survived falling from a height onto a table, bouncing off and landing on a concrete sculpture (which it smashed) and thence to the floor. There's one small dent in the wood to show for this and it was otherwise unscathed. Only seven lives left now! :) |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 01 Sep 01 - 06:28 PM Thanx Weepiper.... I hope mine survives its first encounter....I have called the police several times! Dove |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:48 AM Roz we need to keep this thread going for a long time me thinks. The scumbag who stole your baby may just realise he has a real hot potato, however it is unlikely that he knows that a sizable proportion of the folk community is looking out for him. Do you know of any catters in Middlesborough, if that is where it was heading, who could patrol the music and 2nd hand shops over the next 6 months or so. I,ve got some music mates in Bradford checking the shops there this week and I will continue to check round here. One shop not mentioned was the Music Room at Cleckheaton who buy and sell such instruments, maybe worth a call. Raggy |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 08:04 AM Thats good advice Nick, The Music Room have a website. www.the-music-room.com There is a website where people can register their instruments as stolen, does anybody know what it is called? |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 02 Sep 01 - 10:33 AM Thanks Nick and john... have let Music Room know okay Your support here is really appreciated guys!!! Hugs Roz |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Biskit Date: 02 Sep 01 - 02:19 PM Wow! what a lovely guitar! thanks for the picture Kat! Jus' checkin' in to see if it was recovered yet. Blessin's, ~Biskit~ |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,chip2447 Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:21 AM My instruments are special to me, and there is not one of them that comes close to the quality of a TAYLOR. However, they are are dear to me and the thought of some idiot bastard stealing any one of them makes my blood boil. White Dove, may fortune smile upon you and you're baby come home... Chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: katlaughing Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:26 AM John in Hull, I don't know if this is the site you were thinking of, but it is the first one that came up on google for registreing stolen instruments: Looks like a good spot to list your baby at, Roz. Biskit, thanks, you're welcome. It is lovely, isn't it? ktat |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: White Dove Date: 03 Sep 01 - 02:44 AM Hi Kat...hi Chip...mmm lovely it is..somewhere!! Thanx for this website Kat...unfortunately I tried to enter details etc and the apppropriate page on this site would not open. Not sure why etc....it seemed a good service though. Hello John...hope you enjoyed the Tap and Nellies yesterday...good to see Bill too. one day I will pop over to Selby. Roz |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST Date: 03 Sep 01 - 08:52 PM ahhhhhhhh the pause that refreshes the thread |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: GUEST,baby taylor Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:48 PM I'm okay, just scared. DONT FORGET ME, if I can stay fresh in your minds then the chances of me being found are better. I want to come home. |
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Subject: RE: Stolen Guitar From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 04 Sep 01 - 04:33 PM Kat-I think that was the site I have seen before but it does not seemto be working now. White Dove-Yes I liked it at Nellies, I am enjoying your CD, go to The Jug if you get chance it is a good pub.john |
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